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Athlone Town FC - Time to call it a day?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56



    It's a bit of a moral hazard issue. Don't fine them and it sets a precedent for any other clubs who don't fulfill a fixture to get off scott free.

    ATFC not fulfilling the fixture took money out of Waterfords kitty so it's only fair the reverse fixture is to be held there with gate receipts going to Waterford.

    It's about as little the FAI could do whilst retaining some credibility and being seen to deter other clubs from not fulfilling fixtures in the future.

    Hopefully the independent review will make reommendations which if accepted and implemented by Athlone will allow the FAI to justify baling the club out and putting it on some sort of corporate probation or oversight to ensure it gets on and stays off the right administrative and commercial path going forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,456 ✭✭✭Damien360


    OP. How much of the problem is location.

    I was a student in Athlone RTC in the 90's and went to a few games. Most notable was a Derry City game which was brilliant as their fans were great craic.

    But, even as a student getting to the ground was a bit of a headache. It's not best placed in terms of personal safety. Fine when you are in the grounds but the surrounding area was a dump.

    Safety is what kept a great deal of students away from the place. We approached from the retreat park side (nobody had a car then) and every single time without fail we would have to keep an eye out for flying rocks from the houses on higher ground from our right. Maybe it has improved over the years but contrast that with longfords ground at the moment, despite being on a main road, is not a bad place to go and they seem to get great attendances judging by the volume of people I see when I drive by.

    The same could be said of shamrock rovers in Tallaght stadium. Good attendances when people are safe although they do have critical mass advantage in Dublin so I'm sure that plays a major part.

    You are right about local business not seeing local clubs as an opportunity. Not sure about ATFC but Kildare Town here died a death through lack of support from business. The main stand was tiny so they couldn't pack them in. The football was cat which didn't help.

    Finally, price. The GAA and rugby is growing as you say, because they are accessible. Your local game will not set you back a fortune. The finals will which is fair enough. Although the FAI clubs need to survive, if you price something accordingly, people will come. You make your money on ancillary stuff on sheer numbers of people instead of at the gate. You ain't getting premier league so pitch it as a night out, same way the greyhound stadiums have done it. It's family friendly. In fairness, they got central funding. Maybe the FAI need to dig a lot deeper. Think more local and not compare themselves to the big boys across the water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,852 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I honestly don't get how the FAI could have not fined them tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭Tomagotchye


    How does this fine work? Because they already can't afford to pay players right? I mean will they take the money now and kick them while they're down or will wait a while until maybe they go back in the black and then taking the money like a sucker punch?

    Surely they should have gotten a points reduction or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Saint_Mel wrote: »
    Unfortunately there are several agendas behind the scenes that see the underage structure as a cash cow and it would suit their plans if there was no 1st team .... allegedly....

    I've seen this in a few places but it makes no sense.
    The U17&U19 leagues are the place to be for the best young talent.
    To have a team in them you have to have a LOI side.
    The likes of Kevins in Dublin have even weighed up having a LOI side,that the people running Athlone would sabotage the senior team really doesn't add up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭flas


    It all went down hill when they left st.mels....i remember playing there in many a local derby,me being from longford,all the way up to under 21 football as it was at the time,and back down to under 19's(I was good enough to play u21's really young) and that place just had a crowd,always,couple of hundred even at our games...most vivid memory is driving into a game on our team bus at 11 on a sunday morning and a car smouldering just outside the stadium having being burnt out the night before,always sticks in the memory!played one game in their new ground,horrible place,like the gas ground nit far from it,dead...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭To Elland Back


    How does this fine work? Because they already can't afford to pay players right? I mean will they take the money now and kick them while they're down or will wait a while until maybe they go back in the black and then taking the money like a sucker punch?

    Surely they should have gotten a points reduction or something.

    The FAI take all fines out of their annual payment to clubs at the end of the season, so there is no immediate effect. A sanction of some sort had to be imposed. WYFC were fined a similar amount when a fire caused our floodlights to fail last season, leading to the game against Athlone being abandoned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56


    Hi Damien,
    Damien360 wrote: »
    OP. How much of the problem is location.

