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'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised
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Passed this a few minutes ago(in Cork):
Wonder where are the gobshïtes with their red paint tonight? Because theyre not wanted, welcome or representative of the people i know.
Is this cenotaph glorifying the British empire, or pandering to unionists? Because in 1925, i doubt very much they were. Does the November wreath laying exult and celebrate the Queen and Brittania , or is it a moment to reflect on the great loss of life in the carnage..
"We are here today simply to remember them; to remember the awfulness of it all, the deaths, the wounds, the scars, mental, emotional and physical, the gaps that stayed for ever - in individual lives, in families, in communities, in societies, and in nations.
Whatever our current outlook we can all agree that people died; that there was unimaginable and ghastly suffering; and that the world has never been the same since. Our world still shudders.
Their faces do stare at us across history, and their stories resonate, and we realise that there are questions for us in our time - for us of all outlooks … must build bridges, join hands, work with our difference, and try to meet minds to address these questions; what have we become? what are we becoming? Or more menacing still - what do we risk becoming?”
Bishop of Cork Paul Colton
11/11/2018
Is that a celebration or glorification of WW1?
'Why we fought'
At the outbreak of the war we, as plain men, felt that it was our duty to stand against the threat to civilisation. Were we right? Was it an honourable thing to do? Had we any doubts about our duty to Christianity and to our country?
The leaders of our Church agreed that we were right. We found our Nationalist leaders, though opposed in politics, agreed that we were right. We have since been told that our leaders should have made some sort of a political bargain for Ireland first.
Our answer to that is that you cannot bargain with a Nation’s honour. We went into the war in the name of Ireland, with clean hands and a pure heart, and we came out with a reputation that did not disgrace the name of Ireland.
John Flynn December 1918
Letter to Irish Examiner.0 -
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Roger Hassenforder wrote: »Passed this a few minutes ago:
Wonder where are the gobshïtes with their red paint tonight? Because theyre not wanted, welcome or representative of the people i know.
Is this cenotaph glorifying the British empire, or pandering to unionists? Because in 1925, i doubt very much they were. Does the November wreath laying exult and celebrate the Quen and Brittania , or is it a moment to reflect on the great loss of live in the carnage..
"We are here today simply to remember them; to remember the awfulness of it all, the deaths, the wounds, the scars, mental, emotional and physical, the gaps that stayed for ever - in individual lives, in families, in communities, in societies, and in nations.
Whatever our current outlook we can all agree that people died; that there was unimaginable and ghastly suffering; and that the world has never been the same since. Our world still shudders.
Their faces do stare at us across history, and their stories resonate, and we realise that there are questions for us in our time - for us of all outlooks … must build bridges, join hands, work with our difference, and try to meet minds to address these questions; what have we become? what are we becoming? Or more menacing still - what do we risk becoming?”
Bishop of Cork Paul Colton
11/11/2018
Is that a celebration or glorification of WW1?
'Why we fought'
At the outbreak of the war we, as plain men, felt that it was our duty to stand against the threat to civilisation. Were we right? Was it an honourable thing to do? Had we any doubts about our duty to Christianity and to our country?
The leaders of our Church agreed that we were right. We found our Nationalist leaders, though opposed in politics, agreed that we were right. We have since been told that our leaders should have made some sort of a political bargain for Ireland first.
Our answer to that is that you cannot bargain with a Nation’s honour. We went into the war in the name of Ireland, with clean hands and a pure heart, and we came out with a reputation that did not disgrace the name of Ireland.
John Flynn December 1918
Letter to Irish Examiner.
Nobody has a problem with respectable rememberance.
We know what is just under the surface of some around here though if you object to over the top remembrance though. We have all seen here on this thread.
We know what you use this for Roger and the majority of Irish people will never support that.0 -
Roger Hassenforder wrote: »Passed this a few minutes ago:
Wonder where are the gobshïtes with their red paint tonight? Because theyre not wanted, welcome or representative of the people i know.
Is this cenotaph glorifying the British empire, or pandering to unionists? Because in 1925, i doubt very much they were. Does the November wreath laying exult and celebrate the Quen and Brittania , or is it a moment to reflect on the great loss of live in the carnage..
"We are here today simply to remember them; to remember the awfulness of it all, the deaths, the wounds, the scars, mental, emotional and physical, the gaps that stayed for ever - in individual lives, in families, in communities, in societies, and in nations.
Whatever our current outlook we can all agree that people died; that there was unimaginable and ghastly suffering; and that the world has never been the same since. Our world still shudders.
Their faces do stare at us across history, and their stories resonate, and we realise that there are questions for us in our time - for us of all outlooks … must build bridges, join hands, work with our difference, and try to meet minds to address these questions; what have we become? what are we becoming? Or more menacing still - what do we risk becoming?”
Bishop of Cork Paul Colton
11/11/2018
Is that a celebration or glorification of WW1?
'Why we fought'
At the outbreak of the war we, as plain men, felt that it was our duty to stand against the threat to civilisation. Were we right? Was it an honourable thing to do? Had we any doubts about our duty to Christianity and to our country?
The leaders of our Church agreed that we were right. We found our Nationalist leaders, though opposed in politics, agreed that we were right. We have since been told that our leaders should have made some sort of a political bargain for Ireland first.
Our answer to that is that you cannot bargain with a Nation’s honour. We went into the war in the name of Ireland, with clean hands and a pure heart, and we came out with a reputation that did not disgrace the name of Ireland.
John Flynn December 1918
Letter to Irish Examiner.
This should be quoutes rvery time one of the usual "republican " representatives reply to these these threads!
Now im sure they will play republican bingo and spout their usual soundbite cliches straight from the SF online playbook but they will never understand that this is the reason most men chose to fight because this is what they believed in.0 -
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Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »This should be quoutes rvery time one of the usual "republican " representatives reply to these these threads!
Now im sure they will play republican bingo and spout their usual soundbite cliches straight from the SF online playbook but they will never understand that this is the reason most men chose to fight because this is what they believed in.
For a fella who's spends a lot of time playing Jingo Bingo you're very judgmental.:o
Maybe next, you're going to quote the finest Cork man to wear a British army uniform when he shared his thoughts about enlisting? Mr Tom Barry
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For a fella who's spends a lot of time playing Jingo Bingo you're very judgmental.:o
Maybe next, you're going to quote the finest Cork man to wear a British army uniform when he shared his thoughts about enlisting? Mr Tom Barry
Or is that too SF playbook for ye?:D
Two quotes attributed to the man...In June, in my seventeenth year, I had decided to see what this Great War was like. I cannot plead I went on the advice of John Redmond or any other politician, that if we fought for the British we would secure Home Rule for Ireland, nor can I say I understood what Home Rule meant. I was not influenced by the lurid appeal to fight to save Belgium or small nations. I knew nothing about nations, large or small. I went to the war for no other reason than that I wanted to see what war was like, to get a gun, to see new countries and to feel a grown man. Above all I went because I knew no Irish history and had no national consciousness.They said I was ruthless, daring, savage, blood thirsty, even heartless. The clergy called me and my comrades murderers; but the British were met with their own weapons. They had gone in the mire to destroy us and our nation and down after them we had to go.
Some on here know better, of course.0 -
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Lefty Bicek wrote: »As if to prove my point...
Go on , deliver us a few more of your entertaining quotes and comments.0
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