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London receptionist sent home without pay for refusing to wear heels

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    It'll be a race to the bottom now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    The company has really turned heel in this story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Ush1 wrote: »
    The company has really turned heel in this story.

    It has become a wedge issue, certainly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    maudgonner wrote: »
    That's exactly what this woman did - she rejected the dress code by choosing to go home, and now she is lobbying to have it changed. Public pressure has caused the original company to change it, hopefully either continued public pressure or a change in the law will cause it to be changed across the board.
    Change?

    Change is bad.

    Women with perky buttocks are good.

    Je suis PwC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    osarusan wrote: »
    Change?

    Change is bad.

    Women with perky buttocks are good.

    Je suis PwC.

    Well I suppose we can't really blame PwC since the dress code belongs to the contracting company.

    That's not to defend them though, apparently they are a bunch of PwiCs :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    maudgonner wrote: »
    It has become a wedge issue, certainly.

    As a receptionist, she only just got her foot in the door.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    She had hardly dipped a toe in the water, surely.

    It was quite a callous reaction by the company.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Shint0


    They certainly didn't go out on a limb to accommodate her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Could be a catoestrophe for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    I just looked this girl up, she is a fox so she will probably earn out of this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭crusha101


    its a dress code get over it !, The same way men must wear ties in certain environments and the same way men cannot wear shorts but women may wear short knee length skirts in the workplace , it just looks professional, PC brigade & feminists having a field day here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    crusha101 wrote: »
    its a dress code get over it !, The same way men must wear ties in certain environments and the same way men cannot wear shorts but women may wear short knee length skirts in the workplace , it just looks professional, PC brigade & feminists having a field day here

    Last time I checked, neckties don't cause potentially very painful bone and joint deformations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    crusha101 wrote: »
    its a dress code get over it !, The same way men must wear ties in certain environments and the same way men cannot wear shorts but women may wear short knee length skirts in the workplace , it just looks professional, PC brigade & feminists having a field day here

    I could say the same of the "anti-PC brigade". What is it about high heels that makes them look more "professional"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭crusha101




    I could say the same of the "anti-PC brigade". What is it about high heels that makes them look more "professional"?
    Sorry completely forgot about all the walking receptionists must do in an office.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭crusha101


    also PopePalatine in fairness you have a good point abut the anti PC brigade, Even though i would consider my self neutral in the whole PC - Anti PC conflict i may have came across very anti PC there :sideways:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 paul68


    I read that story yesterday, absolutely disgraceful treatment, obviously certain people haven't evolved in to the 21st century yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    crusha101 wrote: »
    Sorry completely forgot about all the walking receptionists must do in an office.

    "I was expected to do a nine-hour shift on my feet escorting clients to meeting rooms"... I would not do that in heels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭crusha101


    Shenshen wrote: »
    crusha101;99706595

    "I was expected to do a nine-hour shift on my feet escorting clients to meeting rooms"... I would not do that
    completely overlooked that, i accept defeat :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    The attempts to make a direct comparison between being made wear high heels and a shirt/tie are completely, totally ridiculous.

    I've worn heels on many occasions and walking or standing for any length of time results in horrible stabbing pain in the balls of my feet.

    I wore a shirt and tie every day for six years in school and it caused me absolutely no discomfort or incovenience whatsoever.

    Tie too tight? Loosen the knot.
    Collar too tight? Open the top button or consider buying a larger necksize.

    Oppressed shirt and tie wearers, come back to me when you've walked a mile in a pair of stilettos, ok?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Shint0


    So she was an escort NOT a receptionist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    crusha101 wrote: »
    completely overlooked that, i accept defeat :)
    Fair play, tis a rare thing on AH to see anybody admit to being wrong about anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    HensVassal wrote: »
    In fairness a two inch heel isn't going to cripple her.

    That's exactly what I thought. I checked a pair of my own (men's) dress shoes, and they have heels that are around 3cm; That's roughly 1 inch and a half; They're perfectly normal shoes, I never gave any thought to their height when I bought them - and by the looks, most of men's dress shoes will fall into that range of heel height. We're not talking about "disco dancer boots" here.
    LizT wrote: »
    They told her to go and buy some heels and return wearing them. I'd kick up a fuss about that too. As long as she was dressed appropriately and her shoes were professional looking, there should have been no issue.
    And that's what makes it so silly. They've decided heels equals presentable and flat shoes are not presentable, which is just plain stupid.

    Fashion and history are fairly objective in establishing what is suitable for a customer-facing professional environment and what is not in a certain age; "Presentable" is a subjective issue - for some people, a T-Shirt and tracksuit bottoms are "presentable".