    I was a student in Athlone RTC in the 90's and went to a few games. Most notable was a Derry City game which was brilliant as their fans were great craic.

    But, even as a student getting to the ground was a bit of a headache. It's not best placed in terms of personal safety. Fine when you are in the grounds but the surrounding area was a dump.

    Safety is what kept a great deal of students away from the place. We approached from the retreat park side (nobody had a car then) and every single time without fail we would have to keep an eye out for flying rocks from the houses on higher ground from our right. Maybe it has improved over the years but contrast that with longfords ground at the moment, despite being on a main road, is not a bad place to go and they seem to get great attendances judging by the volume of people I see when I drive by.

    The same could be said of shamrock rovers in Tallaght stadium. Good attendances when people are safe although they do have critical mass advantage in Dublin so I'm sure that plays a major part.

    You're recalling the old St Mel's park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mel%27s_Park which was indeed located in an area which in today's language we'd call "socially challenged" but Athlone moved to a fantastic new stadium not far from the Athlone GAA club on the Longford road just on the edge of town in 2007, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlone_Town_Stadium so unfortunately the reason so few people attend is not down to the challenge of accessing St Mel's park although I have to say that as as kid in the 70's and early 80's navigating to St Mel's Park always seemed to create a tense atmosphere which modern out of town stadiums seem to lack.

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    Damien360 wrote: »
    You are right about local business not seeing local clubs as an opportunity. Not sure about ATFC but Kildare Town here died a death through lack of support from business. The main stand was tiny so they couldn't pack them in. The football was cat which didn't help.

    Finally, price. The GAA and rugby is growing as you say, because they are accessible. Your local game will not set you back a fortune. The finals will which is fair enough. Although the FAI clubs need to survive, if you price something accordingly, people will come. You make your money on ancillary stuff on sheer numbers of people instead of at the gate. You ain't getting premier league so pitch it as a night out, same way the greyhound stadiums have done it. It's family friendly. In fairness, they got central funding. Maybe the FAI need to dig a lot deeper. Think more local and not compare themselves to the big boys across the water.

    All fair points. I do think the availability of Premier League soccer on TV is a major obstacle for LOI though. People are saturated with soccer so when it comes to how they want to spend their leisure time actually watching a live sport they already have their fill of soccer and those that don't will often have too high expectations and feel disappointed that attending their local team matches isn't anything like watching a Premier League match in terms of atmosphere, quality of football, slickness of operation etc etc.

    An interesting experiment might be to do away with gate receipts all together and allow anyone who wants to watch their local team in FOC but do a whip around at half time with the time honoured buckets. Instead of charging 200 people €10 a head and generating €2,000 wouldn't it be better if 500 people attended and they all (on average) contributed €5 a head. The gate receipts would go up to €2,500, the atmosphere would be better and the takings in the shop and for raffles etc would be higher also.

    It works for the Catholic Church and those boys know how to milk their target market for all it's worth ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,852 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    How does this fine work? Because they already can't afford to pay players right? I mean will they take the money now and kick them while they're down or will wait a while until maybe they go back in the black and then taking the money like a sucker punch?

    Surely they should have gotten a points reduction or something.
    When all the other teams in the league break certain rules we get fined. It would make a joke of the league if the fine was waived just because the club in question spent their way into financial difficulties.

    We're right back here at the same situation we came into with Monaghan. Just look at the squad Monaghan put together to get promoted. And yet the FAI get the blame.

    People quote licensing but I don't think people would have been any less critical if Athlone or Monaghan had been prevented from taking their place in the First Division the year of the promotion.

    And talk of using the license to implement budget control is all the more difficult when you consider how prevalent off the books payments are in the League of Ireland.

