Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion

Doctor Bob · 31-03-2016 03:43PM

OldBean wrote: »

http://airows.com/interiors-and-home/ddaann-and-mjlk-cycling-guest-house

Though I don't think it really counts as a cycling guest-house unless you can roll the bike right on into the shower with you.

I'm staying at the Volkshotel in Amsterdam in a couple of weeks. It has themed rooms, one of which is a White Bike Room. (I'm not staying in it, alas.)

There’s nothing more Dutch than a bike, well, except tulips and wooden shoes, but they’re not as exciting. This room is dedicated to the Dutch love for bikes. All parts of a bike are utilised around the room, you even sleep in a big bakfiets (a dutch bike cart). This room comes with two white bicycles to cycle around Amsterdam. Now you really will go Dutch.

http://www.volkshotel.nl/en/hotel/#special-rooms

https://www.volkshotel.nl/en/blog/art-cult/special-room-white-bike/

LollipopJimmy · 01-04-2016 01:49AM

Sigh. Crank on my bike is now creaking like a... well creaky thing. LBS where I bought it didn't believe me then took it for a spin and came back thinking the crank may need to be replaced. Really not happy, I had wanted a Scott for ages and it's thrown problem after problem at me. 3k kms and 7 months of ownership have seen both front and rear wheel fall apart, needed a new headset and now the crank seems to have let go. It's been absolutely babied, chain and all cogs have zero wear and there's not a mark on the bike. Potholes always avoided and never have huge pressure on the chain set.

So annoyed now

Edit: when I said crank I meant bottom bracket. Wa tired

Alek · 01-04-2016 09:25AM

3000km for a modern bottom bracket seems to be acceptable, unfortunately.

Make sure the creaking is not coming from the chainring bolts - I have replaced pedals and BB recently before I discovered that

tomasrojo · 01-04-2016 10:04AM

Alek wrote: »

3000km for a modern bottom bracket seems to be acceptable, unfortunately.

Make sure the creaking is not coming from the chainring bolts - I have replaced pedals and BB recently before I discovered that

The bottom bracket on my main bike has been there since I bought it six and a half years ago (not sure what distance that might represent; more than 15000km anyway). Not sure whether it counts as a modern bottom bracket though. Square taper sealed unit. Was modern to me when I got it, as I'd been using three-piece bottom brackets till then.

CramCycle · 01-04-2016 10:13AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

The bottom bracket on my main bike has been there since I bought it six and a half years ago (not sure what distance that might represent; more than 15000km anyway). Not sure whether it counts as a modern bottom bracket though. Square taper sealed unit. Was modern to me when I got it, as I'd been using three-piece bottom brackets till then.

I think modern refers to any of the ones that putting the cranks on is almost childs play eg hollowtech or similar.

My last two BBs were a hollowtech which lasted well over 10,000km, based on the time I had it, I would say north of 15,000km. That said when it was taken off it was a mess but functional.

The other one is a Fuji stock square taper one, just made sure the edges were cleaned and glooped over with grease and it has also lasted north of 10,000km and is still on the go, although in less use now.

Alek · 01-04-2016 10:31AM

I tend to replace hollowtech BBs every 4000km or so, as they develop play and start making noises. Unless its cyclocross season, as mud eats these bottom brackets for breakfast.

Note that I do a bit offroad and don't clean the bike too often

15000km [...] Square taper sealed unit.

I would not refer to them as "modern", but square tapers are indestructible in comparison.

My last two BBs were a hollowtech which lasted well over 10,000km,

Thats a lot compared to my results.

coach22 · 01-04-2016 10:37AM

What sort of Scott bike is it?

Got a Scott Addict in October 2015 and have had a fair few things go wrong with it as well.

Rearwheel Free hub broke leaving me stranded on a spin. (Still waiting on warranty replacement now after 2-3 months)

Bottom bracket creaking like yours. Headset replaced. That said I did ride it all winter so some wear and tear to be expected I guess but the Scott distributor here is not good.

