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Bigbok · 24-04-2016 11:16AM

molloyjh wrote: »

That's original.

You may not have realised but we actually develop the vast majority of our rugby players ourselves. But given that you guys have 10 times the population that we have it should be expected that we have a few more foreign players playing for us than you do.

Of course based on your opinion above I'm sure you're demanding that The Beast never play for SA again? And have huge issues with NZ who had as many foreign players in their RWC squad as Ireland did. And an even bigger problem with Australia who in fact had more.

EDIT: It should be noted that Irelands first choice XV right now has just 1 foreign player in it; Jared Payne. Exactly the same number as SAs first choice XV.

Yes I don't want beast as he is taking a better players place,anyway atleast he went thru Sharks academy at 17,I do also have a issue with NZ,Engkand,Australia and all teams using foreign players or coaches.a team representing a country should all be born and bred and developed in that country,including all coaches and management

Yeah_Right · 24-04-2016 11:37AM

molloyjh wrote: »

Of course based on your opinion above I'm sure you're demanding that The Beast never play for SA again? And have huge issues with NZ who had as many foreign players in their RWC squad as Ireland did. And an even bigger problem with Australia who in fact had more.

The difference is the foreigners in those teams aren't project players they're migrants.

Bazzo · 24-04-2016 11:47AM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

The difference is the foreigners in those teams aren't project players they're migrants.

Anybody who moves overseas to work is a migrant

That piece of pedantry will be my only input to the conversation because I have pretty much 0 interest in getting involved in the 2637382625262nd boards rugby row about the for-tenners

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 11:48AM

If a project player has to spend 3 years here before they can play for Ireland haven't we had some hand in developing them?
I doubt we've poached anyone who was knocking on the door of their native international team when we brought them over?

Bigbok · 24-04-2016 11:49AM

Bazzo wrote: »

Anybody who moves overseas to work is a migrant

That piece of pedantry will be my only input to the conversation because I have pretty much 0 interest in getting involved in the 2637382625262th boards rugby row about the for-tenners

That's because u on the side that is benefitting from the foreigners

Bigbok · 24-04-2016 11:52AM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

If a project player has to spend 3 years here before they can play for Ireland haven't we had some hand in developing them?
I doubt we've poached anyone who was knocking on the door of their native international team when we brought them over?

There's the difference.in SA and NZ a player will be known and followed from school days of playing rugby,not like here where they must impress at provincial level before getting on a radar.and no if a player is here for 3yrs from the age of his 20's u have not developed him at all,his development comes thru his teenage years

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 11:55AM

Bigbok wrote: »

That's because u on the side that is benefitting from the foreigners

Says the fan of the almost entirely white African team.

former total · 24-04-2016 12:11PM

Bigbok wrote: »

There's the difference.in SA and NZ a player will be known and followed from school days of playing rugby,not like here where they must impress at provincial level before getting on a radar.and no if a player is here for 3yrs from the age of his 20's u have not developed him at all,his development comes thru his teenage years

Marc, you have a serious chip on your shoulder about SA rugby.

Yes, we know everything about SA is awesome. Thanks for clarifying that.

Bigbok · 24-04-2016 12:37PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Says the fan of the almost entirely white African team.

Don't comment on something u know nothing about

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 12:40PM

Bigbok wrote: »

Don't comment on something u know nothing about

Bigbok · 24-04-2016 12:40PM

former total wrote: »

Marc, you have a serious chip on your shoulder about SA rugby.

Yes, we know everything about SA is awesome. Thanks for clarifying that.

Keep ur stupid comments to yourself,facts are facts,players abilities are known way before there in their 20's just cos u don't have the infer structure to see that in ur own players don't get upset when other countries.judt look at what our mickery mouse rhondabosch school players did to ur players whilst on tour here

CMOTDibbler · 24-04-2016 12:42PM

Bigbok wrote: »

Keep ur stupid comments to yourself,facts are facts,players abilities are known way before there in their 20's just cos u don't have the infer structure to see that in ur own players don't get upset when other countries.judt look at what our mickery mouse rhondabosch school players did to ur players whilst on tour here

Bazzo · 24-04-2016 01:17PM

Bigbok wrote: »

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Says the fan of the almost entirely white African team.

Don't comment on something u know nothing about

Ah **** it, it's a Sunday and I've got little to be at so I'll indulge you with the attention you're clearly craving for a minute.