    Athlone are in financial difficulty for the same reasons Shels, Cork or Bohs suffered financial woe on years gone by, too much money spent chasing a dream that was never realised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56


    CSF wrote: »
    Athlone are in financial difficulty for the same reasons Shels, Cork or Bohs suffered financial woe on years gone by, too much money spent chasing a dream that was never realised.
    Whilst I don't disagree that fundamentally the problem boils down to spending more than you are capable of generating I don't think (and I am totally open to correction) that Athlone are chasing some sort of pipe dream. I think the limit of their ambition this year is to be somewhat competitive and not come absolute last in league one. If that's an unsustainable dream for the club they may need to accept the fact that LOI participation is just not financially viable for them, hence my original post in the first place!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    stop calling it League 1 please. It's not called that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,852 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Whilst I don't disagree that fundamentally the problem boils down to spending more than you are capable of generating I don't think (and I am totally open to correction) that Athlone are chasing some sort of pipe dream. I think the limit of their ambition this year is to be somewhat competitive and not come absolute last in league one. If that's an unsustainable dream for the club they may need to accept the fact that LOI participation is just not financially viable for them, hence my original post in the first place!!

    Last season they did, they were outbidding Shels and Drogheda for players which obviously on their attendances they couldn't afford to do. They carried a ****load of unpaid wages into this season and that's where they are now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭To Elland Back


    CSF wrote: »
    Last season they did, they were outbidding Shels and Drogheda for players which obviously on their attendances they couldn't afford to do. They carried a ****load of unpaid wages into this season and that's where they are now.

    A couple of years ago, Waterford signed up a lot of the good Wexford & Cobh players. They never paid them in full, but it was a deliberate effort to weaken both sides in their promotion push. They are reaping that reward now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56


    CSF wrote: »
    They carried a ****load of unpaid wages into this season and that's where they are now.
    Does anyone know the ball park amount of unpaid wages carried forward from last season in league one first division into this season? Are we talking €2,000 to €4,000 range or tens of thousands?

    One of the main problems with carrying operating expense debt like that into a new season is that any potential sponsors aren't going to agree to have their money pay off a previous seasons problem. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. If I was a potential sponsor I'd want to know that the €x I was contributing was going towards the cost of putting a team on the pitch this season otherwise I wouldn't consider it. Might as well flush the cash down the toilet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56


    A couple of years ago, Waterford signed up a lot of the good Wexford & Cobh players. They never paid them in full, but it was a deliberate effort to weaken both sides in their promotion push. They are reaping that reward now

    Don't players ever undertake any sort of due diligence on the clubs promising them big money as in actually check to see if the clubs are in financial position to honour the commitments they are making? I guess not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    A couple of years ago, Waterford signed up a lot of the good Wexford & Cobh players. They never paid them in full, but it was a deliberate effort to weaken both sides in their promotion push. They are reaping that reward now

    In the past I've had the suspicion that clubs are only signing players so those around them in the table can't have them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    dan1895 wrote: »
    In the past I've had the suspicion that clubs are only signing players so those around them in the table can't have them.

    Like Ollie did? :D

    Oh that glorious evening when the news broke that Hawkins, Ryan and Crowe were moving to Shels.

    "Tell all the Boez you know..."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Frogdog


    I've seen this in a few places but it makes no sense.
    The U17&U19 leagues are the place to be for the best young talent.
    To have a team in them you have to have a LOI side.
    The likes of Kevins in Dublin have even weighed up having a LOI side,that the people running Athlone would sabotage the senior team really doesn't add up.

    Not true, e.g. Kerry U17 LoI side this year, with an U19 side to follow in a couple of years. No senior team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    Like Ollie did? :D

    Oh that glorious evening when the news broke that Hawkins, Ryan and Crowe were moving to Shels.

    "Tell all the Boez you know..."

    Ha true. But talking more recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Does anyone know the ball park amount of unpaid wages carried forward from last season in league one first division into this season? Are we talking €2,000 to €4,000 range or tens of thousands?

    One of the main problems with carrying operating expense debt like that into a new season is that any potential sponsors aren't going to agree to have their money pay off a previous seasons problem. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. If I was a potential sponsor I'd want to know that the €x I was contributing was going towards the cost of putting a team on the pitch this season otherwise I wouldn't consider it. Might as well flush the cash down the toilet.

