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Niro Phev

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  • #102
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Is this car big enough for 3 kids: age 9, 13, 15. Thanks.

    Yes.
    3 adults, not so much, but few cars can comfortably take 3 adults in the back anyway.

    Best thing to do is go to nearest Kia dealer and put the whole family into it!


  • #103
    Mike9832
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    All in all wrote: »
    Hi all, some great reading in the threads here.
    I am considering making the change to fully electric or phev. My work commute is 50 km each way and have access to a charger in public car park at work, however one day each week I travel approx 270-300 km. I haven’t researched charging spots on this route.

    The niro phev has caught my eye and I was looking at 6-12 month old ones in the U.K. for £21-22k, from the best I can look up online there would be relief of €2250 on the vrt? Does anyone know if this is correct, would I be eligible for any seai grants?.

    Optima is worth looking at too

    More powerful, bigger and a bit cheaper

    Guy working with me got a 1 year old all in for under 25k

    vrt was 1.4k

    He gets about 30-40km electric range

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  • #104
    G-spec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭G-spec


    So I took the plunge and ordered a Niro PHEV, hoping to take delivery next week. I've also applied for the home charger grant at the weekend. Am I right in thinking I need a type 2 charger? I want to future proof the charger install and get a 32A charger which I presume will be OK for the PHEV. We have an electric shower so need a charger with load sensing ability - has anyone got a Garro installed with the load sensing add on? The new Zappi seems quite expensive so would rather go for something else.


  • #105
    jontr
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭jontr


    So I'm thinking about buying Kia Niro PHEV, but have few questions for the owners:
    - I'm driving 90km per day (to and from work) - there's public charger at work, and usually there's at least 1 space free. I guess that means that I could do all my trip on EV (with petrol engine kicking in only occasionally) - am I correct?
    - what kind of charger comes with Niro PHEV? Does it come with the granny cable or do I need to install charger at home to be able to charge it?
    - what is the fuel consumption at the highway speeds in Hybrid mode? If I'm driving from Waterford to Dublin - how much more-less it would cost me if I drive within speed limits?
    - as there's no quick charge I imagine it's not nice to use public quick chargers and lock them from BEV owners. are there public chargers that are ok to use with PHEV?
    - what's the policy for parking in the cities with PHEV? Is the parking free as for BEVs or do PHEVs are treated differently?
    - how much is the service cost for Niro PHEV?
    - Kia warranty is 7 years, does it cover battery as well? are there limits at which battery will be replaced under warranty (like 70% within warranty for Leaf)?
    - do dealers tend to offer discounts if I go to them with cash?
    - did anyone traded-in their old car for Niro PHEV? If yes, what kind of discount did you get?
    Thanks for any help.


  • #106
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    jontr wrote: »
    So I'm thinking about buying Kia Niro PHEV, but have few questions for the owners:
    - I'm driving 90km per day (to and from work) - there's public charger at work, and usually there's at least 1 space free. I guess that means that I could do all my trip on EV (with petrol engine kicking in only occasionally) - am I correct?

    Just about and maybe not in winter and it really depends on the roads you are travelling and what speed you are driving.... if you cant get quite 100% EV driving it wont be far off... certainly 80%+
    jontr wrote: »
    - what kind of charger comes with Niro PHEV? Does it come with the granny cable or do I need to install charger at home to be able to charge it?

    It will definitely have the type 2-type 2 cable.
    They did come with a granny cable but I think some people have been saying that Kia have stopped supplying the granny cable now.

    You should get a home charge point regardless of what cable comes with the car.

    jontr wrote: »
    - what is the fuel consumption at the highway speeds in Hybrid mode? If I'm driving from Waterford to Dublin - how much more-less it would cost me if I drive within speed limits?

    I've driven a few and did extended test drives and have also done a Cork-Dublin-Cork in the one day in it with no charging in Dublin so leaving Cork on a full charge, drove at 125km/h (indicated), parked up in Dublin and drive home on an empty battery so all petrol driving on the way home.

