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Footballer Adam Johnson jailed for 6 years

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  • #122
    thattequilagirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭thattequilagirl


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Seems that most of this sentence was for the year of abuse girl suffered because he threw her to the wolves. Can a judge do that, I guess so. The crime itself was 6-12 months
    From what judge said it was more to do with the way he treated her after their consensual relationship.
    He should of just admitted it and said '' yea, so what, it was consensual'' slap on wrist for breaking the law.
    1000's of 19-24 years old break this law every weekend in UK, and 1000's of girls like the one in this case go looking for it.
    '' recorded messages to brag about it to her friends'' O yea , she has no blame . DTS

    There is no such thing as consent with a 15 year old. That's why the legal age you can have sex is called the "age of consent"


  • #123
    noaddedsugar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 316 ✭✭noaddedsugar


    I think he deserves 6 years. He was in a position of power and he abused that. He knew the girl idolised him, he knew her age and he took advantage of that to groom and assault her.
    No matter what she did, she was still below the age of consent and he as an adult should have never allowed anything to happen. He isn't some hapless idiot, he is an adult and as an adult you know it is wrong to have sexual contact with someone below the age of consent so you don't do it. As an adult you understand the consequences of things far more than a 15 year old ever can. Most 15 year olds think they know every thing, think they have the world sussed but that is not the reality.


  • #124
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    saintsaltynuts wrote: »
    The man had everything.

    Except a right foot.


  • #125
    [Deleted User]
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    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    There is no such thing as consent with a 15 year old. That's why the legal age you can have sex is called the "age of consent"

    Many counties in Europe have an age of consent of 15 or even lower. I don't know why as its far too young but the fact is there are counties where a low age of consent exists.

    He is an idiot he has thrown away his career and deserved punishment but the sentence is extremely harsh and the girl involved is far from the little innocent child people would like to portray, she knew well what she was doing and was most likely planning some sort of kiss and tell..


  • #126
    Lights On
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    Serious amount of victim blaming going on in this thread. Is it any wonder why people don't always come forward in cases like this..


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  • #127
    [Deleted User]
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    Laws are there so adults know not to exploit the lack of maturity of kids. Things like thinking you're grown up enough to be chasing footballers and sexting older men, things that can lead to you being psychologically harmed even if you think you can handle it at the time. Things a responsible adult would ignore in a kid, or take them aside and tell them they should go home.

    That's why adults are expected to act like adults and dismiss them as immature kids, not groom a kid because they can and sure she was slutty anyway, I mean she chased him right? He's the real victim here, she was probably looking for a kiss and tell. She's no innocent, that kid, just a cunning underage 15 year old predator out to cause trouble for the poor misguided and misled premiership footballer who said he knew her age but put it out of his mind because she was just another girl to get with.

    I see the victim blaming is revving up.


  • #128
    HardenendMan
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    I'd like to hear people's thoughts on my opinion re inconsistent sentencing for man vs woman perpetrators.

    I know that when I was 15 (I'm male btw) that if an adult woman groomed me and had sex with me that I would be delighted. And I know all my mates would be too. We would be far from physcologically damaged. We'd be heroes among our peers.

    So I don't think a woman should be penalised as much. Sure it's wrong for her to do it, but the victim isn't really a victim are they??

    I'm not speaking for all young boys of course. There are vulnerable ones that are exceptions to the above.

    What do other men think? Would you have felt victimised? What do women think? Do yee understand the mindset of young lads in these cases?

    Sorry in advance if I have offended someone due to my ignorance of what they may have experienced.


  • #129
    Penny Tration
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    I'm genuinely in shock at the amont of people blaming the girl, saying she consented (she didn't, she is incapable of consent), saying he made a "mistake" (a mistake is shagging someone from a bar that you assume is of age because they're in a bar, not grooming), saying he shouldn't have gotten jail, she's not a child and so on.


    I'm truly shocked so many people in Ireland think like this. I thought we were past the victim blame game and the acceptance of sexual abuse of minors.

    I'm really disgusted :/


  • #130
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    HardenendMan wrote: »
    I'd like to hear people's thoughts on my opinion re inconsistent sentencing for man vs woman perpetrators.

    I know that when I was 15 (I'm male btw) that if an adult woman groomed me and had sex with me that I would be delighted. And I know all my mates would be too. We would be far from physcologically damaged. We'd be heroes among our peers.

    So I don't think a woman should be penalised as much. Sure it's wrong for her to do it, but the victim isn't really a victim are they??

    I'm not speaking for all young boys of course. There are vulnerable ones that are exceptions to the above.

    What do other men think? Would you have felt victimised? What do women think? Do yee understand the mindset of young lads in these cases?

