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Gender neutral kids clothing

  • 05-06-2016 07:52AM
    #1
    stefanovich
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    Have a read

    Opinions? Going too far?

    In my opinion another step towards the cultural castration of men.


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  • #2
    The King of Moo
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    I don't think it means anything. It's just another option for clothing in addition to all other other options available.
    Anyone worried about this needs to relax and step away from the curtains. It won't change anything about the world, about gender, about anything.

    We've survived all the gender-neutral clothes we've had to face like t-shirts, jumpers and trousers, I think we'll survive this.


  • #3
    stefanovich
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    I don't think it means anything. It's just another option for clothing in addition to all other other options available.
    Anyone worried about this needs to relax and step away from the curtains. It won't change anything about the world, about gender, about anything.

    We've survived all the gender-neutral clothes we've had to face like t-shirts, jumpers and trousers, I think we'll survive this.

    I think this is very much about feminisation of men.


  • #4
    SEPT 23 1989
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    The answer is yellow and I'm too old for this absolute nonsense


  • #5
    Cathy.C
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    Femininity is just as much the enemy to these people as masculinity tbh.

    They believe it's all just social construct really and they're not for turning.


  • #6
    ArnieSilvia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭ArnieSilvia


    This type of clothing has always been available in continental Europe where people aren't concerned with blue-boys pink-girls nonsense. I always had colorful clothes as a kid. Can't stand when my Irish friends are commenting on me wearing pink shirts


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  • #7
    stefanovich
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    The answer is yellow and I'm too old for this absolute nonsense

    The clothes, the thread or both?


  • #8
    stefanovich
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    ArnieSilvia wrote: »
    This type of clothing has always been available in continental Europe where people aren't concerned with blue-boys pink-girls nonsense. I always had colorful clothes as a kid. Can't stand when my Irish friends are commenting on me wearing pink shirts

    This is specifically a "gender fluid" clothing line. Its not about pink shirts.


  • #9
    The King of Moo
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    I think this is very much about feminisation of men.

    Nah, it's just clothes.


  • #10
    Dravokivich
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    ArnieSilvia wrote: »
    This type of clothing has always been available in continental Europe where people aren't concerned with blue-boys pink-girls nonsense. I always had colorful clothes as a kid. Can't stand when my Irish friends are commenting on me wearing pink shirts

    The issue isn't the color, its the design of them. In the promo shot of the boy standing next to the woman, they are both dressed feminine. There is no sense of male expression in the mix there there. That isn't gender neutral, its bias.


  • #11
    stefanovich
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Nah, it's just clothes.

    Not just clothes. It is pushing this gender fluid nonsense.


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  • #12
    The King of Moo
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Not just clothes. It is pushing this gender fluid nonsense.

    But gender is fluid.

    Perhaps a young boy doesn't feel comfortable feeling pressure to conform to masculine stereotypes (look at the What makes people think your (sic) weird? thread to see evidence), or vice versa: might they not prefer these clothes?

    What's actually so bad about this option being available?


  • #13
    antodeco
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    Why can't people just wear what they like? Piss off with this gender neutral ****e.

    We've a gender neutral toilet in work. They should just call toilets "stand ups" and "sit downs"


  • #14
    eviltwin
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    Believe it or not OP not all girls want to wear pink dresses with Barbie on them. Not all boys want to wear Spiderman tops or football kits. My kids were reared in hand me downs and wore both boys and girls clothing. It didn't mess up their gender identity just as it didn't mess up ours when we were kids. Gender neutral clothing has always been there, it's just now it's got a hip title.


  • #15
    evolving_doors
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Not just clothes. It is pushing this gender fluid nonsense.

    I wouldn't say it's ' feminine ' clothing... Maybe it's the floral pattern trousers that offends folk! But I think we're over pink shirts on men now.

    A bita colour is no harm.


  • #16
    Cathy.C
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    If it's just another option in the store then I have no problem with that but some of these people, that I have seen over the years at least, take major issue with girls wanting to wear pink and that annoys me no end. No idea if this particular designer is of that percussion though.


  • #17
    Jack Killian
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Not just clothes. It is pushing this gender fluid nonsense.

    This.

    The company involved is obviously bandwaggoning the current "you're not actually a male you just 'identify' as one.

    I've no problem with someone choosing to be different, or letting them phrase things in relation to themselves as they see fit, but don't go changing my definition of me.

    They "got away with it" to some extent in the Marraige Referendum where it was somewhat less personal, but they're really pissing me off when they try to tell me that I'm not 'actually' male and only 'believe' that I am.

    I used to be open to letting people live and let live, but this rubbish is becoming "give them the inch that in fairness they deserve and......"


  • #18
    stefanovich
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Believe it or not OP not all girls want to wear pink dresses with Barbie on them. Not all boys want to wear Spiderman tops or football kits. My kids were reared in hand me downs and wore both boys and girls clothing. It didn't mess up their gender identity just as it didn't mess up ours when we were kids. Gender neutral clothing has always been there, it's just now it's got a hip title.

