Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

DrGuy · 18-05-2016 03:10PM

I think they should build a new station at Carnlough Road and New Cabra Road in Cabra. There's plenty of available space alongside the planned housing and commercial buildings, and I've created a Facebook page to help advance the project.

goingnowhere · 18-05-2016 03:35PM

That was always the plan, Irish Rail sold the land but retained enough for a station.

Of course someone needs to cough up the dough first

DrGuy · 18-05-2016 03:42PM

It's just getting enough local and political support for the project. It would also be an alternative to those want access to Drumcondra, Connolly, and the DART, but want to avoid Broombridge.

tba · 20-05-2016 09:21AM

I think in light of the interconnector being stalled/canned the PPT might be worth expanding more.

I would love to see some more station along the PPT

One thing people might be able to explain to me is why all the PPT trains will be going to connolly, rather than the Docklands.

Surely a new interchange in North Strand and East Wall, (also at the bachelor's factory in cabra) will link the PPT to both the existing DART and Green Luas.

This would one day allow an interchange when the interconnector goes in.

My ideas for possible city centre stops and interchanges based on what I have seen on the forums

This might be a stupid idea, but I love talking about this stuff!

LXFlyer · 20-05-2016 09:38AM

tba wrote: »

I think in light of the interconnector being stalled/canned the PPT might be worth expanding more.

I would love to see some more station along the PPT

One thing people might be able to explain to me is why all the PPT trains will be going to connolly, rather than the Docklands.

Surely a new interchange in North Strand and East Wall, (also at the bachelor's factory in cabra) will link the PPT to both the existing DART and Green Luas.

This would one day allow an interchange when the interconnector goes in.

My ideas for possible city centre stops and interchanges based on what I have seen on the forums

This might be a stupid idea, but I love talking about this stuff!

The PPT trains will all be going to Grand Canal Dock via Connolly utilising some of the extra paths facilitated by the completion of the city centre resignalling project.

The whole point is to bring people closer to the city centre and the CBD.

You would have to install a new scissors junction at Glasnevin Junction to allow access to Docklands and that (along with the associated signalling works) would not be cheap. It would also mean having to miss out Drumcondra Station as the only way of reaching Docklands station is via the line along the Royal Canal.

Bear in mind that this is a project that is being delivered for a relatively (and this is important) low cost using the existing infrastructure. Any of the ideas that you are espousing would involve significant additional cost.

marcus2000 · 20-05-2016 10:35AM

Speaking of new stations, and I know it's been half-mentioned before, but could there not be a way of perhaps detaching Platform 10 from Heuston (I understand that it's too far from the main station to be viable as it is) but introducing it as a "Clancy Quay" station. I know nothing about costs etc, but from Google Maps alone, granting access through the Clancy Quay development looks straight forward.

(im being entirely selfish here, as It would greatly help me!! )

MrMorooka · 20-05-2016 10:47AM

I don't see the point in crayoning when there is a plan that is fully planned and scoped and had planning permission already done, it was just never funded. The problem is not the plan, it's the lack of political will to fund anything.

Jamie2k9 · 20-05-2016 10:56AM

marcus2000 wrote: »

Speaking of new stations, and I know it's been half-mentioned before, but could there not be a way of perhaps detaching Platform 10 from Heuston (I understand that it's too far from the main station to be viable as it is) but introducing it as a "Clancy Quay" station. I know nothing about costs etc, but from Google Maps alone, granting access through the Clancy Quay development looks straight forward.

(im being entirely selfish here, as It would greatly help me!! )

They could however I don't expect major demand for an hourly service so not really worth the costs and it will add a bit of time to services as well.

tba · 20-05-2016 11:08AM

lxflyer wrote: »

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The whole point is to bring people closer to the city centre and the CBD.

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What about a stop (bachelors Factory),that facilitates direct access to the Green Line, as well as a switch between, the Maynooth and Sallins line, that does not need to go all the way into the city. Get people to switch further out and reduce traffic a bit?

The Cross city line is currently only linked at Boombridge and Abbey Street.

ALso, I though that Glasnevin already had a scissor junction? https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3658411,-6.2755054,35m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Jamie2k9 · 20-05-2016 11:19AM

tba wrote: »

What about a stop (bachelors Factory),that facilitates direct access to the Green Line, as well as a switch between, the Maynooth and Sallins line, that does not need to go all the way into the city. Get people to switch further out and reduce traffic a bit?