    I think it's relatively small figures. There are about 14 amateur players on about E20-50/week expenses.
    So if all of them haven't been paid for say 10 weeks (be surprised if they went that long).
    We'd be talking 4k. Add in another 2 or 3 k from last year and round it off to 10k.
    It's probably not even that high and certainly not an insurmountable figure.

    Athlone problems aren't really money, it's more to with good organisation or lack of.
    A well run club with a good supporter base would clear a E10k debt with a couple of fundraisers.

    Just read that Peter McCloone (formed general secretary of IMPACT) is the independent consultant.
    Hopefully he has the expertise to put the mess straight and sort out essentially what are employment issues.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Frogdog wrote: »
    Not true, e.g. Kerry U17 LoI side this year, with an U19 side to follow in a couple of years. No senior team.

    Athlone would be taking a huge risk.
    Their place in the youth leagues may well be taken by their replacement in the league.
    So if the plan is to drop out, it's a risky one.
    Even if they did keep their place, they would end up with their best players poached by the big Dublin Clubs and even Longford, all of which would have a senior pathway.

    Kerry & Monaghan/Cavan would be seen as areas without nearby youth set ups.
    Then Salthill & Mervue are closely affiliated with Galway (they have a share holding in Galway).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56


    A well run club with a good supporter base would clear a E10k debt with a couple of fundraisers.
    I know anecdotally that the Athlone support base is tired of fundraisers. The amount of times in the past they've been told "just one more" fundraiser and things will be ok.

    There's only so many times you can go to the well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,852 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I don't get why Athlone would cease to have a football club. Why not just accept their place in the pecking order in that to compete for a Premier Division spot they'll have to work harder to unearth gems that other teams aren't looking at, and work on bringing through young players, rather than be able to sign proven players like clubs with more income can.

    Are there actual examples of it ever working for teams in Irish football who threw money they couldn't afford in the hope that the success it would bring would create the money to pay the shortfall, and the long-term was fine? I honestly can't think of one so why do teams keep trying it?

    If you're a team with 300ish attendances and limited alternative income streams, budget accordingly, if you're a team with 700ish attendances and limited alternative alternative income streams then you can stretch a little bit further but realistically you still have to accept your place in the pecking order and hope you can still create success without throwing money at it.

    We can blame the FAI for Delaney not being the brightest or most charismatic, we can blame the FAI for doing a terrible job of advertising the league, reasonable arguments. But blaming the FAI for teams going bust? Nah not having that. If you're a team under a certain amount of income then you're going to have to go amateur (a large number of Shels players for instance would be on amateur deals), if you're a team who can't afford the basic costs of running a LOI club on your amount of income, then the LOI probably isn't the place for you. But I don't think Athlone or Monaghan actually fitted that description, they were just run terribly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56


    Then Salthill & Mervue are closely affiliated with Galway (they have a share holding in Galway).

    Might be a good idea for Willow Park FC and St Peters FC to have substantial shareholdings in ATFC going forward. It would provide some experienced counterbalance to a single group of shareholders running the club as they see fit and tie their youth players into a pathway to LOI football even if it is only league one the first division ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56


    CSF wrote: »
    Are there actual examples of it ever working for teams in Irish football who threw money they couldn't afford in the hope that the success it would bring would create the money to pay the shortfall, and the long-term was fine? I honestly can't think of one so why do teams keep trying it.
    I agree 100%, it's not a sustainable strategy and is in fact reckless. you are effectively betting the history and future of the club on future success, you're all in with no plan B. The reason people keep doing it is they have very short time horizons. They want to be associated with overseeing a success on the pitch so they can live off the stories down the pub for the rest of their lives regardless of the potential downside if it doesn't work out. It's a bit like Anglo/BOI/AIB managers flogging huge loans to hit big performance targets and secure their personal bonuses with zero regard to the viability of the projects being financed and and the consequences of what would happen if the loans went bad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    Its a combination of factors. The current executive committee consists really of 2 lads. These 2 seemed to have annoyed the supporters and won't step down. However i've only ever seen people suggest that the committee step down.

