Footballer Adam Johnson jailed for 6 years

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-03-2016 04:27PM

He should have just told her to fcuk off when she started hanging out at the training ground etc. Instead he encouraged her interest and took advantage of it. It's going to cost him 4 years with his baby daughter now, the guy is an idiot.

Eimee90 · 24-03-2016 04:36PM

The sentence has to be harsh, sexual activity with a minor is a crime, I'm all for any measures to get that message across to people. Anybody who says I doubt the kid suffered pysch damage is a fool, 15 year old is not supposed to be in these type of situations. And regardless of their willingless, they are children. What do you expect.

nehe milner skudder · 24-03-2016 04:42PM

What does grooming mean these days?

She contacted him first . She partook in the texts , the flirting etc
Id say it's tough actually being a footballer off the pitch. Women throwing their mutton at you left right and centre.

To me grooming is for instance a teacher making a student stay back after class for bull**** reasons to get them alone etc touching them . Working on them over a number of months.

He is a clown and if it were my sister he'd get a punch in the nose, but i think the shouts of paedophile etc are wide of the mark.

Its ephebophilia I'm led to believe. I don't think this fella is a kiddy fiddler and I dont think he is a danger to society .

Jimoslimos · 24-03-2016 04:45PM

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Woman has sex with 11 year old and gets no jail time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3295537/Attorney-General-review-sentence-babysitter-Jade-Hatt-21-sex-11-year-old-boy-spared-jail.html

Johnson gets six years, didn't have sex with the 15 year old.

Where's the consistency?

Graham Rix, former Arsenal and England footballer and Chelsea coach received 1 year in prison (served 6 months) for sex with a 15 y/o girl AND walked back into his old job at Chelsea. Inconsistency isn't simply a gender thing.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/mar/27/vivekchaudhary

nehe milner skudder · 24-03-2016 04:46PM

But he did break a law knowingly so deserves what he gets.

But I do think a broader discussion on sexuality etc needs to be had. It's culturally sensitive.

He is going down for something that's legal in other countries ( I know that's a poor argument ) and this a girl of sexually reproductive capacity .

I'm not defending him but I think it's an interesting discussion to be had

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-03-2016 04:49PM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

What does grooming mean these days?

She contacted him first . She partook in the texts , the flirting etc
Id say it's tough actually being a footballer off the pitch. Women throwing their mutton at you left right and centre.

To me grooming is for instance a teacher making a student stay back after class for bull**** reasons to get them alone etc touching them . Working on them over a number of months.

He is a clown and if it were my sister he'd get a punch in the nose, but i think the shouts of paedophile etc are wide of the mark.

Its ephebophilia I'm led to believe. I don't think this fella is a kiddy fiddler and I dont think he is a danger to society .

I don't think anyone here is calling him a nonce or a rapist or anything, he's obviously not.

He should have known better and ran this girl the day he first clapped eyes on her. Instead he acted like a creep and strung her along and took advantage of a minor. He's the mature one, she's a 15 year old schoolgirl.

Does it warrant 6 years in prison no but what it does do is send out a strong message that any sexual contact with a minor is strictly forbidden.

Electric Sex Pants · 24-03-2016 04:53PM

What he did was wrong yes, but 6 years is ridiculous. The girl is made out to be some poor innocent victim, she knew full well what she was doing.

This is being done to set an example but does that make it right?

Also a female teacher in the UK got community service after she had sex with a 15 year old male student over 50 times. And Johnson gets 6 years for fingering a 15 year old girl once? Something doesn't add up there.

Once again, he deserves to be punished yes, but 6 years is ridiculous.

VisibleGorilla · 24-03-2016 04:53PM

Sentence is insanely harsh, completely made an example due to who he is.

It will be reduced on appeal.

Paddy Cow · 24-03-2016 04:54PM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

Id say it's tough actually being a footballer off the pitch. Women throwing their mutton at you left right and centre.

Lol. It must be soooooo tough beating off all those women. Why didn't he get get off with a grown women, rather than grooming a young girl?

armaghlad · 24-03-2016 04:58PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Lol. It must be soooooo tough beating off all those women. Why didn't he get get off with a grown women, rather than grooming a young girl?