    Sorry in advance if I have offended someone due to my ignorance of what they may have experienced.

    Unless it happens, you can't know how you'd feel.

    Women should not get more lenient sentencing and it's appalling that they do in most cases.

    You've no idea how it'd feel, you can only guess that you'd enjoy it and feel no repercussions.


  • #131
    One eyed Jack
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    Nora Silly Scale wrote: »
    Many counties in Europe have an age of consent of 15 or even lower.


    This happened in the UK though, where Adam Johnson knew that the age of consent was 16, and instead of telling the girl she was simply far too young for him, he played on her infatuation with him. He alone is entirely responsible for his own actions.

    He is an idiot he has thrown away his career and deserved punishment but the sentence is extremely harsh and the girl involved is far from the little innocent child people would like to portray, she knew well what she was doing and was most likely planning some sort of kiss and tell..


    Wouldn't matter if she were the Devil incarnate. Johnson was aware of the law, he was aware of the girl's age, and he continued to encourage her and manipulate her. He chose to ignore the fact that the girl was below the age of consent, and any sexual activity with her would be entirely his own responsibility, leaving him liable to the possibility of prosecution.

    Only one of them breaking the law, the other was of course the innocent party.


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  • #132
    HardenendMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Penny Tration wrote: »
    Unless it happens, you can't know how you'd feel.

    Women should not get more lenient sentencing and it's appalling that they do in most cases.

    You've no idea how it'd feel, you can only guess that you'd enjoy it and feel no repercussions.

    Very true, I would concede that. I've never heard of anyone personally who's experienced it I will admit.


  • #133
    strandroad
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    Nora Silly Scale wrote: »
    and the girl involved is far from the little innocent child people would like to portray, she knew well what she was doing and was most likely planning some sort of kiss and tell..

    In another thread it's amazing how people write such things freely about a 15 year old girl but turn to condemn him the moment they hear about animal sex tapes. As if you'd not grant a girl the same compassion you'd grant a dog or a cat.


  • #134
    HardenendMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Lillysteel wrote: »
    You can't just assume based on gender who is and isn't a victim.

    Why not? There's no point in ignoring the fact that men and women think and act differently to the same situations. That's not sexist. It's just a fact. We can't be afraid to accept these differences between the genders for the sake of being politically correct can we?


  • #135
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,524 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    HardenendMan wrote: »
    I'd like to hear people's thoughts on my opinion re inconsistent sentencing for man vs woman perpetrators.

    I know that when I was 15 (I'm male btw) that if an adult woman groomed me and had sex with me that I would be delighted. And I know all my mates would be too. We would be far from physcologically damaged. We'd be heroes among our peers.

    So I don't think a woman should be penalised as much. Sure it's wrong for her to do it, but the victim isn't really a victim are they??

    I'm not speaking for all young boys of course. There are vulnerable ones that are exceptions to the above.

    What do other men think? Would you have felt victimised? What do women think? Do yee understand the mindset of young lads in these cases?

    Sorry in advance if I have offended someone due to my ignorance of what they may have experienced.


    Would you have felt the same way do you think if you had been groomed by a man?


  • #136
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Wouldn't matter if she were the Devil incarnate. Johnson was aware of the law, he was aware of the girl's age, and he continued to encourage her and manipulate her. He chose to ignore the fact that the girl was below the age of consent, and any sexual activity with her would be entirely his own responsibility, leaving him liable to the possibility of prosecution.

    Only one of them breaking the law, the other was of course the innocent party.

    If he grabbed her off the street and threw her in the back of a van and drove off you would say she didn't know what she was doing. Technically you are right she did nothing wrong but the fact she knew well what she was doing and I doubt very much she was in anyway "physiologically affected" (by the incident anyway maybe by the social media stuff afterwards) explains why people don't have much sympathy for her.

    Also yes he broke the law and was wrong I don't think anyone is denying that but for what he did 6 years in jail is very harsh. People get far more lenient sentences for far far worse crimes and when it comes to punishment the only way to judge a sentence is to compare to others and it comes out looking very harsh.

    Banned.


  • #137
    HardenendMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Would you have felt the same way do you think if you had been groomed by a man?

    No. I am straight. I would most definitely be a victim in that case. I'm strictly speaking about young boy being propositioned by a woman.