    It did 4.9l/100km on the way up and 5.4l/100km on the way home.
    So, it is decent enough in hybrid mode even at full motorway speed.

    jontr wrote: »
    - as there's no quick charge I imagine it's not nice to use public quick chargers and lock them from BEV owners. are there public chargers that are ok to use with PHEV?

    The Niro PHEV can use the slow public AC chargers. Look at the eCars map... the green icons are the ones you can use.
    jontr wrote: »
    - what's the policy for parking in the cities with PHEV? Is the parking free as for BEVs or do PHEVs are treated differently?

    Each council makes their own rules/decisions on that. You'd have to ask your local one.
    jontr wrote: »
    - how much is the service cost for Niro PHEV?

    That will be a question for the sales man. Try to get some thrown in if you are buying new. Kia have a service plan that might be worth considering.
    jontr wrote: »
    - Kia warranty is 7 years, does it cover battery as well? are there limits at which battery will be replaced under warranty (like 70% within warranty for Leaf)?

    Yes, covers battery as well. I think 70% is the figure for the Niro PHEV as well.

    jontr wrote: »
    - do dealers tend to offer discounts if I go to them with cash?

    Yup, once I told them I was a cash buyer they knocked, I think, €1500 off the quote straight away. Its down to the dealer though whether they are willing to sacrifice some margin to gain a customer.

    jontr wrote: »
    - did anyone traded-in their old car for Niro PHEV? If yes, what kind of discount did you get?

    Not sure what use that question is really. Every dealer and every car you trade in will be different. If you have a trade-in you will get different price for that same car from all of them. You just have to ring around. Ideally sell your car privately and then email them all saying you are a cash buyer ready to put down a deposit.... that will peak their interest straight away.


  • #107
    unkel
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    KCross wrote: »
    It did 4.9l/100km on the way up and 5.4l/100km on the way home.

    So 5.4l/100km on petrol driven at the speed limit (not indicated, but real speed), on a trip that is mostly 120km/h speed limit

    That is very impressive. A similar diesel mid size cross over car wouldn't have done any better.

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  • #108
    jontr
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    KCross wrote: »
    They did come with a granny cable but I think some people have been saying that Kia have stopped supplying the granny cable now.

    You should get a home charge point regardless of what cable comes with the car.

    Yeah, I'm getting home charger, was thinking about granny cable when visiting friends or going for longer trips.
    Cork-Dublin-Cork
    It did 4.9l/100km on the way up and 5.4l/100km on the way home.

    That's actually very good, wasn't expect that to be honest. My Mondeo in diesel does same trip with 6l/100km
    The Niro PHEV can use the slow public AC chargers. Look at the eCars map... the green icons are the ones you can use.

    Thanks
    Not sure what use that question is really. Every dealer and every car you trade in will be different.

    It's just my missis car is starting to show its age and selling it might be difficult. Was thinking about some kind of scrappage deal like.

    Thanks for all the info.


  • #109
    jontr
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭jontr


    I need to vent off my frustration.

    Why does Niro PHEV lack of quick charging? Wouldn't it be great if it could be charged using quick charger in 10-15 minutes? That would make this car almost perfection. But no, at the fastest charge rate it will charge in 3 hours. Because.

    Unless there's some reason behind it that I don't get. The battery is like 1/4 of e-Niro, and e-Niro can charge up to 80% in 20 minutes or so?

    I'm pretty sure it's Excel-based decision. Some blokes in suits calculated that if there was a quick charge on PHEV, the e-Niro wouldn't sell as good or some other corpo-reasoning like that.


  • #110
    KCross
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    jontr wrote: »
    I need to vent off my frustration.

    Why does Niro PHEV lack of quick charging? Wouldn't it be great if it could be charged using quick charger in 10-15 minutes? That would make this car almost perfection. But no, at the fastest charge rate it will charge in 3 hours. Because.

    Unless there's some reason behind it that I don't get. The battery is like 1/4 of e-Niro, and e-Niro can charge up to 80% in 20 minutes or so?

    I'm pretty sure it's Excel-based decision. Some blokes in suits calculated that if there was a quick charge on PHEV, the e-Niro wouldn't sell as good or some other corpo-reasoning like that.