He did according to the prosecution. Many times. Clearly he got bored of cheating on his ex gf with adult women.

RealJohn · 24-03-2016 04:58PM

I don't necessarily think that the sentence was harsh but I do wonder if he wasn't in the public eye or if he was a bit younger (say 19 or 20) if he'd have had the same sentence.

RealJohn · 24-03-2016 05:03PM

Electric Sex Pants wrote: »

What he did was wrong yes, but 6 years is ridiculous. The girl is made out to be some poor innocent victim, she knew full well what she was doing.

The point of the law is that a fifteen year old can't know what she's doing in that respect, even if she thinks she does.

I do find it odd though that the attitude is "if they're both fifteen, we just have to make sure they do it safely but if only one is, it's a horrific crime, carrying jail time". I mean obviously, the point is to prevent adults manipulating children into doing things they don't fully understand but at the same time, the consequences are no less serious if two minors are involved - if anything, they can be more serious.

Paddy Cow · 24-03-2016 05:03PM

Cathy.C wrote: »

My thought would be in line with (the mostly wrong and seldom right) Katie Hopkins recently had to say on matter. Had the girl involved been a few years younger then that would be quite different but six years, for what amounted to brief sexual contact and which no force was used or implied, seems quite harsh to me. I wonder if he wasn't so successful would such a sentence have been felt suitable. I'm not so sure.

Ffs Katie called the 15yr old a slag and the 28yr old a pillock driven by his penis. Thankfully the courts have moved on from the line of thinking that women and young girls are manipulative harlots who are out to lead men astray :rolleyes:

RealJohn · 24-03-2016 05:07PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Ffs Katie called the 15yr old a slag and the 28yr old a pillock driven by his penis. Thankfully the courts have moved on from the line of thinking that women and young girls are manipulative harlots who are out to lead men astray :rolleyes:

Some of them are though. In today's reality tv culture, I imagine the idea of getting pregnant by a footballer and virtually ensuring the kid has money (in their mind anyway) would hold some appeal to some teenaged girls.

January · 24-03-2016 05:08PM

Media now reporting that Johnson had extreme animal pornography on his laptop and was also arrested for that but will not face any action for it.

Penny Tration · 24-03-2016 05:10PM

January wrote: »

Media now reporting that Johnson had extreme animal pornography on his laptop and was also arrested for that but will not face any action for it.

Based on some of the responses here, the animals probably 'knew what they were doing' too :mad:

January · 24-03-2016 05:11PM

Also, he's only going to serve 3 years before being released on license. He is also now on the sex offender's register for life.

Penny Tration · 24-03-2016 05:12PM

January wrote: »

Also, he's only going to serve 3 years before being released on license. He is also now on the sex offender's register for life.

I'm glad he's on the registry for life. was wondering if it'd be for life or for something like ten years.

icecream99 · 24-03-2016 05:20PM

January wrote: »

Media now reporting that Johnson had extreme animal pornography on his laptop and was also arrested for that but will not face any action for it.

Digressing here;

I would treat that with caution and be careful what we read into it. The Daily Mail have continued to refer to Johnson as a Paedophile, so anything which eggs the pudding on him being a depraved sex beast will be thrown in.

My understanding is that the Crown Prosecution Service take a decision on charges based on whether they believe that they have enough to get a conviction. If there is a realistic chance of a conviction, they prosecute. If they don't believe they can get a conviction, they won't prosecute.

So, who knows, could be some sort of video clip one of his immature premiership chums emailed him.

I once something in an article in a broadsheet newspaper which made some sort of passing reference to some sort of Japanese pornography.

So I googled. It involved poop. I was shocked, and yes, absolutely disgusting, but I did look in a sort of sick rubber necked car crash way. Now the thing is, even though it was brief and long deleted, I am sure there would be a trace of that on my hard drive if it was forensically analysed. In the event I am arrested for anything else, it could be suggested that I have an " interest in " and " found on my hard drive ".

