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Chernobyl - HBO/Sky *Spoilers*

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    #602
    fixXxer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,283 ✭✭✭fixXxer


    There's also that level in COD: Modern Warfare :)


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    #603
    Arghus
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    I thought the show was excellent. Riveting and often terrifying stuff.

    Thought perhaps episode 4 was a bit weaker than the others, they really over egged the pathos of having to shoot all the dogs. As much as I love dogs, I don't know how horrifying that thought is amongst all the other horrors. We watched a man slowly turn into lasagna the week before, Barry Keoghan feeling a bit queasy about putting down pooches is going to seem like a walk in the park in comparison.

    Read this interesting, somewhat dissenting, view to all the praise, the show has been receiving. Do I agree with everything in the article? No. But it's an interesting read all the same -

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-hbos-chernobyl-got-right-and-what-it-got-terribly-wrong


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    #604
    sydthebeat
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    Arghus wrote: »
    Do I agree with everything in the article? No. But it's an interesting read all the same -

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-hbos-chernobyl-got-right-and-what-it-got-terribly-wrong

    Just a dissenting voice i think... and inaccurate as well.

    Legasovs own tapes record him talking about being in fear of the bullet.... and the author doesnt really understand the narrative mechanism that is Khomyuk, and how she can inhabit different spaces in the narration.


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    #605
    errlloyd
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    Just note, the author there is a Russian Journalist who fled Russia a few years ago. She had been critical of Putin since the late 90s.

    I also disagree with nitpicking in the way the writer has done, but the one area where the writer is probably fair is her criticism is Legasov. He did know the mechanisms of the Communist Party, he had benefited from it for a long time.


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    #606
    Mickeroo
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    I did find Khomyuk a bit too "Jeff Goldlum in Independence Day" at times, particularly at first.


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    #607
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I did find Khomyuk a bit too "Jeff Goldlum in Independence Day" at times, particularly at first.


    Her character irritated me as well to be honest. There was very little arc to her throughout the 5 episodes. I can understand why they wrote her in though as the series would have been overwhelmingly male-heavy otherwise.


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    #608
    valoren
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    The Knomyuk character, as mentioned, represents the background players in the drama and as such doesn't have an arc other than to portray the litany of activities going on in the background for months after the explosion and express it all within 5 episodes.

    'Khomyuk' was;

    Episode 2 - those who deduced there had been an accident, those who deduced the risk of a thermal explosion, those who planned what needed to be done to prevent that from happening.
    Episode 3 - those who investigated and determined what happened by interviewing the main players, those who were agitated and were suppressed from speaking out about the cover up, those monitored by (arrested by) the KGB.
    Episode 4 - those who worked on the problem and figured out the covered up design flaw in the reactor, those who urged Legasov to reveal the truth of it.
    Episdoe 5 - those who testified during the trial about what had happened and those who would silently work on the other RBMK reactors to ensure they were safe.


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    #609
    Drumpot
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    Arghus wrote: »
    I thought the show was excellent. Riveting and often terrifying stuff.

    Thought perhaps episode 4 was a bit weaker than the others, they really over egged the pathos of having to shoot all the dogs. As much as I love dogs, I don't know how horrifying that thought is amongst all the other horrors. We watched a man slowly turn into lasagna the week before, Barry Keoghan feeling a bit queasy about putting down pooches is going to seem like a walk in the park in comparison.

    Read this interesting, somewhat dissenting, view to all the praise, the show has been receiving. Do I agree with everything in the article? No. But it's an interesting read all the same -

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-hbos-chernobyl-got-right-and-what-it-got-terribly-wrong

    I think the writer sort of addressed that in the Podcast. He didnt want to be gratuitous with showing horrible things. It wasn't necessarily about ranking the horror up each episode, more trying to show all the different knock effects of the disaster. He actually said he cut out a scene whereby they ran out of bullets and one of the soldiers had to break the kneck of a struggling dog near the pit. He also said that he could of shown far worse (like the guy who had no face in the hospital) but at a certain point they didnt want to go overboard , borderline fetishing the carnage.

