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bringing dishes back after restaurant/cafe meal

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  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In a pub! Forget McDonald's, new scenario

    Generally I don't drink in bars ever really, Id stop in for some food now and again or to watch a match. Regarding the question the answer is no, I would not rip up the coaster and stick it into the glass. In the same sense I wouldn't rip up all my fast food wrappers and make it harder for the person to collect it.

    I am not really that emotionally invested in this whole argument because I dont generally go to fast food places, but surely service is included in the price? and does service not also include cleaning up after me? Isn't it the fact that when you go out to eat that they cook/clean for you and you pay them for that service, isn't that the whole reason people actually go to McDonalds/KFC etc to eat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,284 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    In a fast food place I'd always tidy up after myself.
    One thing tough I did a small bit of resteraunt work and I know of people landed messy plates on the counter it would have driven me mad. Firstly because it looks bad to customers coming in and there's already somebody else there to do it. Chances are the boss would snap the head off you of he saw the dirty plates.
    I remember talking to a girl who worked in a very good hotel. She hated plate stackers because people didn't clear the plates properly or they were too heavy and when your working in a good hotel your expected to carry the plate in a certain way and if you didn't you could get given out to.
    So, I wouldn't do it in a hotel!


  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The new fast food place I'd always tidy up after myself.
    One thing tough I did a small bit of resteraunt work and I know of people landed messy plates on the counter it would have driven me made. Firstly because it looks bad to customers coming in and there's already somebody else there to do it. Chances are the boss would snap the head off you of he saw the dirty plates.
    I remember talking to a girl who worked in a very good hotel. She hated plate stickers because people didn't clear the plates properly or they were too heavyand when your working in a good hotel your expected to carry the plate in a certain way and of you didn't you could get given out to.
    So, I wouldn't do it in a hotel!

    What do you mean by plate stickers?
    Not trolling or anything, just genuinely interested :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭1moo345


    No way, fast food places are nearly charging as much as restaurants these days. I got ribs and chips in a restaurant with orange juice this week and it cost me €15, I got a meal in KFC and it cost 11 :/



    If Mconalds/KFC/Burger King etc want to charge nearly as much as a real restaurant for ****ty fast food then dont expect me to clean after myself. Granted if I get good service and the staff are polite then I will feel guilty and clean up after myself, but I very rarely get polite/good service at these places. Not that I can blame the staff I worked in these places before and hated the job.
    does service not also include cleaning up after me?

    No! Fast food outlets are not a service restaurant. You are paying eleven euro for a quick, crappy meal. By choice (in general, no you personally btw). Trust me, after ten hours of running from the till, to tables, to the prep area, and back fifty million times, one person acting like a human being and cleaning the mess they have made will cheer you up that little bit to keep going. They are going to clean the tables, mop the floors, change the bins, clean every window in the place, clean the bathrooms, and the whole area behind the counter (which is definitely the procedure in both KFC and McDs, not sure about others), they ARE getting paid to do that.

    Honestly, the people working there aren't even getting the price of a meal per hour, and expected to do the work of two or three people. Not your problem, maybe. But if everyone had a helpful attitude towards others in general the world would be much better place.

    Ok, it's not your job and there's no obligation at all. It's just nice that some people do try and help others.

    I will always bring the plates/cups back in a cafe. Not necessary, but maybe it's because I have worked in food service I know that a little thing like that will cheer up someones day even a little bit, so I like to do it for others.

    But in all fairness, if you go to a fast food restaurant and don't clean a tray that you have used, that's pretty bad. I don't know why anyone thinks that is ok. If you were that bothered about the prices/service/other conditions then you wouldn't go there at all.

    I realise sometimes the service can be just ****ty, but the majority of people try their best. They don't want to be there any more than you do and no one chooses a job in fast food. There's nothing wrong with it, I just know from experience that it's not something anyone could stick out for a long period of time without going insane, purely because people think they have the right to treat you like crap, because you're below them in a ****ty job.