Firstly, coming to a discussion board and telling people to not comment on things you brought up is pretty stupid, if you don't want people commenting on it then post it on the private discussion board in your head where you're guaranteed 100% approval.

Secondly, as of the last census there are 4.6 million people of white ethnicity living in South Africa, over 50% more than you're claiming, which makes a comment like "Don't comment on something u[sic] know nothing about" even more stupid.

Thirdly, the above is pretty ****ing irrelevant anyway because your assertation that the entire black population of SA is not genetically suited to playing rugby is incredibly dated and downright absurd, look at England or France to see how many quality black players are about if the systems are in place to develop them. I could comment more on this point but I'd probably get in trouble, I'm sure any reasonable person is drawing the same conclusion as me anyway.

But I'm out, enjoy your internet rage on this lovely Sunday.

swiwi_ · 24-04-2016 01:26PM

Bigbok wrote: »

Keep ur stupid comments to yourself,facts are facts,players abilities are known way before there in their 20's just cos u don't have the infer structure to see that in ur own players don't get upset when other countries.judt look at what our mickery mouse rhondabosch school players did to ur players whilst on tour here

About every 3 months or so, having being banned, you come back with a new username, and have a go a this.

I dunno if you have a problem with anger or whatever, but it does your country no credit.

What are you hoping to prove?

Eat some billtong, set up a braai on the back of a bakkie, and drink some Castle lager, but calm down most of all.

OldRio · 24-04-2016 01:38PM

We must open a sweepstake on the number of posts Marc makes before the inevitable 'Meltdown'
Another two or three I would guess.

Yeah_Right · 24-04-2016 01:41PM

When these arguments sorry discussions start, I'm torn. As an AB fan for a long time we had to put up with ignorant people claiming that NZ was poaching players from the Pacific Islands. Now Ireland is signing project players (legally) I can sympathise with the fans defending it but I take some perverse pleasure in seeing people who unjustifiabley criticized NZ are now doing a U turn on the issue.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 01:58PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

When these arguments sorry discussions start, I'm torn. As an AB fan for a long time we had to put up with ignorant people claiming that NZ was poaching players from the Pacific Islands. Now Ireland is signing project players (legally) I can sympathise with the fans defending it but I take some perverse pleasure in seeing people who unjustifiabley criticized NZ are now doing a U turn on the issue.

There is a slight difference though. Lots of the guys NZL take would be good enough to play for their home country. The people Ireland are taking were probably not going to bother anyone in the starting 15 of their native teams. You could make the argument that the sport in the Pacific Islands suffers from players being poached, not just by NZL.

I have seen Irish posters suggesting we should be poaching some too and I'd be perfectly happy to see Aki playing for Ireland

I don't really have an issue it the project player idea. If we were to start doing like Scotland and shipping guys with Irish grannies straight into the team I might have a problem with that.

Buer · 24-04-2016 02:00PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote:

There is a slight difference though. Lots of the guys NZL take would be good enough to play for their home country. The people Ireland are taking were probably not going to bother anyone in the starting 15 of their native teams. You could make the argument that the sport in the Pacific Islands suffers from players being poached, not just by NZL.

Minor detail is the fact that NZ don't actually take players.

swiwi_ · 24-04-2016 02:04PM

Buer wrote: »

Minor detail is the fact that NZ don't actually take players.

He he. Tickle me elmo (IIRC) called bigbok racist but forgot not all kiwis have white skin and British/Irish heritage.

Anyone heading over to NZ for the lions tour should head to Sth Auckland (Bundee country), where the white man is few and far between.

As an aside it amazes me that seemingly educated posters like tickle me assume anyone with a brown skin and a heap of syllables in their name must have been born in the islands. Latent racism I suppose.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 02:16PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

He he. Tickle me elmo (IIRC) called bigbok racist but forgot not all kiwis have white skin and British/Irish heritage.

Anyone heading over to NZ for the lions tour should head to Sth Auckland (Bundee country), where the white man is few and far between.

As an aside it amazes me that seemingly educated posters like tickle me assume anyone with a brown skin and a heap of syllables in their name must have been born in the islands. Latent racism I suppose.

First of all.....I didn't call anyone racist and I wasn't implying it either.

Secondly I know Bundee is from New Zealand. I didn't mean to imply he wasn't. I simply meant that he's another player who isn't Irish (and is possibly good enough to be playing for his own country) that I would be perfectly happy to see play for Ireland. Perhaps I should have worded my post a little differently. I admit the way it's written reads poorly.