    Thats normal for PHEV's. Its not a Niro thing.
    They typically dont charge at high rates as they have small batteries (9kWh vs 64kWh). The majority only charge on AC, not DC(where higher rates are possible).


  • #111
    jontr
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭jontr


    I know, but still don't get it why. This is plain stupid design - unless there's some technicality behind that that prevents those batteries to be charged at higher rates.


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  • #112
    KCross
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    jontr wrote: »
    I know, but still don't get it why. This is plain stupid design - unless there's some technicality behind that that prevents those batteries to be charged at higher rates.

    Yes, thats it. The larger the battery the higher current it can take.

    The 64kWh Niro can take 70-80kW charge rate. If you tried to push that into a 9kWh battery it would probably melt!

    AC charging is also typically limited to 7kW and in PHEV's most of them are only half that.... the Niro PHEV is 3.6kW charge rate.

    Its normal and done to protect the battery and its lifespan.


  • #113
    unkel
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    Mitsubishi Outlander is the only PHEV that can "fast charge" iirc. It can charge at up to about 15kW on CHAdeMO DC fast charger. Which really is more like slow charging than fast charging imho.

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  • #114
    KCross
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    unkel wrote: »
    Mitsubishi Outlander is the only PHEV that can "fast charge" iirc. It can charge at up to about 15kW on CHAdeMO DC fast charger. Which really is more like slow charging than fast charging imho.

    I think thats the only one too at the moment, but Merc are adding 22kW DC to their upcoming PHEV's
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  • #115
    kanuseeme
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    BMW rex, more of a BEV than a phev,

    I find the ability to rapid charge handy, Sunday I pulled up to a rapid, 151 leaf at 88% drawing 5,5kw, I plugged in got to 81% in 21 minutes drawing nearly 18 kw, was down to 15 kw at the end.

    plugged in to 2 street chargers about 20 minutes each.

    Done around 110 kms and petrol usage was at 12 %

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  • #116
    unkel
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    kanuseeme wrote: »
    BMW rex, more of a BEV than a phev,

    No it isn't :p

    It has a petrol engine, a tail pipe and it produces emissions. Just like every other PHEV.

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  • #117
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    kanuseeme wrote: »
    BMW rex, more of a BEV than a phev,

    I find the ability to rapid charge handy, Sunday I pulled up to a rapid, 151 leaf at 88% drawing 5,5kw, I plugged in got to 81% in 21 minutes drawing nearly 18 kw, was down to 15 kw at the end.

    plugged in to 2 street chargers about 20 minutes each.

    Done around 110 kms and petrol usage was at 12 %

    Have you 22 or 33 Kwh ? I'm pretty sure mine would be pulling , according to the charger, about 35 Kw at 81%.


  • #118
    [Deleted User]
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    unkel wrote: »
    No it isn't :p

    It has a petrol engine, a tail pipe and it produces emissions. Just like every other PHEV.

    No, the i3 Rex is nothing like any other PHEV at all, there is no other PHEV in the world that can go as far as the 22 and 33 Kwh Rex on electric only, so emissions are substantially reduced compared to any other PHEV.

    I know you're taking the Mick but there are People out there whom may not realise this.

    + our electricity generation produces emissions so BEV doesn't get out that easy ! ;)


  • #119
    kanuseeme
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    Sorry for the confusion,

    I have a Mitsubishi outlander.

    I was just saying what the outlander charging rates were on a rapid d.c.

    I wanted to add that the i3 rex was also capable of rapid charging, of which I have no idea of engine size or charging ability.

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  • #120
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    I3 33 Kwh according to the charger pulls about 55-58 Kw max up to about 85% then it ramps down to about 25 Kw by around 95% at


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  • #121
    liamog
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    Here's a good link from Fastned showing the charging curve. The I3 will not charge above 50kW. But it does stay their until 85%.

    https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/204784718-Charging-with-a-BMW

    The reading on the side of the eCars charger is just energy is going in to the charger. Some people interpreted it as the car charger at a higher rate when its warmer, Instead it was just a charger using lots of energy keeping itself cool.