    It's a bad attitude to have, period.

    I just feel like I needed to get that out so, again, it isn't at you in general - the post just got me thinking. I am speaking from personal experience and aswell and know how soul destroying it can be, so I always try and have compassion for people stuck where I once was.


  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    1moo345 wrote: »
    Honestly, the people working there aren't even getting the price of a meal per hour, and expected to do the work of two or three people. Not your problem, maybe. But if everyone had a helpful attitude towards others in general the world would be much better place.

    Ok, it's not your job and there's no obligation at all. It's just nice that some people do try and help others.

    I will always bring the plates/cups back in a cafe. Not necessary, but maybe it's because I have worked in food service I know that a little thing like that will cheer up someones day even a little bit, so I like to do it for others.

    But in all fairness, if you go to a fast food restaurant and don't clean a tray that you have used, that's pretty bad. I don't know why anyone thinks that is ok. If you were that bothered about the prices/service/other conditions then you wouldn't go there at all.

    I realise sometimes the service can be just ****ty, but the majority of people try their best. They don't want to be there any more than you do and no one chooses a job in fast food. There's nothing wrong with it, I just know from experience that it's not something anyone could stick out for a long period of time without going insane, purely because people think they have the right to treat you like crap, because you're below them in a ****ty job.

    It's a bad attitude to have, period.
    I have worked in food service myself as I stated above. I treat the staff very nicely, always talk to them nice and treat them well. I was them before and I could be again, so I don't think I am above anyone.

    I just think part of the service that I am paying for is being cleaned after, that is in the price of the meal..... it would frigging have to be 10 euro for a meal in KFC :O I just would assume at that price surely clean up is included in the price?

    On another note, serious question if everyone cleans up after themselves will McDonalds still give people the same amount of hours/ hire same amount of people? or will they cut hours/jobs because they don't need as much staff because everyone is cleaning up after themsevles? Are you helping out the worker or are you helping out the corporation by cleaning up after yourself?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,284 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    What do you mean by plate stickers?
    Not trolling or anything, just genuinely interested :o


    Sorry, I meant stackers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭1moo345


    I have worked in food service myself as I stated above. I treat the staff very nicely, always talk to them nice and treat them well. I was them before and I could be again, so I don't think I am above anyone.

    I just think part of the service that I am paying for is being cleaned after, that is in the price of the meal..... it would frigging have to be 10 euro for a meal in KFC :O I just would assume at that price surely clean up is included in the price?

    On another note, serious question if everyone cleans up after themselves will McDonalds still give people the same amount of hours/ hire same amount of people? or will they cut hours/jobs because they don't need as much staff because everyone is cleaning up after themsevles? Are you helping out the worker or are you helping out the corporation by cleaning up after yourself?

    Sorry I got on a bit of a rant there :( not directed at you, just people in general.

    I agree that the price of the meals are outrageous, and have seen how little they actually buy the products in for, they make a huge amount of profit. It is extortionate and it made my blood boil.

    To be honest, at least in my experiences, they would ALWAYS be understaffed. Always. So that one person behind the till, is also compensating for another three staff that SHOULD be there. It's so wrong, and the staff always get the brunt of it, because it is very easy to get overwhelmed. And, although you may be doing the best job in the world, there is only so much one human being can do. As a result, you probably know, with a line of ten customers, and only one other person making the product for you, that one mess on a table is just another excuse for a megalomaniac manager to come and scream at you in front of customers... (Also, not generalizing management there, I was in a mgmt role and seen it all too often...)

    Each to their own, I just know how bad it feels so I will try to help.

    Working in fast food makes you hate people. Not even just customers. The majority of the time, staff are treated ten times worse by their superiors than any customer.


  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    1moo345 wrote: »
    Sorry I got on a bit of a rant there :( not directed at you, just people in general.