The Cross city line is currently only linked at Boombridge and Abbey Street.

ALso, I though that Glasnevin already had a scissor junction? https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3658411,-6.2755054,35m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

That just a normal junction,

IT would need one of these
https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Dublin+Heuston/@53.3460659,-6.2990344,60m/data=!3m2!1e3!5s0x48670c362da86639:0xd088afecb61766cc!4m5!3m4!1s0x48670c485a02dadf:0xec8c72e9fde00239!8m2!3d53.346231!4d-6.2928402?hl=en

I would be all for it for operational flexibility but I guess terminating at Heuston will be done for that instead.

LXFlyer · 20-05-2016 11:20AM

tba wrote: »

What about a stop (bachelors Factory),that facilitates direct access to the Green Line, as well as a switch between, the Maynooth and Sallins line, that does not need to go all the way into the city. Get people to switch further out and reduce traffic a bit?

The Cross city line is currently only linked at Boombridge and Abbey Street.

ALso, I though that Glasnevin already had a scissor junction? https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3658411,-6.2755054,35m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

At the risk of repeating myself the only reason this project got a green light is because it is LOW cost. Adding multiple stations will make the journey too long and the works too expensive.

Glasnevin Junction is not a scissors junction - it only allows trains from the Sligo line take one or other route. Trains from Heuston must go via Drumcondra, which is where people wishing to go to Maynooth line stations can change.

Col_30 · 20-05-2016 12:24PM

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

Banjoxed · 20-05-2016 12:52PM

Col_30 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

We'll probably only hear just before the service is launched. This of course will be subject to the usual agreements with the unions. Is it still likely to be September, or before Christmas?

Col_30 · 20-05-2016 01:35PM

Banjoxed wrote: »

We'll probably only hear just before the service is launched. This of course will be subject to the usual agreements with the unions. Is it still likely to be September, or before Christmas?

Thanks. I'll be at the mercy of the Luas drivers until next year so :rolleyes:

LXFlyer · 20-05-2016 01:40PM

Col_30 wrote: »

Thanks. I'll be at the mercy of the Luas drivers until next year so :rolleyes:

Is the 25b not any use?

Col_30 · 20-05-2016 02:00PM

lxflyer wrote: »

Is the 25b not any use?

I'm near the 25x, 25a/b. But I gave up using them. As people have been going back to work in the last few years they have gotten too busy. With the train/luas option, I can get the train at 8:12 (when it's on time) and be in work well before 9. I would have to get a bus at 7:30 to be in for 9. It's too early for me and who wants to sit on a Dublin bus for over an hour? I hate buses as a rule.

LXFlyer · 20-05-2016 02:04PM

Col_30 wrote: »

I'm near the 25x, 25a/b. But I gave up using them. As people have been going back to work in the last few years they have gotten too busy. With the train/luas option, I can get the train at 8:12 (when it's on time) and be in work well before 9. I would have to get a bus at 7:30 to be in for 9. It's too early for me and who wants to sit on a Dublin bus for over an hour? I hate buses as a rule.

There is a new route (inbound only) that avoids going around Foxborough - 25d - and takes the Newcastle Rd from Adamstown - it's on the 25b timetable that may be of use.

Just trying to help. Plenty of people have no choice but to use the bus into Dublin.

Col_30 · 20-05-2016 02:13PM

lxflyer wrote: »

There is a new route (inbound only) that avoids going around Foxborough - 25d - and takes the Newcastle Rd from Adamstown - it's on the 25b timetable that may be of use.

Just trying to help. Plenty of people have no choice but to use the bus into Dublin.

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. I haven't tried the 25D. I've never actually seen one. It seems to be a really limited service. I have an annual leap for the train, so I'll be sticking with it I think. I'm pinning all my hopes on the new route through PTT. I really hope the journey times are not ridiculous. I'm happy enough with my current arrangement and I think they are retaining the current trains, so if PTT doesn't work out, I'll revert back to the 8:12 from Adamstown.

LXFlyer · 20-05-2016 02:34PM

Col_30 wrote: »

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. I haven't tried the 25D. I've never actually seen one. It seems to be a really limited service. I have an annual leap for the train, so I'll be sticking with it I think. I'm pinning all my hopes on the new route through PTT. I really hope the journey times are not ridiculous. I'm happy enough with my current arrangement and I think they are retaining the current trains, so if PTT doesn't work out, I'll revert back to the 8:12 from Adamstown.