  • #122
    Mike9832
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    liamog wrote: »
    Here's a good link from Fastned showing the charging curve. The I3 will not charge above 50kW. But it does stay their until 85%.

    https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/204784718-Charging-with-a-BMW

    The reading on the side of the eCars charger is just energy is going in to the charger. Some people interpreted it as the car charger at a higher rate when its warmer, Instead it was just a charger using lots of energy keeping itself cool.

    50kW to 85% is very decent, didn't know it was that good

    Don't see why the hate on the i3 charge rate with 1.5c till 85%, not many can compete with that today

    Always say it, but a 33kWh rex 3 series would have been some car, BMW knew that I presume


  • #123
    Alanstrainor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    My dad sat in one of these yesterday and was very impressed. He's looking at buying something new, and had liked the Toyota CHR, but I reckon he prefers this. From reading through this thread it seems anyone who has one is getting on well. My dad's usage is generally low, lots of shorter trips and the odd long trip from Dublin to Limerick. He's not quite ready for fully electric just yet and this appeals.

    Any input from anyone who has owned one for a while would be great.


  • #124
    unkel
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    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    He's not quite ready for fully electric just yet

    That's the main reason many people buy PHEV, not so much a rational decision, more a feeling it's one step too far. Maybe fully electric next time.

    But if you look at their use of the car, it might very well be that fully electric is already perfectly suited. Would you explore that a bit more, Alan? Many benefits of going fully electric.

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  • #125
    Alanstrainor
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    unkel wrote: »
    That's the main reason many people buy PHEV, not so much a rational decision, more a feeling it's one step too far. Maybe fully electric next time.

    But if you look at their use of the car, it might very well be that fully electric is already perfectly suited. Would you explore that a bit more, Alan? Many benefits of going fully electric.

    So here's his logic. They're a two car household. One Yaris hybrid and potentially this Niro PHEV. The Yaris will be changed soon ish, and he wants to go full electric there. So the Phev will be their 'big' car for longer journeys.

    I think this makes sense for the most part. He has been clinging onto his E60 523i for a long time and it's dying a slow death, so really I think he's ready to take the plunge for a 2020 reg now. And budget wise the Niro Phev is top end, I'm not sure he can reach for the e-Niro.


  • #126
    unkel
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    Can't argue with any of that and most BEV are quite expensive at the moment too.

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  • #127
    KCross
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    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    My dad's usage is generally low, lots of shorter trips and the odd long trip from Dublin to Limerick.

    What do the "lots of shorter trips" add upto in the day?

    If he is regularly exceeding the range of a PHEV it might not be the right choice as they take 2hrs+ to charge up so topups during the day arent very practical if you need to go somewhere again quickly.


  • #128
    rolion
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    What's wrong with an Outlander PHEV ?
    A 2017 gx4hs will tick all boxes.
    Brought from UK,I'll say max €25k_ish on Irish plate.

    My L24 does small trips but horse work Outlander all the way.


  • #129
    unkel
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    rolion wrote: »
    What's wrong with an Outlander PHEV ?

    Nothing. But it is €40k new, which is well outside of Alanstrainor's dad's budget. And I'm getting the impression that he is looking for a new car, not a second hand one.

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  • #130
    Alanstrainor
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    KCross wrote: »
    What do the "lots of shorter trips" add upto in the day?

    If he is regularly exceeding the range of a PHEV it might not be the right choice as they take 2hrs+ to charge up so topups during the day arent very practical if you need to go somewhere again quickly.

    The Niro PHEV has a claimed range of over 50km and I would reckon he would do under that on a typical day. I'd actually guess considerably so. So I think the PHEV does actually fit nicely here.

    As for the Outlander, he just doesn't want something that big really.

    He did ask me to post up this question about the Niro. Does the heater work in electric mode? Or are you left cold on mornings this time of year!


  • #131
    alanowx
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    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    My dad sat in one of these yesterday and was very impressed. He's looking at buying something new, and had liked the Toyota CHR, but I reckon he prefers this. From reading through this thread it seems anyone who has one is getting on well. My dad's usage is generally low, lots of shorter trips and the odd long trip from Dublin to Limerick. He's not quite ready for fully electric just yet and this appeals.