    He was trying to get the balance right and I think he did a good job. I dont think episode 4 was intentionally supposed to be "oh no, they didnt have to kill dogs aswell, how bad can this get?!, moreseo give an idea of the scope of the cleanup. Personally I think the dogs are a great representation of all the innocent people damaged, displaced or killed by the event.

    I like the way that soldier said the dogs hide where they feel safe which is (maybe not intentionally) a good metaphor for how the people hide behind secrecy at the expense of the truth. "I didnt lie for me, I lied for mother Russia" is probably a story they believed and told themselves. Whether a dog came up to the soldiers to be shot (russian people coming together to fix the problem - miners etc) or they hid where they felt safe (scientists and beaurocrats hiding the truth, general population in ignorance), the Truth of their situation prevailed.

    Maybe I read a bit too deep into it but I enjoyed the Dogs episode either way.


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    #610
    barney shamrock
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    Can anyone recommend a good chernobyl related documentary on YouTube please?


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    #611
    Limpy
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    barney shamrock wrote: »
    Can anyone recommend a good chernobyl related documentary on YouTube please?


    https://youtu.be/p5GTvaW34O0


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    #612
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Just been watching episode 3 with the naked miners. Had typed into google "naked miners" to see if it was a real thing before I realised I'd probably be on some child pornography list if I pressed enter.


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    #613
    Zorya
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    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    Just been watching episode 3 with the naked miners. Had typed into google "naked miners" to see if it was a real thing before I realised I'd probably be on some child pornography list if I pressed enter.

    The miner's leader was one of my favourite characters.


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    #614
    bingbong500
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Just note, the author there is a Russian Journalist who fled Russia a few years ago. She had been critical of Putin since the late 90s.

    I also disagree with nitpicking in the way the writer has done, but the one area where the writer is probably fair is her criticism is Legasov. He did know the mechanisms of the Communist Party, he had benefited from it for a long time.

    But we know that about him. The programme doesn't make him out to be a hero for anything else he had ever done, he is clearly a flawed man who has advanced to a good position, and to have done that he had to play the system and be a good party man. But even before the disaster he was making himself unpopular by pushing for new safety measures, and when he told the truth at the trial he would have honestly anticipated that it could mean a sudden and violent death for him, and did it anyway. And when it didn't, he knew that his suicide would draw the attention to the issue that he couldn't do alive.

    No matter what went before, there is no question that he was a courageous man who was one of the main reasons Europe is still inhabitable.


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    #615
    Unearthly
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    Zorya wrote: »
    The miner's leader was one of my favourite characters.

    Trevor from Eastenders ;)


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    #616
    Zorya
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    Unearthly wrote: »
    Trevor from Eastenders ;)

    Never seen Eastenders but I heard that. His character was just so enthusiastically disrespectful to authority.


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    #617
    Slydice
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    The composer Hildur Guðnadóttir went to an empty power plant in Lithuania (where Chernobyl was filmed) and some of the soundtrack is made from audio captured there:



    A little background music while you listen to the interview?



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    #618
    ILikeBoats
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    Unearthly wrote: »
    Trevor from Eastenders ;)

    Do ya like gravy Mo

    482133.jpg


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    Penn
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    Apparently Russia aren't happy with the programme (even before it came out) and are already in post-production on their own version showing the "truth" of what happened; that the facility was infiltrated by a CIA agent and they caused the incident.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/russia-making-own-tv-series-chernobyl-nuclear-disaster-1216383


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    #620
    Hurrache
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    More mind blown-iness, so apart from the multitude of actors, the writer being responsible for some dodgy Hollywood movies, I just saw this. Great video and song...
    https://twitter.com/alicevjones/status/1136916284162084865


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    #621
    silverharp
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    Penn wrote: »
    Apparently Russia aren't happy with the programme (even before it came out) and are already in post-production on their own version showing the "truth" of what happened; that the facility was infiltrated by a CIA agent and they caused the incident.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/russia-making-own-tv-series-chernobyl-nuclear-disaster-1216383

    I'd almost hope that is fake news , its an outrageous idea given that it terrified millions of people in the west in nearby countries.