    I agree that the price of the meals are outrageous, and have seen how little they actually buy the products in for, they make a huge amount of profit. It is extortionate and it made my blood boil.

    To be honest, at least in my experiences, they would ALWAYS be understaffed. Always. So that one person behind the till, is also compensating for another three staff that SHOULD be there. It's so wrong, and the staff always get the brunt of it, because it is very easy to get overwhelmed. And, although you may be doing the best job in the world, there is only so much one human being can do. As a result, you probably know, with a line of ten customers, and only one other person making the product for you, that one mess on a table is just another excuse for a megalomaniac manager to come and scream at you in front of customers... (Also, not generalizing management there, I was in a mgmt role and seen it all to often...)

    Each to their own, I just know how bad it feels so I will try to help.

    Working in fast food makes you hate people. Not even just customers. The majority of the time, staff are treated ten times worse by their superiors than any customer.

    Yeah, if McDonalds wants to cut down on more staff and have me clean up after myself than give me that Big Mac meal for 5 euro :pac: (I am just using McDonalds as an example). I actually very rarely go to generic fast food like McDonalds/KFC etc, I much prefer local Fish and Chips type places if I am going to get fast food.

    For sure I know how bad staff get treated, I got treated like total crap when working in fast food. I truly do admire people who can stick out that job long term (I couldn't) and I don't go to fast food places in busy cities so places I go are normally quite empty or at least not anywhere near full.

    Anyway, I gave my opinion on this thread and explain my reasoning behind it. As I said in very first post, if staff seem nice I will clean up after myself...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Generally I don't drink in bars ever really, Id stop in for some food now and again or to watch a match. Regarding the question the answer is no, I would not rip up the coaster and stick it into the glass. In the same sense I wouldn't rip up all my fast food wrappers and make it harder for the person to collect it.

    I am not really that emotionally invested in this whole argument because I dont generally go to fast food places, but surely service is included in the price? and does service not also include cleaning up after me? Isn't it the fact that when you go out to eat that they cook/clean for you and you pay them for that service, isn't that the whole reason people actually go to McDonalds/KFC etc to eat.

    I just mean tis nice to be nice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭1moo345


    Yeah, I do get where you are coming from.
    For sure I know how bad staff get treated, I got treated like total crap when working in fast food. I truly do admire people who can stick out that job long term (I couldn't)

    You and me both... I have never been as unhappy in my life as I was in fast food!


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  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I just mean tis nice to be nice

    tis


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Chocolate fiend


    In fast food restaurants I would always clean up and get the kids to do the same (8,7 and 4) but, in actual restaurants I don't stack plates or put them anywhere, in fact I can't even think of where you would put plates etc in any of the restaurants we go to.

    If we were out for a drink we would put the glasses on the bar before we leave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    It's been quiet for five hours , anyone else want to quote what they do in restaurants ?

    I, myself bring , a tube of superglue with me when I'm eating out and glue the plates to the table when I'm finished eating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    In some of the McDonalds in London they have a member of staff on the floor whose job it is to go around collecting and emptying trays. I think a lot of the impetus people feel to tidy away their stuff in McDonalds comes from the fact they try and condition it into you as something that is right and proper to do. Personally I think they can f*ck off, as someone else said above, they can hire more staff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Shint0


    If I was working in a restaurant and which I have done I would prefer customers didn't clear after themselves. I prefer to be kept really busy. If there is less to do dead time can make a day really long. I work much more effectively and efficiently when I'm really busy and working in fast paced environments is the most ideal for me and suits me best. Otherwise I can be a lazy sack. There's no in between. That's just me though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    In a restaurant there are staff for that, so I'd just do stuff like put the cutlery on the plates or put used napkins on plates.

    In a cafe, I might bring the cups up to the counter if nobody had come to take them as we were leaving.

    In a fast food place, just put all the stuff on the tray and dump it in the bin. Use a napkin to tidy up any spilled sauce or whatever.