    It am a bit surprised about the company reps "laughing" at her questioning "do guys have to wear them?". They should have replied "no, but they can't wear comfortable footwear like slippers, trainers or walking shoes either - and they are required suit and tie regardless of weather".

    If the shoes are the ones she's holding up in the pictures, sorry, they are not elegant at all and look like slippers; It's as if a guy walked in wearing a suit and flip flops, and I can see why a formal professional environment would have issues with them; There are plenty of different and more classically elegant designs that don't have very high heels and still look perfectly fine under a pants or skirt suit.

    Finally, it's just impossible that shoes with essentially no sole are any comfortable - years ago I bought a pair of "walking shoes" which had a relatively thin sole (less than 1 cm) and stopped wearing them after a couple of weeks. It was almost like walking on the street barefoot, and on long walks small things like the little bumps in the red area before pedestrian crossings started to hurt like hell :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    With the suit and tie comparison, nobody expects her to turn up in a tracksuit though, I'm sure she had office appropriate clothes.

    Really, does anybody associate high heels as office wear for women?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    crusha101 wrote: »
    completely overlooked that, i accept defeat :)
    osarusan wrote: »
    Fair play, tis a rare thing on AH to see anybody admit to being wrong about anything.

    I don't agree with crusha accepting defeat so easily.

    In fact, I'm outraged.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭12Phase


    It's quite eye opening though to see how many conservative foot fetishists are around !! They're mostly female too from what I've seen of the comments elsewhere.

    Right wing fashionists!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    The photo she's holding up of the ballet pumps are actually just as bad if not worse for her feet than heels. I LIVE in pumps like those at work and my knees are in bits and I have a Physio appt every two weeks for my back.
    They're the worst for your feet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Lady is a tramp


    I have to be honest, I do think women look more professional in high heels. When I worked in a big 4 firm (not PWC, and not as a receptionist) the outfit most women would wear most days was a skirt suit with a shirt/nice top, tights and heels. You'd get away with maybe a casual dress and cardigan and flats on casual Fridays (definitely no jeans or anything like that!)

    Now, I never heard of anyone being pulled up on not wearing heels, but there was a definite office dress code, and in my opinion a pair of simple black low heels looks more professional that the most dressy looking flats. It just looks like you made that extra bit of effort. I was working in audit, so we spent a lot of time out at client offices, and you really needed to look the part.

    There was no problem with wearing flats commuting to and from work, but I heard of a few people wearing runners in and out of work and then changing into heels in the office, and words were had with them about it. About how the image of the firm was reflected by what others saw when the employees were going in and out of the building. And in fairness, runners with a skirt suit does look absolutely ridiculous!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    K-9 wrote: »
    With the suit and tie comparison, nobody expects her to turn up in a tracksuit though, I'm sure she had office appropriate clothes.

    Really, does anybody associate high heels as office wear for women?

    Shoes are an integral part of the outfit, otherwise it would be perfectly normal for both women and men to wear, say, a business suit with trainers.

    For the high heels, it depends on the shoes - many of them do look like they belong in a nightclub/late bar rather than an office, there's no doubt.

    But in general, looking at fashion over the decades, the same guidelines that associate English style dress shoes with a suit for men, do associate a bit of a heel with a pants/skirt suit or dress for women.

    The completely flat shoes seem to be a relatively recent introduction when paired with business attire, and one that seems to be more prevalent in the UK/Ireland than anywhere else. It's really odd as I am a guy realizing there are different kinds of heels, but most people in this thread seem to be of the idea that it's either "flats" or "5 inch disco platforms".
    The photo she's holding up of the ballet pumps are actually just as bad if not worse for her feet than heels. I LIVE in pumps like those at work and my knees are in bits and I have a Physio appt every two weeks for my back.
    They're the worst for your feet

    Yeah, that's exactly what I was trying to convey before, although in more complicate terms - I have never worn them afterall :D

    An ex-girlfriend of mine absolutely loved that kind of shoes, and she constantly complained about sore feet and back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    That's all fair enough but nobody is asking for men and women to wear trainers.

    I don't see anything wrong with a presentable pair of flat shoes at all, if some choose high heels that's fine too.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Just wondering what would happen if the young lady who says she is an actress,
    was offered an acting role that required her to wear high heels?

    Would she turn it down and start another petition......I doubt it very much.

    Sending her home because of her footwear choice was silly though,
    so long as she was smartly turned out,and able to do her job she should be allowed to wear shoes of her choice.


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