Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

MilesMorales1 · 16-05-2016 10:15AM

They haven't give up on it despite us hardly getting any games for it this year or next before the release of NX? Come on Nintendo.

Andrew76 · 16-05-2016 10:37AM

Myrddin wrote: »

When Nintendo say they've a new way to play games, tbh I get worried.

Yeah that worries me also. 'a new way of playing games' using something that isn't a successor to traditional consoles/handhelds - what the hell is that? Nintendo emulation software or streaming service? Play Zelda and Mario via our 'NX' software on your tablet/phone or our new 'NX' compatible devices? Hope not.

Larger impact to me means they expect it to sell much more than the Wii-U - are they targetimg mobile and it's massive userbase?

Hopefully I'm well wide of the mark but there's an awful whiff of mobile from these vague snipits of info we're getting.

Myrddin · 16-05-2016 10:45AM

Star Lord wrote: »

Sales, people won't be buying Wii U or Wii U games as much once the NX is out...

Ah, well that's good if that's what they mean...though you'd swear the Wii U is churning out massive sales & affecting it will be a bad thing!

Again, if their 'new way to play games' doesn't involve a powerful console with a solid well designed joypad...colour me worried.

sligeach · 16-05-2016 10:47AM

Star Lord wrote: »

Sales, people won't be buying Wii U or Wii U games as much once the NX is out...

Ya they should cut the price of Wii U. When was the last price cut? It's at least a year. The Wii U must be cheaper to produce now and they can make up the difference from their catalogue of games now.

Pac1Man · 16-05-2016 11:16AM

We have to ask, who are Nintendo targeting with this console? Maybe there is too much ground to make up and the market share is too small to release a conventional console?

Would current gamers (non-Nintendo heads) really shell out ~€400 just to play Nintendo exclusives? I don't believe so since they haven't done so with the WiiU.

Of the current gen, I own a PS4 and a WiiU so it makes zero difference to me that the WiiU does not share the third party multi-plat games. For the same reasoning, it wouldn't make me buy an NX.

Nintendo are possibly forced to offer something unique which would target the whole gaming audience as opposed to their core fans and those who have not bought a current gen console yet, which wouldn't be many.

I feel they have missed the boat if they wanted to release a conventional high powered console that appeals to the masses.

Myrddin · 16-05-2016 11:58AM

Pac1Man wrote: »

I feel they have missed the boat if they wanted to release a conventional high powered console that appeals to the masses.

I'm starting to feel the same. The PS4K looks like it will wipe the floor with the NX specs wise, so already they're playing second fiddle & they're not even outta the traps yet. I just don't get why their intentionally releasing underpowered systems these last few years, give it enough horsepower so enthusiasts will take note, but support the hell out of it so that everyone can have a slice of the pie. I know the Wii was a massive, massive, massive hit for Nintendo...but I'm starting to think it was also the worst thing that could have happened to them - they've spent the last few years chasing that gimmicky success they had, without realising that it was an anomaly/fluke more than anything.

Star Lord · 16-05-2016 01:07PM

Don't forget the 'gimmick' with this could be the much rumoured console / handheld nature of the NX...

CiDeRmAn · 16-05-2016 01:20PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Be funny if it was VR all along...

No ciderman don't mention the virtual boy.

Too late!!!!

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Myrddin · 16-05-2016 01:28PM

Star Lord wrote: »

Don't forget the 'gimmick' with this could be the much rumoured console / handheld nature of the NX...

Hopefully that is the case, as it's something that definitely would be unique (aka new way to play games)....and not some mad type of eye lash controller or some crap.

Banjo · 16-05-2016 01:32PM

What if.... what if hte NX isn't a gaming platform at all? What if it's basically an MiB device that will wipe all of your gaming memories from the last 5 or 6 years so that they can have a second go at launching the Wii U?
It's the culmination of years of research based on the secret phone-home functionality of Dr Kawashima's Brain Training - they now know every bump and crevice of your pre-frontal lobe and how to reset it back to it's soupy default state.