    Not stupid spiderman tops either. Normal clothes.

    I fairness the male teenagers I see nowadays look very feminine. With stupid Justin Bieber haircuts and skinny jeans.


  • #19
    Jack Killian
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    But gender is fluid.

    For some, maybe. Pretending that "one size fits all" and reworking language and phrasing so that it changes the definitions of everyone else is somewhat ironic; it wouldn't be accurate or sensible in clothing.


  • #20
    Panrich
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    But gender is fluid.

    Perhaps a young boy doesn't feel comfortable feeling pressure to conform to masculine stereotypes (look at the What makes people think your (sic) weird? thread to see evidence), or vice versa: might they not prefer these clothes?

    What's actually so bad about this option being available?

    That is the crux of the issue. Kids are all very different and some would wear these happily while others would not. Our friends young son loves wearing high heels and dresses while back in the day our young lad refused to use pink or yellow (?) crayons at his crèche.
    The only problem I can see is parents imposing their own choices on their kids who as the above examples show can have very clear gender philosophies from a young age. There might be an issue with teasing also as kids can be cruel.


  • #21
    stefanovich
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    But gender is fluid.

    Perhaps a young boy doesn't feel comfortable feeling pressure to conform to masculine stereotypes (look at the What makes people think your (sic) weird? thread to see evidence), or vice versa: might they not prefer these clothes?

    What's actually so bad about this option being available?

    Yes, this "its no big deal let them wear what they want" argument is dangerous. You can be guaranteed that some poor child's head will be royally ****ed by some irresponsible and "progressive" parents putting their boy in a skirt.


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  • #22
    eviltwin
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Not stupid spiderman tops either. Normal clothes.

    I fairness the male teenagers I see nowadays look very feminine. With stupid Justin Bieber haircuts and skinny jeans.

    That's fashion. All the lads I know had long hair growing up, it's nothing to do with their gender identity, it's just the fashion. You're over thinking it.


  • #23
    stefanovich
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    That's fashion. All the lads I know had long hair growing up, it's nothing to do with their gender identity, it's just the fashion. You're over thinking it.

    Yeah I had long hair too once. There was nothing feminine about the death metal crowd though.


  • #24
    Bob24
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    ArnieSilvia wrote: »
    This type of clothing has always been available in continental Europe where people aren't concerned with blue-boys pink-girls nonsense. I always had colorful clothes as a kid. Can't stand when my Irish friends are commenting on me wearing pink shirts

    Don't agree there.

    Being from France myself, what you are corrct about is that here there is a fixation on blue for boys and pink for girls which doesn't exist there.

    But still there are very clear and different product lines for girls and boys, with different cuts, colour sets, image printed on the clothes, etc depending on the gender.

    Very different from the OP's link.


  • #25
    The King of Moo
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    Jack Killian wrote: »
    This.

    The company involved is obviously bandwaggoning the current "you're not actually a male you just 'identify' as one.

    I've no problem with someone choosing to be different, or letting them phrase things in relation to themselves as they see fit, but don't go changing my definition of me.

    They "got away with it" to some extent in the Marraige Referendum where it was somewhat less personal, but they're really pissing me off when they try to tell me that I'm not 'actually' male and only 'believe' that I am.

    I used to be open to letting people live and let live, but this rubbish is becoming "give them the inch that in fairness they deserve and......"

    Who's telling you this?


  • #26
    Jack Killian
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    Just checked the photos in that; aside from looking ridiculous the leggings look like a chav who's going to the shop in her pyjamas.


  • #27
    stefanovich
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Who's telling you this?

    The cultural Marxists who are now rampant in the USA.


  • #28
    The King of Moo
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Yes, this "its no big deal let them wear what they want" argument is dangerous. You can be guaranteed that some poor child's head will be royally ****ed by some irresponsible and "progressive" parents putting their boy in a skirt.

    But they'd only be doing it if he wanted to wear it, so why would it cause him psychological damage?

    There are actually already men who wear women's clothes you know! :eek:


  • #29
    Jack Killian
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Who's telling you this?

    People who say that [my] "gender is fluid"


  • #30
    eviltwin
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Yeah I had long hair too once. There was nothing feminine about the death metal crowd though.

    That's the scene I was in. I was friends with Goths and rockers, we went totally over the top with our look. My husband used to wear make up in the style of Robert Smith. Wore very unmasculine clothing, got called gay for it but he's not got any issues with it. This is just about choice and nothing wrong with choice.


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  • #31
    stefanovich
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    That's the scene I was in. I was friends with Goths and rockers, we went totally over the top with our look. My husband used to wear make up in the style of Robert Smith. Wore very unmasculine clothing, got called gay for it but he's not got any issues with it. This is just about choice and nothing wrong with choice.

    True, I'm all for choice but what I am saying is the gender fluid ideology is not just about choice. They are defining their own language and trying to change things in society.

    I very much think it is an attack on the male. What's weird is that women generally go for the masculine man but they also push this crap.


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