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Sigh. Crank on my bike is now creaking like a... well creaky thing. LBS where I bought it didn't believe me then took it for a spin and came back thinking the crank may need to be replaced. Really not happy, I had wanted a Scott for ages and it's thrown problem after problem at me. 3k kms and 7 months of ownership have seen both front and rear wheel fall apart, needed a new headset and now the crank seems to have let go. It's been absolutely babied, chain and all cogs have zero wear and there's not a mark on the bike. Potholes always avoided and never have huge pressure on the chain set.

So annoyed now

Edit: when I said crank I meant bottom bracket. Wa tired

dragratchet · 01-04-2016 10:41AM

Alek wrote: »

3000km for a modern bottom bracket seems to be acceptable, unfortunately.

given these components are in the middle to higher end of road bikes owned by people who are likely to put in a fair amount of training is a 3000km really acceptable. im a few hundred k's short of 3k for this year already, many of my club mates would have done more. given these parts are for bikes that will be ridden a lot, shouldn't they last a bit longer.

Alek · 01-04-2016 10:45AM

I mean "acceptable" as in "shoite happens". I guess they are designed to take more abuse, but reality is often different...

I use cheapest BBs (Tiagra, approx e15) and change them myself 2-3 times a year. Thats not a lot of money at the end!

tomasrojo · 01-04-2016 10:54AM

On the subject of innovations:

Automatic tire inflators are like disc brakes for road bikes in that if they were there first and then someone invented the stuff they replaced then that someone would be hailed as a genius. Consider:

INTEGRATED ROAD DISC BRAKES

--Ultra-light
--Adjustable on the fly
--No fluid, easily serviced
--Large-diameter rotor is integrated with wheel for stopping power and additional weight savings
--Allows lightning-fast wheel changes
--Come in different reaches to accommodate higher-volume tires

http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.ie/2016/03/walking-new-extreme-sport.html

dragratchet · 01-04-2016 10:56AM

true, and in fairness i get a lot more than 3k out on my components but i think it would be a costly game if we were to follow common guidelines and replace bb's chains and cassettes very 3/4 k or so. especially if you're a mechanical no hoper like me

ford2600 · 01-04-2016 11:00AM

Alek wrote: »

I mean "acceptable" as in "shoite happens". I guess they are designed to take more abuse, but reality is often different...

I use cheapest BBs (Tiagra, approx e15) and change them myself 2-3 times a year. Thats not a lot of money at the end!

Is your shell properly faced Alex?

I thought Hollow Tech 11 were crap as the one fitted on a bike I bought failed at 2k km. Since I fitted them myself, they have never failed, so as much as 12k km plus.

I change bb every winter so it doesn't get stuck on frame, but they seem fine coming off. I even serviced one just because it says "Do not dismante" so I dismantled it and it has a couple of thousand done since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hklHC2ae04g

I never fitted anything above 105. The new Ultegra one(it has a narrow cups and needs adapter) claims to have better sealing but who knows.

You could just buy a Chris King one...

rollingscone · 01-04-2016 11:13AM

I have converted PaterScone to the virtues of the cycling cap.

My work here is done.

Alek · 01-04-2016 11:14AM

ford2600 wrote: »

Is your shell properly faced Alex?

Wha, me shell faced? Whatya mean?

In a serious tone now, on the Kinesis the BB threads were not exactly in line (I had troubles inserting the chainset!), but had them faced 2k km ago. Time will tell now

On the Croix de fer it seems fine, but you never know...

The new Ultegra one(it has a narrow cups and needs adapter) claims to have better sealing but who knows.

I have removed one after the winter (road mostly), bearings were full of water...

CramCycle · 01-04-2016 11:39AM

Alek wrote: »

Thats a lot compared to my results.

I did tend to just ride until a problem developed rather than doing anything preemptive. The BB was in bits when it came out after that time with no maintenance but having looked at it. If I had just cleaned it now and again, it probably would have lasted longer IMO. It was a Tiagra or lower BB.