    Any input from anyone who has owned one for a while would be great.

    Kia IRL added 1000e to latest facelift 2020 model that you now see in the showrooms in the lighter blue metallic shade. So all in the net cost is approx 33,600. Order by 18th Dec and you get 500e Supervalu shopping voucher.

    So getting expensive especially if you think of it as a 41K car pre grants but compares well against UKs price of 32,500 stg, they added 1,000 stg to their facelift. But a lot of car for the money. No test drives available here yet in this latest edition but I sat in a few myself in last 2 weeks getting trade-in prices and IMHO its a fine car if a PHEV is your car of choice.

    Thankfully they got rid of that foot "handbrake" so now has proper electronic parking brake with autohold. Other improvements include Lane follow assist in addition to LKA, ACC now with full stop and Go function, beautiful 10.25" touchscreen and lovely supervision cluster, bigger disk brakes to rear. Can't say for certain but I think the steering mounted paddle shifters also have a dual function, battery regen plus or minus in Drive mode or manual gearing up and down while in Sport mode.

    Nothing new with onboard charger still max 3.3kW and battery same as before 8.9kWh. I still see 2 charging cables in the boot in any car I’ve inspected. There was talk that they were no longer supplying the “grany cable”. Slight disappointment they did not go with full LED's all round this time.

    Will still be "chape to tax" with 29g/km under current NEDC 2 regime rising to I believe just 31g/km under full WLTP. I also read that the official NOx Emissions is 8-9mg/km so next years NOx charge will be of the order of just 40-45 euro. So no great dis-insentive there to move away from an ICE PHEV just yet. Would be a different story of course under Real Driving Emmissions (RDE) for Niro Phev,that figure is closer to 90 mg/km if or when we ever get around to a tax under that system.

    May not be your dads cup of tea but BTW a PHEV version of the new sporty Xceed crossover is expected here in the spring. The funky looking interior yellow trim pack is a great match for the exterior Quantom Yellow colour. - for the young at heart i'd say. I like the tasteful reserved style of the Niro, when combined with all the high tech make for a nicely packaged car which may well be my next motor. If only it was that bit cheaper, but its such a great seller for KIA that they did not feel the need to include it in 0% finance offers for 2020.


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  • #132
    KCross
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    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    The Niro PHEV has a claimed range of over 50km and I would reckon he would do under that on a typical day. I'd actually guess considerably so. So I think the PHEV does actually fit nicely here.

    As for the Outlander, he just doesn't want something that big really.

    He did ask me to post up this question about the Niro. Does the heater work in electric mode? Or are you left cold on mornings this time of year!

    Claimed range and actual are very different! :)

    40-50km is about right though depending on speed and conditions.

    One of the biggest downsides of this PHEV at least, is that the heating comes from the engine so it doesnt matter if you are only driving 10km's up the road on a frosty morning the engine will still fire up to heat the cabin.

    The only way to stop it is turn off climate control completely and use the heated seats and steering.... which are quite good but its disapointing that Kia didnt give the option of cabin pre-heating when plugged in.


  • #133
    daheff
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    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    The Niro PHEV has a claimed range of over 50km and I would reckon he would do under that on a typical day. I'd actually guess considerably so. So I think the PHEV does actually fit nicely here.

    As for the Outlander, he just doesn't want something that big really.

    He did ask me to post up this question about the Niro. Does the heater work in electric mode? Or are you left cold on mornings this time of year!

    I have one since Jan this year.

    I love it.

    I got the PHEV mainly as its in budget, range is ok for daily, but have back up of the petrol engine for longer journeys.

    In terms of range, roughly I'm getting about 50km for a full charge.

    The biggest downside i see is that if you have to use the fan (and i seem to need to quite a lot for demisting the windscreen in cold weather), that it uses battery on low, but any temperature setting >5C different to outside world temp needs the engine to run.

    when the PCP is up in 2 odd years I'd probably look at getting the full BEV (price dependent).


  • #134
    budhabob
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    unkel wrote: »
    Can't argue with any of that and most BEV are quite expensive at the moment too.