Myrddin · 16-05-2016 02:11PM

Banjo wrote: »

What if.... what if hte NX isn't a gaming platform at all? What if it's basically an MiB device that will wipe all of your gaming memories from the last 5 or 6 years so that they can have a second go at launching the Wii U?
It's the culmination of years of research based on the secret phone-home functionality of Dr Kawashima's Brain Training - they now know every bump and crevice of your pre-frontal lobe and how to reset it back to it's soupy default state.

You could then restore certain memories by buying Memoriibos

Corholio · 16-05-2016 02:32PM

The brute force hardware wise was never the direction Nintendo was going, rightly or wrongly, and haven't gone in quite a while. I'm not sure it would be productive to do so anyway to be an attempted power competitor to PS4. Sony's base is well built now and it'd be playing catch up in that regard. Saying that, I hope Nintendo don't put themselves at a disadvantage power wise either like they did with the Wii U, I still hope it's quite a powerful machine that companies will want to develop for.

murphyebass · 16-05-2016 02:36PM

The NX is rumoured to be a joint venture with Sega.

Nintendo have decided that their old rival could be the very ones to put them back on top after being toppled by Sony and MS in recent years.

Insiders have revealed the new console will be twice as powerful as a Mars bar.

Experts say the new machine dubbed the "SuperhyperflyinghappybeanflickerWii" is sure to be an overwhelming success based on the low price point of €10 less than its competitors. ... maybe.

It may not be as powerful but it has fantastic new controller in the shape of a giraffe which can also be turned into an amiibo by sticking your ..

.... coming to a store near you some time in 2017 or so.... maybe.

Myrddin · 16-05-2016 02:44PM

Corholio wrote: »

The brute force hardware wise was never the direction Nintendo was going, rightly or wrongly, and haven't gone in quite a while. I'm not sure it would be productive to do so anyway to be an attempted power competitor to PS4. Sony's base is well built now and it'd be playing catch up in that regard. Saying that, I hope Nintendo don't put themselves at a disadvantage power wise either like they did with the Wii U, I still hope it's quite a powerful machine that companies will want to develop for.

If the Wii U demonstrated anything to us, it's that less power negatively affects perceptions, that negatively impacts upon sales, & that negatively impacts third party interest. The last time Nintendo was truly relevant as a gaming console (in the eyes of third parties, the great unwashed etc), was the Gamecube. Since then, it's been gimmick central...they really need to fix their image.

CiDeRmAn · 16-05-2016 04:33PM

I think we have now an avalanche of rumour and little or none of it will be true.
All we can really do is wait for the console to be formally unveiled, and it's launch titles shown, even then it'll be only when we see the games to come and the support it is to have, not to mention the opportunity to try it for ourselves before we can make any kind of call on the system's chances.
I would say that the PS4 hardware update is very unfortunate, for Nintendo and MS, as it puts what was already the console standard bearer that much further out of reach.
The PS4 is fast becoming the new PS2, that is the console to own of this gen, having essentially tied with the 360 in the last gen, if the PS4 Neo is going to be even better, even marginally, then it will certainly win the schoolyard/casual gamer war and it'll be up to the Xbox and Ninty fans to buy into the other products on the market.

That said....
The overwhelming success of the DS/3DS brand as the portable console, I was going to say "of choice" but there isn't really any choice, means that if Nintendo can cash in, bringing a home console to market that will integrate with the handheld, lowering the cost of entry to the home machine, then the NX could be the thing to own.
Rather than own a €300 home console and a €200 handheld they could reduce it to a €200 home console and a €150 handheld, or less, bring some integration to the eshop and give to public what they really want, a Pokemon RPG at home, Nintendo could make a pile of cash.

All we really need is some sort of announcement....
So come on Nintendo, FFS!