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    #622
    one world order
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    Penn wrote: »
    Apparently Russia aren't happy with the programme (even before it came out) and are already in post-production on their own version showing the "truth" of what happened; that the facility was infiltrated by a CIA agent and they caused the incident.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/russia-making-own-tv-series-chernobyl-nuclear-disaster-1216383

    It wouldn't surprise me with the CIA. The Israeli's infiltrated Fukushima as pay back for selling uranium to Iran but the truth never gets told through the mass produced mainstream media.


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    #623
    fixXxer
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    one world order wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me with the CIA. The Israeli's infiltrated Fukushima as pay back for selling uranium to Iran but the truth never gets told through the mass produced mainstream media.

    Link to that please.


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    #624
    Walter Bishop
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    one world order wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me with the CIA. The Israeli's infiltrated Fukushima as pay back for selling uranium to Iran but the truth never gets told through the mass produced mainstream media.

    Did the Israelis trigger the tsunami too?

    :rolleyes:


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    silverharp wrote: »
    I'd almost hope that is fake news , its an outrageous idea given that it terrified millions of people in the west in nearby countries.

    There's a multitude of accounts (alleged Russian bots) on movie review sites giving it a one-star review because they "prefer Breaking Bad" or "don't want it to be rated higher than The Wire".


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    one world order wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me with the CIA. The Israeli's infiltrated Fukushima as pay back for selling uranium to Iran but the truth never gets told through the mass produced mainstream media.

    GTFO here with that sensational conspiracy theory bullcrap.


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    #627
    Jurgen The German
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    one world order wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me with the CIA. The Israeli's infiltrated Fukushima as pay back for selling uranium to Iran but the truth never gets told through the mass produced mainstream media.

    It was actually Doc Brown and Marty. They got caught in a time loop and couldn't source the required fuel for the flux capacitor so had to disguise themselves as Japanese men, get a masters degree in nuclear physics and get jobs in Fukushima, slowly working their way along until they got into a position to access what they needed. The resultant theft caused the accident.


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    #628
    Tired Gardener
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    Absolutely brilliant show, that takes inspiration from a wide range of genres. Body horror, political drama, etc.

    It is a credit to those brave people who laid down their lives to mitigate the disaster from being worse.

    Some truly harrowing moments, great actors, and a great score.

    Easily one of the best TV shows in modern times.


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    #629
    GreeBo
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    The amazing thing for me is how many ordinary Joes just willingly went and did things that they knew or would have has to assume was going to kill them.

    It reminded me of the UK during the blitz, people just got on with things.

    It seems very different than nowadays.
    I think if it happened today we would spend months on communication and marketing before anything would be done :(


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    #630
    is_that_so
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Just note, the author there is a Russian Journalist who fled Russia a few years ago. She had been critical of Putin since the late 90s.

    I also disagree with nitpicking in the way the writer has done, but the one area where the writer is probably fair is her criticism is Legasov. He did know the mechanisms of the Communist Party, he had benefited from it for a long time.
    This is one of the points about such a topic; some messengers have their own agenda. I found her piece very strident and along the lines of unless someone shouted "Soviets really bad" every episode it was all wrong. I was surprised that she didn't seem to or chose not to see how pared back Mazin made it at times (as he has stated in the podcasts). The other thing that seems to be generating ire is the use of Khomyuk as a composite character. Sure it's a device but IMO it works extremely well given the reveal of just how many she represented. It also helped focus that narrative into one very good actor.


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    #631
    wcooba
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    Penn wrote:
    Apparently Russia aren't happy with the programme (even before it came out) and are already in post-production on their own version showing the "truth" of what happened; that the facility was infiltrated by a CIA agent and they caused the incident.

    Interesting that it's already in post production. Coincidence or FSB (successor of KGB) was very well informed when UK drama was in making? Funding source is very telling too (Gazprom + culture ministry of Russia). Not much seem to change there since 1986...


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