    This is my biggest stumbling block. I am fully convinced by BEV, and would love to change to one next year, but the cost is massive. We are a one car household, and even then its so high.

    we're currently on PCP, and will have to make a call early next year for June move. Maybe PHEV is a better option on a purely cost basis. The majority of our driving is Dublin, with Cork and Galway long runs once a month.

    I just did a little googling on Niro PHEV for reviews and didn't seem to get great reviews hence I jumped on here.


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    budhabob wrote: »
    This is my biggest stumbling block. I am fully convinced by BEV, and would love to change to one next year, but the cost is massive. We are a one car household, and even then its so high.

    we're currently on PCP, and will have to make a call early next year for June move. Maybe PHEV is a better option on a purely cost basis. The majority of our driving is Dublin, with Cork and Galway long runs once a month.

    I just did a little googling on Niro PHEV for reviews and didn't seem to get great reviews hence I jumped on here.

    My advice is wait for a 2nd hand Kona, keep the money, save it, you'll pay a lot on depreciation on a new car anyway, keep the money and buy a BEV, you won't regret it.

    Have you looked at a I3 Rex ? the 94 Ah ? great car to drive, 140-210 Kms Winter - Summer on BEV and then run on Petrol when you need it, it's got the longest battery range of any PHEV available. Can even get more range in Winter but I drive it hard most of the time commuting 142 Kms.

    Looks aside, test drive it, that sold it for me, I instantly loved it despite a few years criticising it, 2 years on and I still really love every minute driving it, it's a lot of fun, it's small but surprisingly roomy inside.

    What's the new price of the Niro PHEV ?


  • #136
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's the new price of the Niro PHEV ?

    It was about €31k if buying cash. Might have been a small price increase since I looked though.


  • #137
    alanowx
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭alanowx


    daheff wrote: »
    I have one since Jan this year.

    The biggest downside i see is that if you have to use the fan (and i seem to need to quite a lot for demisting the windscreen in cold weather), that it uses battery on low, but any temperature setting >5C different to outside world temp needs the engine to run.

    Thanks - Now that's a piece of info you'll only get from a real world user and not find in any manual.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's the new price of the Niro PHEV ?

    Anything from 33,600 to 33,750 after incentives. Have to haggle hard to get discounts.


  • #138
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    budhabob wrote: »
    The majority of our driving is Dublin, with Cork and Galway long runs once a month.

    If your daily driving is <50km it will do fine.

    The long runs will do about 5-5.5l/100km in petrol, which is quite good.

    Other than that its down to personal taste and whether you like the look/feel of it.
    budhabob wrote: »
    I just did a little googling on Niro PHEV for reviews and didn't seem to get great reviews hence I jumped on here.

    What were the complaints?


    From my test drives I'd have three....
    - No cabin pre-heating when plugged in
    - Cabin heating causes the engine to run even for short journeys.
    - It doesnt drive as smoothly or powerfully as the BEV version.

    Other than that its an excellent, practical car for a small family if thats the style of car you want.


  • #139
    alanowx
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭alanowx


    Just wondering in these chilly mornings would it be a better strategy anyway to deliberately let the car engine run, starting off in HEV for a mile or so just to get everything heated up and then perhaps potentially getting a better range later after switching back to EV?

    Had chats with many a dealer and they are asking crazy money for 191 and especially 192 demos being almost close to new prices. Usually being driven by staff themselves as there daily motors to and from work. Seem reluctant to part with them. Nearly now have to ring ahead just to be sure that the demo is there on the forecourt because some worker may have switched his day off has it at home. Happened to me after driving 80km to see the demo car.


  • #140
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    alanowx wrote: »
    Just wondering in these chilly mornings would it be a better strategy anyway to deliberately let the car engine run, starting off in HEV for a mile or so just to get everything heated up and then perhaps potentially getting a better range later after switching back to EV?

    Depends on the journey. If it for instance was just a quick school drop and back home... no.
    If it was a 50km commute to work then yes.

    alanowx wrote: »
    Had chats with many a dealer and they are asking crazy money for 191 and especially 192 demos being almost close to new prices. Usually being driven by staff themselves as there daily motors to and from work. Seem reluctant to part with them.

