Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

LuckyLloyd · 23-04-2016 09:37PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Most football fans don't have a great knowledge of ped's though as football has not been as exposed by doping scandal's as other sports.

I think it's clear that there is a lack of knowledge considering the posting on this forum today!!

Fwiw, the six month ban coming is laughably lenient. It should be two years followed by life for strike two.

Luckily for us, football has no interest in facing up to the problem of PEDs. So we'll see Sakho early next season.

Club and Klopp seem to have handled the news well thus far.

K-9 · 23-04-2016 09:41PM

So then, missed the footy today. Tune in for the first half on MotD, nothing we didn't already know in the second?

Mr. Sakho, I'll be a hypocritical baxtard on him!

Seriously, he'll probably come in for loads of stick and journo hack knowledgeable pieces, everybody was waiting for the first positive after the BBC expose.

K-9 · 23-04-2016 09:44PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Thread makes for strange reading. Fat burners are a known masking agent. He's probably on performing enhancing drugs - just like a decent percentage of professional athletes. He got caught, there'll be confirmations and then a ban. And then he'll return to play for us.

What's deeply unfortunate is the loss of momentum when you consider this in tandem with Oirigi's injury and the unfortunate second half today. That's life though. We'll need to persevere through adversity against Villareal.

The mix of naivety and self flaggeletion on show this evening is bizarre being frank.

Unlike Xmas/January, everything seems to be slowly building up on his this time.

Depends on Villareal's luck I suppose.

5starpool · 23-04-2016 10:23PM

GotTheTshirt wrote: »

To lighten the mood a little. I was just catching up on the days posting on my phone when I encountered a somewhat amusing ad placement.

You can see 1 post which consists of 3 words on that entire page. Horrific design and ad sizing.

23-04-2016 10:37PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I think it's clear that there is a lack of knowledge considering the posting on this forum today!!

.....

No one claimed to be knowledgable regarding the issue.
We know you are into roid head sports from a video you linked to before but you are very much the minority.

MD1990 · 23-04-2016 10:46PM

I remember Sakho broke some club equipment that was testing his strength a while back too.

JonnyM · 23-04-2016 10:53PM

MD1990 wrote: »

I remember Sakho broke some club equipment that was testing his strength a while back too.

Beeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssssttttt!!!!

mormank · 23-04-2016 11:12PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Most football fans don't have a great knowledge of ped's though as football has not been as exposed by doping scandal's as other sports.

Ah dammit, so it turns out I was good enough all along, I was just on the wrong drugs!!! :mad:

dfx- · 23-04-2016 11:24PM

5starpool wrote: »

Another 4 for Suarez tonight, that's 8 goals in 2 games for him. Not bad.

and three assists as well.

53 goals for the season, 5 more than Ronaldo in 1996/1997 and only 20 behind Messi's record. Gone better than I thought it would and I was desperate for Barca to sign him..

23-04-2016 11:29PM

Mignolet has supposedly made massive mistakes to cost us 4 draws this season - 8 points.

The difference is a top keeper can make is incredible

J Mysterio · 24-04-2016 12:24AM

I see a lot of talk about 'top keepers'... But who would you get? Who is gettable?

martyos121 · 24-04-2016 12:35AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I see a lot of talk about 'top keepers'... But who would you get? Who is gettable?

Zieler (former Northampton Town keeper who now plays for Hannover, solid)
Sirigu (lost his place to Trapp at PSG, still a good keeper, willing to leave)
Leno (great keeper but not having his best season, constantly linked with him)
Horn (most likely one to sign, plays for FC Köln, huge potential, double deal along with Hector maybe?)

mormank · 24-04-2016 01:20AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I see a lot of talk about 'top keepers'... But who would you get? Who is gettable?

I hate to say it, cos it's Southampton again, but I think Forster would be my number 1 realistic choice. Such a great presence in the area too at 6"7, would make a huge difference to us defending crosses.

Pyjamarama · 24-04-2016 02:13AM

mormank wrote: »

I hate to say it, cos it's Southampton again, but I think Forster would be my number 1 realistic choice. Such a great presence in the area too at 6"7, would make a huge difference to us defending crosses.

He makes way too many mental errors for me to want anything to do with him. If we're gonna be replacing Mignolet lets just go out and buy a top class keeper. We'll have the money to do it. Go get someone who is somewhat proven at the top level. Its the one position where I want us to really make a big splash. Foster would still leave us miles behind Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, United and City when it comes to keepers.