Alek · 01-04-2016 11:50AM

Ah, I see. I tend to change the BB at the first palpable play at the cranks or repeating creaks/knocks coming from the BB

NeedMoreGears · 01-04-2016 04:01PM

I got around 15,000 from a press fit Shimano BB (probably 105) if that counts as modern. I've replaced it with a Dura Ace one that has done another 20,000 plus and still going strong. Unfortunately I don't have the tools so it was a bit expensive.

Headset went completely at 30,000 (it had been a bit sticky for the previous 5,000) or so. Handy enough to replace the bearings.

I'm still not that happy at having to replace either part. To be fair, I was also taken aback a little the first time I had to replace chainrings (15k). So it's probably a bit of "when I was a young lad, things were built to last etc" on my part.

By the way - any idea how long a frame should last? ; current frame has c. 40,000 on it and apart from some lifting of paint and the usual bumps and bruises it looks ok.

Fian · 01-04-2016 04:43PM

Dutch google april fools - self driving bike. Well worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSZPNwZex9s

Hmm, i don't know how to embed a youtube video.

CramCycle · 01-04-2016 04:45PM

NeedMoreGears wrote: »

By the way - any idea how long a frame should last? ; current frame has c. 40,000 on it and apart from some lifting of paint and the usual bumps and bruises it looks ok.

Depends on the material, usage, build quality and how well its looked after.

Steel: Longer than you
Aluminium: Between 5 years and slightly longer than you
Carbon: Lifes greatest mystery

ednwireland · 01-04-2016 10:08PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Depends on the material, usage, build quality and how well its looked after.

Steel: Longer than you
Aluminium: Between 5 years and slightly longer than you
Carbon: Lifes greatest mystery

horse poo

2 steel frames broken in 20 years my aluminum mtb was bought in the early nineties and the carbon frame is 7 years old

RobFowl · 01-04-2016 10:15PM

ednwireland wrote: »

horse poo

2 steel frames broken in 20 years my aluminum mtb was bought in the early nineties and the carbon frame is 7 years old

Thats all that rain up in Donegal, rusts steel to f*ck

Wishbone Ash · 01-04-2016 11:15PM

NeedMoreGears wrote: »

I got around 15,000 from a press fit Shimano BB (probably 105) if that counts as modern. I've replaced it with a Dura Ace one that has done another 20,000 plus and still going strong. ....

My beater/commuter (a Ridley Gladius with 105 built in 2012 by Cycle Bike) has 28k on the original BB. It has become somewhat of a joke with my LBS (Richie's in Swords) as I keep asking them to check it but they say it's fine. Richie reckons that Shimano need to be notified about it at this stage!

Alek · 02-04-2016 01:08AM

My beater/commuter (a Ridley Gladius with 105 built in 2012 by Cycle Bike) has 28k on the original BB

Speechless. What BB is it, hollowtech?

Either way, maybe you are special on more levels that we think WA :P

CramCycle · 02-04-2016 02:04AM

ednwireland wrote: »

horse poo

2 steel frames broken in 20 years my aluminum mtb was bought in the early nineties and the carbon frame is 7 years old

Like I said, build quality and usage mean alot.

Wishbone Ash · 02-04-2016 09:30AM

Alek wrote: »

Speechless. What BB is it, hollowtech?...

Haven't a clue and I don't have it to hand at the moment to check. I'm afraid knowledge of BB's is not my strong point.

Rogue-Trooper · 03-04-2016 11:33AM

Going home on Friday evening, this is what greeted me when I went to get my bike from the 'secure' area in work:

Feckers.

Think I need to keep the minions a bit busier........

ezra_ · 03-04-2016 04:08PM

Rogue-Trooper wrote: »

Think I need to keep the minions a bit busier........

Unpaid overtime for everyone!

CramCycle · 03-04-2016 04:13PM

Credit where credit is due, they done a good job.

eeeee · 03-04-2016 10:33PM

So Drury st car park closes at 10pm on a Sunday. Did not know that! On the bus home, bike is stranded inside

Hate the bike being out all night. Town was so busy I forgot it was a Sunday :O

Alek · 04-04-2016 04:16AM

Town was so busy I forgot it was a Sunday :O

Ah, student life...

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