    Same here. It was the saleswomans daily driver. She had all sorts of stuff in the boot when I was taking it for a few days test drive! :)


  • #141
    alanowx
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭alanowx


    KCross wrote: »
    Depends on the journey. If it for instance was just a quick school drop and back home... no.
    If it was a 50km commute to work then yes.

    Same here. It was the saleswomans daily driver. She had all sorts of stuff in the boot when I was taking it for a few days test drive! :)

    Yeah on journey length, didn't think of that. Would defeat the purpose on short runs but no school runs here. I almost refuse to drive my petrol 1.0 unless I'm doing at least 5 miles. Old habits die hard.

    I'd say you'd find it hard to get one for a few days test drive these days.


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  • #142
    Alanstrainor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    My dad ended up putting in an order for one of these in the end. Trading in his old 523i. Hoping to collect in January. He went around to all the Kia dealers he could find and went with the best deal. He was happy enough in the end, well he will be when he gets it!


  • #143
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    My dad ended up putting in an order for one of these in the end. Trading in his old 523i. Hoping to collect in January. He went around to all the Kia dealers he could find and went with the best deal. He was happy enough in the end, well he will be when he gets it!

    What's the OTR price these days for the Niro PHEV?


  • #144
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    €33995 according to my local dealers price list, you might get one a bit cheaper if its ex demo,


  • #145
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    graememk wrote: »
    €33995 according to my local dealers price list, you might get one a bit cheaper if its ex demo,

    Price lists are negotiable though.... wanted to see if a discount was offered. When I asked and it was cash they knocked €1500 off without any haggling so I was wondering if things have changed since it was almost a year ago I asked.


  • #146
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    KCross wrote: »
    Price lists are negotiable though.... wanted to see if a discount was offered. When I asked and it was cash they knocked €1500 off without any haggling so I was wondering if things have changed since it was almost a year ago I asked.

    They can knock 1500 off by adding 1500 to the price in the first place.....


  • #147
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They can knock 1500 off by adding 1500 to the price in the first place.....

    Of course, its to cover trade-in's mainly and to give themselves wriggle room.

    I want to know what the "real" price of it is now, as there was a price increase I think.


  • #148
    dinevalesco
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭dinevalesco


    Quick query guys:

    My wife got a Kia Niro PHEV a few days back and is very happy with it.

    However, we were driving home last night and the EV range dropped from 44km to 33km in a second or two as we were driving - after about 5 minutes of previous driving.

    Any ideas why it would drop so suddenly? We were driving using the electric motor only.


  • #149
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dinevalesco wrote: »
    Quick query guys:

    My wife got a Kia Niro PHEV a few days back and is very happy with it.

    However, we were driving home last night and the EV range dropped from 44km to 33km in a second or two as we were driving - after about 5 minutes of previous driving.

    Any ideas why it would drop so suddenly? We were driving using the electric motor only.

    Just curious as to why ye got the PHEV vs the 400 Km EV version ?

    The range calculation is exactly that, a calculation, a prediction based on previous driving which will adjust as you drive further. Colder weather, more use of the heater, wet roads, wind will have a big impact.

    The PHEV only has 8.9 Kwh, probably less usable, that's not a lot compared to the 64 Kwh available in the EV.


  • #150
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    About 7000 reasons maybe?

    Yes I notice the range drop the second I press the AC button, turn the AC off it goes back up.:D:D:D

    https://www.webdoctor.ie/online-prescriptions/#:~:text=Through%20an%20online%20medical%20questionnaire%2C%20face%2Dto%2Dface%20consultation,to%20booking%20a%20video%20consultation. not affiliated, just being helpful.



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  • #151
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    kanuseeme wrote: »
    About 7000 reasons maybe?

    Yes I notice the range drop the second I press the AC button, turn the AC off it goes back up.:D:D:D

    Could be the 7000 reasons alright.

    The old Leaf used to do this too as soon as you turn on heat and ac. The one with the updated battery didn't do this if I remember correctly.

    It's just a preset setting to deduct what the engineers estimate will be lost in range.


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