I'd love us to go for Leno or test Inter for Handanovic, even if he did recently sign a new contract.

mormank · 24-04-2016 02:24AM

Pyjamarama wrote: »

He makes way too many mental errors for me to want anything to do with him. If we're gonna be replacing Mignolet lets just go out and buy a top class keeper. We'll have the money to do it. Go get someone who is somewhat proven at the top level. Its the one position where I want us to really make a big splash. Foster would still leave us miles behind Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, United and City when it comes to keepers.

I'd love us to go for Leno or test Inter for Handanovic, even if he did recently sign a new contract.

Well I would love Timo Horn or Ter Stegen but I wouldn't be sure either would come to us. I'm fairly confident we could get Forster. Don't know much about Handanovic tbh, don't watch any Serie A football these days. Alot may depend on the outcome of the Europa league and that elusive Champion's league spot it offers.

corwill · 24-04-2016 02:57AM

And a new goalie coach, for the love of gawd, someone without an actual, reverse-Midas touch.

klose · 24-04-2016 06:54AM

Bit annoyed ward didn't get a game again, done well v Bournemouth and deserved another go I thought. If he makes that mistake yesterday it's not as bad as he's a young keeper only really starting his career from a senior perspective but mignolet has been making those errors for years. Same old same old, get rid.

marklazarcovic · 24-04-2016 07:08AM

Also,firminho has been pretty awful for a while now,does not seem at 100% up to pace

Ardent · 24-04-2016 07:43AM

Jack Butland. Not the finished article but HUGE prospect. Have himself and Mignolet duking it out for the first team.

JonnyM · 24-04-2016 08:10AM

Ardent wrote: »

Jack Butland. Not the finished article but HUGE prospect. Have himself and Mignolet duking it out for the first team.

He'd be great in a couple of years but we need someone who is more or less the finished article to be able to step directly into the 1st team and stay there.

LuckyLloyd · 24-04-2016 08:19AM

Augeo wrote: »

No one claimed to be knowledgable regarding the issue.
We know you are into roid head sports from a video you linked to before but you are very much the minority.

I'm into sport in general of all shapes and sizes and my ultimate conclusion is that most elite professional sport is 'roid head' sport. The difference in perception tends to be related to how aggressively a sport's organisational body attempts to uncover and tackle the issue.

dogbert27 · 24-04-2016 08:23AM

Ardent wrote: »

Jack Butland. Not the finished article but HUGE prospect. Have himself and Mignolet duking it out for the first team.

When I think of Butland I think of Scott Carson and Chris Kirkland.

I've said it before and a few others here too but we need a new goalkeeping coach.

John Achterberg came in after Xavi Valero left with Rafa. (I know Mike Kelly came in with Hodgson but that's a blank in my memory).

Pepe Reina declined under him and Simon Mignolet has not improved as a goalkeeper in 3 years.

This guy was fired in 2012 during Kenny's reign.

It looks like Rodgers brought him back!

We need a definite upgrade in this department and hopefully that will happen during the summer.

corwill · 24-04-2016 08:30AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm into sport in general of all shapes and sizes and my ultimate conclusion is that most elite professional sport is 'roid head' sport. The difference in perception tends to be related to how aggressively a sport's organisational body attempts to uncover and tackle the issue.

I'm always taken aback by the notion held by so many football fans that doping somehow isn't really an issue in the sport. There's this bonkers idea that it doesn't help because football is all about tekkers, as though massive gains in stamina, endurance, strength and recovery would somehow be of minimal impact.

There also seems to be an element of wishful thinking that most footballers just wouldn't do it out of... honesty? When you consider the levels of simulation and cheating you see in 90 minutes of football, lads snarling in anger at linos over a throw-in against them when they know full well the ball went out off them... How can anyone be surprised at footballers doping?

jpboard1 · 24-04-2016 08:50AM

Of course there are drugs in football. Anywhere there is money there is going to be cheating. And there is a hell of alot of money in football. Way more so than in cycling, athletics, tennis or most other sports you care to mention.
Two major issues i see:
1)The approach to catching drug users needs to be changed radically as the current one will never work.
2)There has to be a hunger to catch these people, which the sport is currently void of.