I'm fairly sure Bundee is of Samoan heritage though so even if I was assuming he was from the islands because of his brown skin I wouldn't have been 100% wrong.

Lastly... the Maori people themselves are Polynesian, same as the Pacific Islanders so I could probably get off on a technicality if I had been assuming.

mfceiling · 24-04-2016 02:18PM

Jim Jefferies on the South African accent...

Many of you you can't tell the difference between my Australian accent and a South African one. Here's the difference...
Picture my accent but I'm punching a black person...

jacothelad · 24-04-2016 02:21PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

First of all.....I didn't call anyone racist and I wasn't implying it either.

Secondly I know Bundee is from New Zealand. I didn't mean to imply he wasn't. I simply meant that he's another player who isn't Irish (and is possibly good enough to be playing for his own country) that I would be perfectly happy to see play for Ireland. Perhaps I should have worded my post a little differently. I admit the way it's written reads poorly.

I'm fairly sure Bundee is of Samoan heritage though so even if I was assuming he was from the islands because of his brown skin I wouldn't have been 100% wrong.

Lastly... the Maori people themselves are Polynesian, same as the Pacific Islanders so I could probably get off on a technicality if I had been assuming.

Just in. Shock geography news. It's been discovered that New Zealand is composed of islands...a veritable archipelago. Some New Zealanders want to change that description to an 'ar'elago' thus removing the chip and ensuring they are no longer confused with Australians.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 02:24PM

Buer wrote: »

Minor detail is the fact that NZ don't actually take players.

Fair enough they're not actually "poaching" them for the All Black's but there's been a few lads brought over to schools on scholarships and I remember reading about a few clubs that say they wouldn't survive without their pacific island players.

Then again it is a mutual thing. It's not like there's some child snatchers working for the All Blacks creeping around the islands at night.

swiwi_ · 24-04-2016 02:26PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

First of all.....I didn't call anyone racist and I wasn't implying it either.

Secondly I know Bundee is from New Zealand. I didn't mean to imply he wasn't. I simply meant that he's another player who isn't Irish (and is possibly good enough to be playing for his own country) that I would be perfectly happy to see play for Ireland. Perhaps I should have worded my post a little differently. I admit the way it's written reads poorly.

I'm fairly sure Bundee is of Samoan heritage though so even if I was assuming he was from the islands because of his brown skin I wouldn't have been 100% wrong.

Lastly... the Maori people themselves are Polynesian, same as the Pacific Islanders so I could probably get off on a technicality if I had been assuming.

Bundee is first and foremost of NZ heritage. That is where he was born and grew up. His parents or grandparents were born in Samoa.

Every time a brown player pulls on the NZ jersey it's assumed he has been poached. Instead he's chosen his country of birth and upbringing over that of his grandparents (with the odd exception of players moving to NZ as kids or teenagers).

To the best of my knowledge, there have never been any established professional rugby players plying their trade in the Islands (or outside of NZ) who have been targeted by the NZRU. We do not have a project player system.

Anyway I've done this topic before so I leave it at that.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 02:26PM

jacothelad wrote: »

Just in. Shock geography news. It's been discovered that New Zealand is composed of islands...a veritable archipelago. Some New Zealanders want to change that description to an 'ar'elago' thus removing the chip and ensuring they are no longer confused with Australians.

Aren't they the 7th state?

swiwi_ · 24-04-2016 02:28PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Aren't they the 7th state?

Just like Northern Ireland is part of England, huh.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 02:28PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Bundee is first and foremost of NZ heritage. That is where he was born and grew up. His parents or grandparents were born in Samoa.

It's irrelevant in terms of who he's playing for but it's very much relevant if you're going to accuse someone of latent racism because I may have assumed he had some connection to another country, which he actually does have.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 02:29PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Just like Northern Ireland is part of England, huh.

Nope. It's part of the UK.

Zzippy · 24-04-2016 02:31PM

I think NZ should be happy to give us a few of their less-wanted players seeing as the legendary first captain of the Original All Blacks was an Irishman...

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-04-2016 02:32PM

Zzippy wrote: »

I think NZ should be happy to give us a few of their less-wanted players seeing as the legendary first captain of the Original All Blacks was an Irishman...

If we want to be very specific about it he was British, as we all were at the time. :eek:

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