    They should step down but theres no mention of what the plan is after that. Theres talk of a group of people willing to step in and run the club, but its all very vague cloak and dagger stuff. if the appetite is there then it won't be a hard job to remove the committee but Athlone's problem is just that, very little appetite. Its said that crowds will come back once these lads are gone and that links between the community and the club will improve then. But from my recollection, links between the club and the community had deteriorated even before the current regime took the reigns.

    So even though I agree they should stand down, to say that this alone will solve the clubs problems is wide of the mark.

    An emergency meeting in the last couple of weeks had a max of maybe 50 people. If more people actually cared and formulated a proper plan of action then they could get rid of the board and start afresh. But as it stands there seems to be a pretty tame effort in trying to oust them and plenty of whinging.

    Amazing how everyone has a story about the glory days of their visit to watch ATFC, and how they are outraged at how it has come to this. It has come to this because the appetite is not there to watch them.

    More action and less whinging would be a start. People with more understanding of running a club and how to engage with local business, nurture links with schools, the junior football clubs in the midlands region, get the club to train in athlone and go amateur for a start.

    ATFC is not a viable option for a young Athlone based player who would have to pay his own way to train in Dublin week in week out. The first team roll in on friday, pick up their expenses (or not as is the case now) and then they are next seen again in 2 weeks time for the next home game.

    Its pure nonsense. Going "all local" is insular sounding, but you need a local heart to the club and then pad it out with other players to make up the numbers. It stands to reason that a local player (if the ability is there obviously) will have his family and friends paying at the gate to watch. And if Athlone get a hiding for a few seasons then so be it. Its not like they are not rooted to the bottom places in the table under the current model.

    Hopefully some people with a bit of vision come to the forefront, people with a bit of passion and get up and go. Rather than just wallowing and whinging


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,852 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I agree 100%, it's not a sustainable strategy and is in fact reckless. you are effectively betting the history and future of the club on future success, you're all in with no plan B. The reason people keep doing it is they have very short time horizons. They want to be associated with overseeing a success on the pitch so they can live off the stories down the pub for the rest of their lives regardless of the potential downside if it doesn't work out. It's a bit like Anglo/BOI/AIB managers flogging huge loans to hit big performance targets and secure their personal bonuses with zero regard to the viability of the projects being financed and and the consequences of what would happen if the loans went bad.
    Yup, I think part of it is just people getting over-excited with themselves. Like the prospect of being involved a team who aren't challenging for honours just isn't fitting enough for them.

    There are a great number of things Athlone could have done to improve their chances of success, jeopardising the future of the club shouldn't have been one of them.

    Every time it goes on at a club, you've people going around with buckets, you've had kids giving up Christmas presents to give money to clubs, generally the LOI preaching sympathy and not being able to understand why the FAI might not go out of their way to save them.

    But I don't get why we should have sympathy for clubs, the term financial doping sounds ridiculous in the League of Ireland but that is exactly what it is. Clubs now are going all out getting a competitive advantage spending all this money, knowing that if their risk doesn't pay off, people will bail them out anyway. If Athlone hadn't gone spending all this money last year, Drogheda mightn't have been relegated, could have been the difference for Shels to be able to sign one extra player who could have made the difference in reaching the playoffs. And when a team is in the League of Ireland First Division you can't demote them, and what difference would a points deduction make to Athlone at this stage anyway?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    CSF wrote: »
    I don't get why Athlone would cease to have a football club. Why not just accept their place in the pecking order in that to compete for a Premier Division spot they'll have to work harder to unearth gems that other teams aren't looking at, and work on bringing through young players, rather than be able to sign proven players like clubs with more income can.

    Are there actual examples of it ever working for teams in Irish football who threw money they couldn't afford in the hope that the success it would bring would create the money to pay the shortfall, and the long-term was fine? I honestly can't think of one so why do teams keep trying it?

    If you're a team with 300ish attendances and limited alternative income streams, budget accordingly, if you're a team with 700ish attendances and limited alternative alternative income streams then you can stretch a little bit further but realistically you still have to accept your place in the pecking order and hope you can still create success without throwing money at it.