    Leaving the tray and wrapping and stuff on the table and just walking out is a w@nker thing to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    If you bring your own from the counter, and there is a collection area accessible by customers, then yes. Otherwise no.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    In a fast food place I'd always bus my tray, and if I'm there with people who don't, I'd bus thier's as well.

    I don't clean up the chips I drop on the floor though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭dub_skav


    Boom_Bap wrote: »

    I don't clean up the chips I drop on the floor though.
    5 second rule?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    dub_skav wrote: »
    5 second rule?
    I only obey that rule in my kitchen.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭RhubarbCrumble


    osarusan wrote: »

    Leaving the tray and wrapping and stuff on the table and just walking out is a w@nker thing to do.

    It really is. I think it's the height of bad manners and I can't believe the amount of people who do it. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Robsweezie


    It really is. I think it's the height of bad manners and I can't believe the amount of people who do it.


    I think the reasoning behind it is "sure it's only mcdonalds"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,423 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    I hate going out for a meal with my family because half of them are plate stackers, and it wrecks my head. You've just finished your meal and they start putting one on top of another.

    "And can I have yours there, please?" sez one of 'them'.

    No, you can't! That pile of plates is already too high and probably too heavy or awkward for the person collecting them. I'm sure they have their own system, and you're messing with it. So you're going to try to balance that bowl and that jug on top too? Okay, try it but I'm keeping my plate in front of me!

    What I really say is "No, it's okay. I'll hand to the person myself." and ignore any other attempts by them to take it off me. I'm really a serene sort of person...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    I worked in restaurants for years.
    If nothing else I appreciate the good will, and if a customer leaves feeling like they've "done a good deed" then result, you want happy customers.

    But as the question was asked...whether they're actually helping is another matter... (It's really hit-or-miss)

    You can't really expect a customer to understand what systems are in place, so although "helping" may be helpful, it often isn't and a "do nothing" approach is usually best.
    Just don't make an unholy mess of the table/floor and the worker will be happy.

    For instance, you probably got a baffled look when bringing plates etc. to the counter because that's where the clean stuff goes, not the dirty stuff. The server has to take them, bring then behind the counter which they really shouldn't do, but kind of has to out of politeness. Then go put them in the right place (which might cause a head-ache for the person clearing tables) and go wash their hands before getting back to serving. In total it's more work for them, and you've made them break a few food hygiene rules.

    If you do bring it to the right place then this might well be useful, but it might also overload the space for person clearing/sorting dirty stuff and be a head-ache. They'll also be wondering where the hell you were sitting, in case there's a dirty table out there that where a customer might end up.

    There's also other points about stacking etc. that have been mentioned and again could go either way (but you'll never be able to predict which). But this post is to long already.

    Ultimately, you're going in and paying for a service which always (even in McDonalds) includes some level of table service. just go with it, there's no need to feel guilty


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭MarcoAntonio23


    I've always done it, my OH complains when I do, it's just the way I was brought up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I don't clean up after myself at home, so I'm not going to do it in public either.

    If the place is busy they'll likely have someone cleaning anyway. Making the employees work harder cleaning up my crap is going to put the pressure on them to find a better job. So really, I'm doing them a favour.


    I'd leave back my glass in a quiet bar if I'm not sitting at the bar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Making the employees work harder cleaning up my crap is going to put the pressure on them to find a better job.

    What if they're happy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    In a fast food place I would, usually mean binning everything and placing a tray on top.

    But cafe's and the like usually don't have anything such area to drop stuff off, so I don't as where every I put it isn't any more convenient than the table.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    I take mine to the dish tray in a cafe, sometimes other customers plates (even if they are not finished..for the laugh. :))


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    What if they're happy?
    Well then they need some misery in their lives. I want my fast food restaurant servers to have that fake smile that almost begs you not to be a complete **** to them because they're at breaking point.

    I don't really see how anyone can do front line sales without going completely mad.


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