To go back to your original question, I would imagine that you're looking at a journey time from Adamstown to Tara St of about 30 minutes.

20-05-2016 06:09PM

Col_30 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

I sent an email to irishrail and the reply was sometime late October, I posted it back a few pages.

Banjoxed · 20-05-2016 06:18PM

lxflyer wrote: »

There is a new route (inbound only) that avoids going around Foxborough - 25d - and takes the Newcastle Rd from Adamstown - it's on the 25b timetable that may be of use.

Just trying to help. Plenty of people have no choice but to use the bus into Dublin.

I spent years being stuck on buses at various pinch points between Celbridge, Leixlip and Dublin. That and late buses trundling at thirty miles an hour between Lucan and Celbridge. Dublin Bus on the west side of the City became transport of last resort for me.

LXFlyer · 20-05-2016 06:30PM

Banjoxed wrote: »

I spent years being stuck on buses at various pinch points between Celbridge, Leixlip and Dublin. That and late buses trundling at thirty miles an hour between Lucan and Celbridge. Dublin Bus on the west side of the City became transport of last resort for me.

Well I spent 3.5 years commuting on the N4 too - mercifully most of it after the Network Direct changes and the increased priority for buses through Chapelizod - it has improved dramatically.

Jamie2k9 · 20-05-2016 11:21PM

Col_30 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

I expect a minimum of 40 minutes, current services to Heuston are 20 minutes and while some padding. You are still looking at 15 to Tunnel entrance, 15 to Connolly and probably around 10 to GCD. You will then have time build prehaps at least 5 minutes. Speed through the tunnel will be a big factor in timing.

tabbey · 20-05-2016 11:45PM

Col_30 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

Whatever about scheduled times, there will have to be some provision for signal checks at Glasnevin Junction, North Strand Junction, and the other usual suspects.

Hopefully these will be eased by the more logical reversing procedure at GCD, when work there is completed.

n97 mini · 21-05-2016 09:25AM

lxflyer wrote: »

There is a new route (inbound only) that avoids going around Foxborough - 25d - and takes the Newcastle Rd from Adamstown - it's on the 25b timetable that may be of use.

Must be good political representation in Lucan. 67/66 are tortuous as they still call to areas that the 25a/b used to but have since bypassed. And now they're bypassing even more!

LXFlyer · 21-05-2016 09:40AM

n97 mini wrote: »

Must be good political representation in Lucan. 67/66 are tortuous as they still call to areas that the 25a/b used to but have since bypassed. And now they're bypassing even more!

Well something has to still serve Chapelizod at a relatively high frequency. They do that using the 26, 66/a/b and 67.

At peak times there are the 66x and 67x so people can avoid Chapelizod.

Off-peak the time difference is minimal - 5 minutes at most by going via Chapelizod.

n97 mini · 21-05-2016 09:55AM

lxflyer wrote: »

Well something has to still serve Chapelizod at a relatively high frequency. They do that using the 26, 66/a/b and 67.

At peak times there are the 66x and 67x so people can avoid Chapelizod.

Off-peak the time difference is minimal - 5 minutes at most by going via Chapelizod.

When DB were talking about either the 25a/b or 66/67 bypassing Chapelizod it baffled everyone out here that they selected the shorter routes.

66x and 67x are only peak time as you say, and cost more.

IrishZeus · 30-05-2016 09:22PM

Has there been any recent update on when the tunnel might start operating? Ive had a look around but cant seem to find anything current.

(Apologies if I'm being thick!)

Jamie2k9 · 30-05-2016 09:27PM

IrishZeus wrote: »

Has there been any recent update on when the tunnel might start operating? Ive had a look around but cant seem to find anything current.

(Apologies if I'm being thick!)

October/November at earliest, there will be a new timetable for Heuston services before anything happens.

Grandeeod · 30-05-2016 09:29PM

IrishZeus wrote: »

Has there been any recent update on when the tunnel might start operating? Ive had a look around but cant seem to find anything current.

(Apologies if I'm being thick!)

You are not being thick. It depends on the progress of the signalling/engineering works and then on the "unions" in relation to drivers doing a job that they are paid to do.

Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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