Chardee MacDennis · 24-04-2016 08:58AM

mormank wrote: »

Well I would love Timo Horn or Ter Stegen but I wouldn't be sure either would come to us. I'm fairly confident we could get Forster. Don't know much about Handanovic tbh, don't watch any Serie A football these days. Alot may depend on the outcome of the Europa league and that elusive Champion's league spot it offers.

main issue here i think is we shouldnt want another stop gap or 'up and comer'. We need someone proven. Similar to when Spurs signed Lloris (a signing I have envied for a while and if there hadn't been a Spurs resurgence, someone i would have targeted), he was Ligue 1 keeper of the year for 3 years in a row at Lyon.

LiamoSail · 24-04-2016 09:03AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

If a club facilitated or even had knowledge of the fact a player was taking banned substances then IMO the club should be relegated at least one division, dumped out of any cup competitions they are in, all employees and management involved sacked and a new Board of Directors including CEO appointed i.e. a total clear out of those who permitted a medically dangerous cheating culture to emerge and embed itself.

I would be astounded however if this was anything other than one bloke either making an "honest" i.e. stupid/lazy mistake or at worst going on a personal solo run and taking a banned substance to improve his performance.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The bit in bold there is key.

So everyone associated with the club should be punushed...?

5starpool wrote: »

If the club were complicit in it then absolutely, but there is no indication that this is the case at all, so not sure why liamo is getting carried away.

I'm not suggesting the club were complicit, however ignorance is no excuse of the law. The performance against United was influenced by the use of a banned substance, and the responsibility for ensuring the side put out complies with the rules lies with Liverpool.

Legia Warsaw unknowingly put out an ineligible player for the last few minutes of a CL qualifier and as a result found themselves out of the CL. To my mind, fielding a player using a banned substance is a greater offence than fielding an ineligible player.

While I acknowledge that the club weren't complicit, the buck still stops with Liverpool, and I do believe clubs should perhaps be more proactive in ensuring their players aren't using banned substances. The fact is though that the tie with United was influenced by a banned substance and as such I don't see how the result can legitimately stand. While I understand the argument that this is unfair on the club as it was the actions of only one person, the club as a whole still benefited and the tie was compromised

24-04-2016 09:12AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'm not suggesting the club were complicit, however ignorance is no excuse of the law. The performance against United was influenced by the use of a banned substance, and the responsibility for ensuring the side put out complies with the rules lies with Liverpool.

Legia Warsaw unknowingly put out an ineligible player for the last few minutes of a CL qualifier and as a result found themselves out of the CL. To my mind, fielding a player using a banned substance is a greater offence than fielding an ineligible player.

While I acknowledge that the club weren't complicit, the buck still stops with Liverpool, and I do believe clubs should perhaps be more proactive in ensuring their players aren't using banned substances. The fact is though that the tie with United was influenced by a banned substance and as such I don't see how the result can legitimately stand. While I understand the argument that this is unfair on the club as it was the actions of only one person, the club as a whole still benefited and the tie was compromised

John Delaney could put in a word and get a 5th semi finalist.

corwill · 24-04-2016 09:17AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'm not suggesting the club were complicit, however ignorance is no excuse of the law. The performance against United was influenced by the use of a banned substance, and the responsibility for ensuring the side put out complies with the rules lies with Liverpool.

Legia Warsaw unknowingly put out an ineligible player for the last few minutes of a CL qualifier and as a result found themselves out of the CL. To my mind, fielding a player using a banned substance is a greater offence than fielding an ineligible player.

While I acknowledge that the club weren't complicit, the buck still stops with Liverpool, and I do believe clubs should perhaps be more proactive in ensuring their players aren't using banned substances. The fact is though that the tie with United was influenced by a banned substance and as such I don't see how the result can legitimately stand. While I understand the argument that this is unfair on the club as it was the actions of only one person, the club as a whole still benefited and the tie was compromised

Look, the rules simply don't call for that sanction. Not sure why you're wasting your time banging this drum.

LiamoSail · 24-04-2016 09:21AM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

John Delaney could put in a word and get a 5th semi finalist.

What's Delaney got to do with anything? To turn the tables, if Pipo Inzaghi was found to have been using a banned substance prior to the 2007 CL final, would you feel that Milan still won the competition fairly? I certainly wouldn't

24-04-2016 09:30AM

corwill wrote: »

Look, the rules simply don't call for that sanction. Not sure why you're wasting your time banging this drum.

We need to change the rules to get poor ManU back in.

Anyone thinking that this sort of stuff isn't widespread is incredibly naive or has their head stuck in the sand, take your pick.

If players were tested properly there'd be bucket loads of games voided.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

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