Myrddin · 16-05-2016 04:54PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

All we can really do is wait for the console to be formally unveiled, and it's launch titles shown

Yup, and once again, Nintendo pull a Nintendo & won't be at E3 :rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm clearly still at stage 2

Nollog · 18-05-2016 12:22PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Rather than own a 300 home console and a 200 handheld they could reduce it to a 200 home console and a 150 handheld, or less

How would one feel about a 450 console with a handheld controller? You get both in the same box for a little less in total.

After Kimi-kun's last interview, I don't think it's just a hybrid or anything simple. I think it may be another revolution.

sligeach · 18-05-2016 12:52PM

It's got to have some hook. Launching mid generation and just doing what the competition does won't work. And they wouldn't be Nintendo if there isn't some kind of new innovation. Possibly why they're waiting so late to reveal it for fear of being copied.

CiDeRmAn · 18-05-2016 01:02PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

How would one feel about a 450 console with a handheld controller? You get both in the same box for a little less in total.

After Kimi-kun's last interview, I don't think it's just a hybrid or anything simple. I think it may be another revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8CZgaveY_o

CiDeRmAn · 18-05-2016 01:04PM

sligeach wrote: »

It's got to have some hook. Launching mid generation and just doing what the competition does won't work. And they wouldn't be Nintendo if there isn't some kind of new innovation. Possibly why they're waiting so late to reveal it for fear of being copied.

Half Life 3!!
NX Exclusive!!!!

MilesMorales1 · 18-05-2016 01:15PM

Don't know if I want a hook. No more gimmicks. Just give us a good console.

Mr E · 18-05-2016 01:17PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Don't know if I want a hook. No more gimmicks. Just give us a good console.

... and third party support.

MilesMorales1 · 18-05-2016 01:19PM

I don't care about 3rd party support personally. But yes, that too.

I mean have we all played a lot of 3rd party output recently? Like from the big studios? Feels like a whole lot of ****e. Course thats what sells, but I'm not a business I'm a consumer.

Myrddin · 18-05-2016 02:15PM

sligeach wrote: »

And they wouldn't be Nintendo if there isn't some kind of new innovation.

Nintendo and gimmicks innovation is a fairly new pairing. Everything, up until the Wii, was a traditional console that just did what it did & did it well. It was only when the Wii arrived (and after poor sales of the Gamecube), they got all gimmicky & this sense of Nintendo being an innovator was born (strictly speaking of home consoles, I know they had good & bad success with innovation of handhelds etc).

It's almost like they feel they can't complete with the others, & so have to have some useless 'hook' to sell their hardware. I've said it for a long time, but I think they need to go back to basics here - a solid, powerful console, a well designed controller, a kick ass account system, and modernised online presence, the usual quality of first party support, and plenty of third party support too. Just give me that & I'm sold.

Star Lord · 18-05-2016 02:55PM

Nintendo have almost always been innovative with their controllers, just in other ways, that got adopted by others to become the "traditional" controls. They came up with the D-pad, shoulder buttons, the thumbstick, vibration feedback, the Gamecube is probably the first one where it wasn't really that innovative. (Though the wavebird was a first for console RF controllers.) It was at least as powerful as, if not more powerful than the PS2 and the Xbox, yet that got them nowhere. So they went back to being innovative with their controllers again with the Wii and it's motion controls, and the Wii U with it's touch-screen/second screen.

sligeach · 18-05-2016 03:12PM

Star Lord wrote: »

Nintendo have almost always been innovative with their controllers, just in other ways, that got adopted by others to become the "traditional" controls. They came up with the D-pad, shoulder buttons, the thumbstick, vibration feedback, the Gamecube is probably the first one where it wasn't really that innovative. (Though the wavebird was a first for console RF controllers.) It was at least as powerful as, if not more powerful than the PS2 and the Xbox, yet that got them nowhere. So they went back to being innovative with their controllers again with the Wii and it's motion controls, and the Wii U with it's touch-screen/second screen.

"Nintendo have almost always been innovative with their controllers".

This.

The Gamecube controller also had anologue shoulder triggers.