  • #138
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Seems that most of this sentence was for the year of abuse girl suffered because he threw her to the wolves. Can a judge do that, I guess so. The crime itself was 6-12 months
    From what judge said it was more to do with the way he treated her after their consensual relationship.
    He should of just admitted it and said '' yea, so what, it was consensual'' slap on wrist for breaking the law.
    1000's of 19-24 years old break this law every weekend in UK, and 1000's of girls like the one in this case go looking for it.
    '' recorded messages to brag about it to her friends'' O yea , she has no blame . DTS
    Nora Silly Scale wrote: »
    If he grabbed her off the street and threw her in the back of a van and drove off you would say she didn't know wha she was going. Technically you are right she did nothing wrong but the fact she knew well what she was doing and I doubt very much she was in anyway "physiologically affected" (by the incident anyway maybe by the social media stuff afterwards) explains why people don't have much sympathy for her.

    Also yes he broke the law and was wrong I don't think anyone is denying that but for what he did 6 years in jail is very harsh.


    You know that part of grooming involves getting the victim to partake of the kinds of things she did, right? You get them to participate in the activity by manipulating them, so you have them convinced they're willing.

    Then people like you say she was complicit in the crimes against herself, and isn't really harmed or a victim. So the bad guy doesn't look so bad after all, and she looks like she wanted it.

    Mission acomplished, eh?


  • #139
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,753 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    Does this mean, he won't be in any more episodes of Homeland ?

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/23/15/27E78B2900000578-3052373-Charged_with_four_offences_Sunderland_footballer_Adam_Johnson_ar-m-61_1429799615328.jpg

    https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/181646354.jpg

    http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7486342.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Adam-and-Sophie-mAIN.jpg


  • #140
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,524 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Nora Silly Scale wrote: »
    If he grabbed her off the street and threw her in the back of a van and drove off you would say she didn't know what she was doing. Technically you are right she did nothing wrong but the fact she knew well what she was doing and I doubt very much she was in anyway "physiologically affected" (by the incident anyway maybe by the social media stuff afterwards) explains why people don't have much sympathy for her.


    I'm not just technically right though, I am right. She did nothing wrong. She did not grab Adam Johnson off the street either, and he could easily have chosen to say to her from the minute he had an inkling of her infatuation that she was far too young. Instead, he chose to google the age of consent in the UK.

    Also yes he broke the law and was wrong I don't think anyone is denying that but for what he did 6 years in jail is very harsh. People get far more lenient sentences for far far worse crimes and when it comes to punishment the only way to judge a sentence is to compare to others and it comes out looking very harsh.


    But it isn't about the actions or sentences of other people and what they did or didn't do. None of that was relevant to Johnson when he chose to break the law, and I personally don't think it was harsh enough to be considered setting an example to discourage anyone else from doing the same thing .


  • #141
    rsh118
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭rsh118


    Man who deserves to go to jail goes to jail.

    Total non-discussion.


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  • #142
    [Deleted User]
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    Penny Tration wrote: »
    .... He was found guilty of grooming her. She was not on trial and was not accused of grooming him.

    I wouldn't bother with the one-post-wonders Penny. :)


  • #143
    rsh118
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭rsh118


    15 year old girls tend to be easier to manipulate than millionaire 28 year olds with a partner and child.


  • #144
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't know why anyone is answering him, he's obviously on the wind-up.


  • #145
    Dave_The_Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,482 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    I assume this has been posted before now...


    Candie wrote: »
    I don't know why anyone is answering him, he's obviously on the wind-up.

    Indeed I noticed the post count too late.


  • #146
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    He deserves everything he gets.

    The amount of victim blaming on here is scary.

    His attitude and arrogance helped him get sentenced to six years. He only has himself to blame.

    Adam Johnson

    Guilty of grooming a child.
    Arrested for animal porn.
    Drugs for sti's found at his house.
    Cheated on his girlfriend too many times to mention-probably exposing her to sti's) too!
    Sent texts to his girlfriend about their brand new baby within minutes of grooming the victim.
    Allowed his family to name the victim on his facebook appeal page(don't for one second say he did not know what these people were doing.
    Has never apologised for his behaviour only sat there with his smug pasty face and brazened it out.

    His sister said she is very proud of him.

    That's an awful lot to be proud of, don't you think?


  • #147
    HardenendMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    I assume this has been posted before now...


    Don't like that carry on to be honest. Using a child abuse case as the subject in order to have a laugh chanting.


  • #148
    [Deleted User]
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    This thread is so depressing. Probably a new low, for now anyway.


  • #149
    rsh118
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭rsh118


    Candie wrote: »
    This thread is so depressing. Probably a new low, for now anyway.

    Shift over to Twitter for true depression on this issue. On the other hand, I thank Twitter for constantly reminding me how great it was when idiots couldn't bounce idiotic thoughts off each other on Twitter.


  • #150
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    Again, urgh.


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  • #151
    HardenendMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    whatismyname wrote: »
    Again, urgh.

    Jesus that is sickening. Telling her to delete the messages - the scum bag knew well what he was doing is wrong.


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