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Yeah_Right · 29-03-2016 04:51PM

Stheno wrote: »

QUick question here on the whole World Rugby thing with Marler.

Can they impose a ban that applies to any competition he plays in?

Yes. As long as it's sanctioned by World Rugby which the Premiership and ERC are.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 29-03-2016 06:12PM

RPA not happy with the Marler situation.

http://therpa.co.uk/rpa-statement-on-joe-marler/

“As people throughout the game know, Joe is no racist. He made a comment when provoked and is now being hung out to dry in this excruciating media witch hunt whilst World Rugby have intervened against the RFU and the 6 Nations.

Bazzo · 29-03-2016 06:16PM

I don't know how he was provoked, in the video he quite clearly comes walking from a distance away from Lee trying to get his attention by shouting at him...

The video looks like it might have been removed from youtube but it's still available here

Teferi · 29-03-2016 06:21PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

RPA not happy with the Marler situation.

http://therpa.co.uk/rpa-statement-on-joe-marler/

No offence to any English people but by-and-large they are magnificently and fantastically ignorant about any part of Ireland or Irish culture, including Irish Traveller stock beyond the common tropes so I haven't been taking any English outrage seriously at all.

thomond2006 · 29-03-2016 06:24PM

errlloyd wrote: »

Johan Goosen's has apparently signed a four year extension, meaning he is currently contracted for 4 years + the two months or so he has left. Afaik he's now got the longest contract in rugby history.

I've been saying for some time now that rugby is slipping towards football style contracting. This is a real development in the game.

I think Edwin Maka got a 5 year deal from Toulouse?

Edit: http://www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/stade-toulousain-le-prodige-edwin-maka-prolonge-jusqu-2017-2308121102.php

Buer · 29-03-2016 06:25PM

The RPA are really coming off badly there. Whoever is doing their PR needs to be hauled in. Whatever about supporting their guy, the tone of the statement is awful.

"Provoked", "hung out to dry", "media witch hunt", "defies belief", "move on".

I'm not a racist but.

Pink Fairy · 29-03-2016 06:28PM

Buer wrote: »

Well, that puts paid to Munster signing him anyway.

That wasn't happening anyway as they had a look and it was a non starter.

Pink Fairy · 29-03-2016 06:30PM

Buer wrote: »

The RPA are really coming off badly there. Whoever is doing their PR needs to be hauled in. Whatever about supporting their guy, the tone of the statement is awful.

"Provoked", "hung out to dry", "media witch hunt", "defies belief", "move on".

I'm not a racist but.

Conor O'Shea came out in support of him earlier and was quoted as being very unhappy about perceived double standards

errlloyd · 29-03-2016 06:30PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think Edwin Maka got a 5 year deal from Toulouse?

Edit: http://www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/stade-toulousain-le-prodige-edwin-maka-prolonge-jusqu-2017-2308121102.php

Wow. That is fairly insane for a rugby player! I bow to Thomond's superior knowledge of rugby transfers.

Buer · 29-03-2016 06:48PM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Conor O'Shea came out in support of him earlier and was quoted as being very unhappy about perceived double standards

Double standards or not, you cannot say what he said on a rugby pitch. It's akin to "But he started it" in the schoolyard. He deserves to be punished and excuses aren't going to change that.

If Lee instigated the situation and made comments of his own, they should be dealt with separately.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 29-03-2016 06:55PM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Conor O'Shea came out in support of him earlier and was quoted as being very unhappy about perceived double standards

Where's the double standards?

Pink Fairy · 29-03-2016 06:58PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Where's the double standards?

http://www.skysports.com/share/10221473

former total · 29-03-2016 07:26PM

World Rugby are opening a serious can of worms here. Either the Six Nations runs its own discipline process or it doesn't.

Marler should have been suspended, but by the Six Nations. World Rugby are only sticking their oar in for PR reasons.

errlloyd · 29-03-2016 07:27PM

C'OS is wrong here really. Although it's not ideal to call someone a posh English C***, the truth is posh English people as a group in society are probably fine. We protect underprivileged minorities because as a group in society they're fragile. Allowing racism to go against them unchecked can really disenfranchise them.

Equity isn't treating everyone the exact same. It is a treating everyone different in order to achieve the same outcome.