Star Lord · 18-05-2016 03:58PM

sligeach wrote: »

"Nintendo have almost always been innovative with their controllers".

This.

The Gamecube controller also had anologue shoulder triggers.

Ah yeah, forgot about those! The analogue triggers, with a microswitch button 'click' at the end of their travel!

Myrddin · 18-05-2016 04:05PM

Star Lord wrote: »

Nintendo have almost always been innovative with their controllers, just in other ways, that got adopted by others to become the "traditional" controls. They came up with the D-pad, shoulder buttons, the thumbstick, vibration feedback, the Gamecube is probably the first one where it wasn't really that innovative. (Though the wavebird was a first for console RF controllers.) It was at least as powerful as, if not more powerful than the PS2 and the Xbox, yet that got them nowhere. So they went back to being innovative with their controllers again with the Wii and it's motion controls, and the Wii U with it's touch-screen/second screen.

Indeed, their controllers have always had an innovative, but rather importantly, functional. For me, once the Wii arrived, it was indeed innovative, but functional? Definitely not. I can't count how many Wii games I enjoy more (or would enjoy more) with a gamepad. The Wii U Pad was a failed attempt at making the controller more rooted in functionality, but again failed due to its gimmicky nature (it's like playing with a tablet in your hands). That said, off screen play was a nice feature, but just not enough to save the console.

The NES pad was basic by todays standards, but back then, it was a masterpiece in simplistic functionality. The Snes pad was incredibly innovative, but it added something to playing games. The N64 pad was certainly out there, and while not really successful, it was certainly functional by the standards of the time. The Gamecube, again, hugely impressive pad (possibly my fav pad ever), & added to the experience. That all changed once we hit the Wii...stupid flailing around party based controllers, that ruined the sense of being 'connected' to the game. Unfortunately, the Wii was a monster hit...& the rest is history

Imagine a decent powered modern console, where the joypad was like the Vita or 3DS...I think that'd be pretty sweet...the cost would be high though

Banjo · 18-05-2016 04:25PM

Star Lord wrote: »

Nintendo have almost always been innovative with their controllers, just in other ways, that got adopted by others to become the "traditional" controls. They came up with the D-pad, shoulder buttons, the thumbstick, vibration feedback, the Gamecube is probably the first one where it wasn't really that innovative. (Though the wavebird was a first for console RF controllers.) It was at least as powerful as, if not more powerful than the PS2 and the Xbox, yet that got them nowhere. So they went back to being innovative with their controllers again with the Wii and it's motion controls, and the Wii U with it's touch-screen/second screen.

Where they've succeeded then is where they've presented a gaming experience that was different but better. God knows that Waggle controls are anathema to proper gaming but the Wii was "different but better" when compared to Bingo or playing Monopoly and it's greatest success was among non-traditional-gamers.

But the Wii U does not present a "different but better" experience when compared to gaming on your tablet, at least not in so far as the way the interface is used.

I have no idea where I'm going with this. I'm just hoping that if they've found a "new way of playing games" it's not just different but also better?

CiDeRmAn · 18-05-2016 05:22PM

Well, the N64 had experiences built around the controller, specifically the analogue stick, and these experiences just couldn't be had on a home console, from Mario 64 to Pilotwings 64, from Wave Race 64 to 1080 Snowboarding.
The Saturn and PS bought into analogue later, but Nintendo had the foresight to bake it into the console.
The GC controller was more of a company refusing to settle on the triumphs of before, but it was facing similar innovation from the original Xbox controller, the S version specifically, which was far more enjoyable and responsive in racing and FPS titles, fortunately for Nintendo they didn't base their software on racing and FPS titles, with games like Resi-remake and Super Monkey Ball all using the controller to it's full potential.
I think the blatant ball drop with the WiiU controller, a low resolution hefty tablet, was an error in judgement on their part.
A more traditional controller arrangement this time is essential, although it has to be said that it was always an option with the Wii and WiiU, just up to developers to implement it.

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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