    We can blame the FAI for Delaney not being the brightest or most charismatic, we can blame the FAI for doing a terrible job of advertising the league, reasonable arguments. But blaming the FAI for teams going bust? Nah not having that. If you're a team under a certain amount of income then you're going to have to go amateur (a large number of Shels players for instance would be on amateur deals), if you're a team who can't afford the basic costs of running a LOI club on your amount of income, then the LOI probably isn't the place for you. But I don't think Athlone or Monaghan actually fitted that description, they were just run terribly.
    Might be a good idea for Willow Park FC and St Peters FC to have substantial shareholdings in ATFC going forward. It would provide some experienced counterbalance to a single group of shareholders running the club as they see fit and tie their youth players into a pathway to LOI football even if it is only league one the first division ;)

    two excellent posts. Actual thoughts and ideas about what can be done. CSF you are absolutely spot on in relation to the current model (not just with Athlone) being unsustainable.

    Its based on someone running it at a loss in the hope it will lead to something greater. And its been that way for years, with no sign of anything "bigger" on the horizon. Domestic clubs lurch on from one catastrophe to the next. Even the more perceived successful clubs are one investor pull out away from disaster.

    Je Suis jean mentioned Athlone offering shareholdings to larger junior clubs, this definately has some merit. The best young players in the region simply have to have a pathway or aspirations of playing for ATFC.

    Its a symptom of Irish football for years, its completely fractured.

    I think Athlone even have under 15s and 16s who are successful in the DDSL premier this season, which has traditionally been the shop window for young lads going to England. So in time, surely the talent is there to play for the first team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭54and56


    price690 wrote: »
    Hopefully some people with a bit of vision come to the forefront, people with a bit of passion and get up and go. Rather than just wallowing and whinging

    I don't think everyone is whinging, I'm not and I apologise if I gave that impression. I'm curious about how things got to this point and disappointed that they have bit I haven't lived in Athlone for 30 years so I have little to offer.

    You on the other hand sound plugged into the club, energetic and have positive ideas. What's stopping you going to the meetings, putting forward your ideas and offering to get involved in turning the club around? Genuine question.

    Can Athlone be rebuilt to a point it is a financially sustainable LOI club? Personally I don't think so. There is too much competition for the limited time and discretionary spend people in the general Athlone area have to support local sports.

    I hope I'm wrong.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    I don't think everyone is whinging, I'm not and I apologise if I gave that impression. I'm curious about how things got to this point and disappointed that they have bit I haven't lived in Athlone for 30 years so I have little to offer.

    You on the other hand sound plugged into the club, energetic and have positive ideas. What's stopping you going to the meetings, putting forward your ideas and offering to get involved in turning the club around? Genuine question.

    Can Athlone be rebuilt to a point it is a financially sustainable LOI club? Personally I don't think so. There is too much competition for the limited time and discretionary spend people in the general Athlone area have to support local sports.

    I hope I'm wrong.

    I didn't mean to give the impression I thought you were whinging, you clearly were not. I was complimenting you on a great post and outside the box idea of offering shareholdings to the junior clubs.

    I do sound plugged in to the club and the general area but like yourself its been a good few years since I lived in the area.

    As for Athlone being rebuilt to a point its a financially sustainable LOI club? I think the future is to develop the youth of the area and give them LOI experience in the long term. Get the best players in Athlone playing for ATFC. And the really good ones will use it as a stepping stone to make a career elsewhere which is a purpose in itself. If the club are bottom of the league doing this then its not that different to how things are now. Athlone are not pulling up any trees paying out of towners to train in dublin.

    Amateur football is the way to go, even use it as a shop window to move elsewhere. Local goodwill, closer links to schools/businesses, junior clubs having a say, and from an underage perspective having all roads leading towards the athlone town first team. Who knows what would be possible, but at least unsustainable costs of paying LOI journeymen 50 or 100euro a week to sit bottom of the league would be a thing of the past.

    You also cultivate a culture where people are more likely to volunteer for their local football team that gives a fair crack to young lads of the area to compete on a national level. Their friends and family paying at the gate come rain or shine also nurtures a following in itself.


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