Stheno · 29-03-2016 07:28PM

Does marler have a reputation for badness in the past?

pickarooney · 29-03-2016 07:59PM

I think it's a bit much when the whole world gets to decide for Samson Lee that he's being oppressed by Joe Marler when he himself shrugged it off as nothing.

Pink Fairy · 29-03-2016 08:19PM

I have to agree, the term gypsy is not a derogatory word, it was used in a sledging like manner, the same as calling him a Welsh sheep shagger
At best he deserves a warning as to his future conduct and leave it there

OldRio · 29-03-2016 08:29PM

To be honest if the six nations disciplinary panel did their job correctly in the first place it would be over and done with.

I hope World Rugby throw the book at him.

wp_rathead · 29-03-2016 08:30PM

Lads, racism has absolutely ZERO place in rugby
This isn't "PC gone mad" - it was a racist slur and should have been dealt with by the 6 Nations Disciplinary Committee

Pink Fairy · 29-03-2016 08:32PM

wp_rathead wrote: »

Lads, racism has absolutely ZERO place in rugby
This isn't "PC gone mad" - it was a racist slur and should have been dealt with by the 6 Nations Disciplinary Committee

It's not racist, it's the same as me calling you a Connemara cnut it ain't nice, but it's true

irishbucsfan · 29-03-2016 08:34PM

It's hard enough spreading the sport as it is, especially amongst minorities. At least amongst the travelling community in Wales we have the likes of Lee and Ceri Sweeney among others who have opened up that avenue, the last thing we want are young kids from that background thinking what Marler did wasn't a very serious issue. I really hope he spends some time in the stands.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 29-03-2016 08:37PM

wp_rathead wrote: »

Lads, racism has absolutely ZERO place in rugby
This isn't "PC gone mad" - it was a racist slur and should have been dealt with by the 6 Nations Disciplinary Committee

Exactly. I've seen it mentioned a few times since this incident that under British law this is racism. Whether you or I think it is or isn't is irrelevant. If someone was to racially abuse Maro Itoje in a match people would be up in arms and this incident will have set the precedent for how rugby deals with it.

Stheno · 29-03-2016 08:44PM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

It's not racist, it's the same as me calling you a Connemara cnut it ain't nice, but it's true

No it's not the same under British law. Reading between the lines on what COS said, Marler was called a posh cnut and reacted subsequently

wp_rathead · 29-03-2016 08:46PM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

It's not racist, it's the same as me calling you a Connemara cnut it ain't nice, but it's true

it's really not the same at all though
Us Connemara people aren't a recognised ethnic group

Stheno · 29-03-2016 08:47PM

wp_rathead wrote: »

it's really not the same at all though
Us Connemara people aren't a recognised ethnic group

Kerry people are though :pac:

Pink Fairy · 29-03-2016 08:52PM

wp_rathead wrote: »

it's really not the same at all though
Us Connemara people aren't a recognised ethnic group

Actually, you could make a case that ye are !

Stheno · 29-03-2016 08:53PM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Actually, you could make a case that ye are !

Feck, I read that in a Michael Healy-Rae accent.

Took a few minutes

errlloyd · 29-03-2016 09:15PM

pickarooney wrote: »

I think it's a bit much when the whole world gets to decide for Samson Lee that he's being oppressed by Joe Marler when he himself shrugged it off as nothing.

It's not really about Samson. Use a slur is derogatory to a whole community, and plenty of representatives from that community have come out and condemned it.

What Jacques Poitgetier was homophobic there was no suggestion that anyone was he directed it at was even gay. David Pocock immediately reacted by saying "There could be gay people out here". I'd say if you were an Emerald Warrior or a Sydney Convict (the two gay rugby teams) and you'd heard him call someone a "******" and get away with it then it would really put you off rugby.

.ak · 29-03-2016 09:57PM

former total wrote: »

World Rugby are opening a serious can of worms here. Either the Six Nations runs its own discipline process or it doesn't.

Marler should have been suspended, but by the Six Nations. World Rugby are only sticking their oar in for PR reasons.

Hmm, I don't agree. This is exactly why you have a central body. They've done it before with sanzar. Tbh they're completely right. It shouldn't have been brushed off because it sets a dangerous precedent.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 29-03-2016 10:02PM

You'd assume given the fuss it's caused World Rugby will have to dish out some sort of punishment otherwise it's going to look like they only did it for show or ended up bowing to pressure from the union or other people who have spoken out.

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