RayM · 24-03-2016 05:21PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

Based on some of the responses here, the animals probably 'knew what they were doing' too :mad:

I suspect they don't hate animals as much as they hate women...

whatismyname · 24-03-2016 05:22PM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

What does grooming mean these days?

The NSPCC define it at 'Grooming is when someone builds an emotional connection with a child to gain their trust for the purposes of sexual abuse or exploitation.'

This may also help.

Edit: Just to add, I thought it seemed more sensible to include the UK info, as it's a UK case .

osarusan · 24-03-2016 05:25PM

icecream99 wrote: »

My understanding is that the Crown Prosecution Service take a decision on charges based on whether they believe that they have enough to get a conviction. If there is a realistic chance of a conviction, they prosecute. If they don't believe they can get a conviction, they won't prosecute.

That's not the only criterion though - not every crime for which there is sufficient evidence is prosecuted. They also base their decision on whether a prosecution is in the public interest.

If the sentence would be a few months, and a judge would likely rule that it should run concurrently with his existing sentence*, they might decide it isn't worth the cost of a prosecution, even if the evidence meets their standard.

*Just an example - I don't know what would likely happen.

Colser · 24-03-2016 05:31PM

Its a difficult one to call imo and Id have 2 different views on it depending on which side you look at it from..

If she was my daughter Id want to kill him but tbh Id be fairly peed off with her as well,she did start off the communication between them and some 15 yr old girls are very savvy now in regards to where they wanted that to lead.

If he was my son Id also want to kill him for being such an absolute dipstick and ruining his life in such a disgusting way BUT Id also feel that she knew what she was getting into.

As Im neithers parent (thankfully:pac:) I think he deserves what he got but I dont think shes comes out of this looking too well either.

edbrez · 24-03-2016 05:33PM

January wrote: »

Media now reporting that Johnson had extreme animal pornography on his laptop and was also arrested for that but will not face any action for it.

Were these animals underage?

Cathy.C · 24-03-2016 05:39PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

But an adult man, much older than the 15 year old, is a nasty, creepy predator.

Adam was 26? Do you really think that any 26 year old guy who is attracted to a 15 year old girl is nasty and creepy? My Dad was 24 when he married my 16 year old mother back in the 60's. In fact, I'd say most 16-year-old girls that got married around that time did so with guys that were in their 20's. A famous example would be Bo Derek who met her husband when she was 16. He was 30 years her senior and who she was with until the day he died almost 25 years later.

There is almost hysteria about inter-generational relationships these days as far as I can see. I of course agree that anyone that knowingly disregards sexual consent laws should face consequences for that. Of course they should but they should be measured and appropriate consequences. We see both men and women getting suspended sentences for abusing prepubescent children and so how can this sentence today be seen as measured. It can't. It's nothing short of madness to hand down a sentence of this length to someone who has brief sexual contact with someone who is just a year away from legally being able to get married (with parental consent).

Penny Tration · 24-03-2016 05:43PM

Cathy.C wrote: »

Adam was 26? Do you really think that any 26 year old guy who is attracted to a 15 year old girl is nasty and creepy? My Dad was 24 when he married my 16 year old mother back in the 60's. In fact, I'd say most 16-year-old girls that got married around that time did so with guys that were in their 20's. A famous example would be Bo Derek who met her husband when she was 16. He was 30 years her senior and who she was with until the day he died almost 25 years later.

There is almost hysteria about inter-generational relationships these days as far as I can see. I of course agree that anyone that knowingly disregards sexual consent laws should face consequences for that. Of course they should but they should be measured and appropriate consequences. We see both men and women getting suspended sentences for abusing prepubescent children and so how can this sentence today be seen as measured. It can't. It's nothing short of madness to hand down a sentence of this length to someone who has brief sexual contact with someone who is just a year away from legally being able to get married (with parental consent).

I think any man of his age who knows that a girl is 15 and still engages in a sexual relationship with her is a predator, yes.

Let's not pretend underage + adult relationships are normal, healthy things. Being acceptable 50 years ago doesn't make them acceptable now. Men were also allowed to rape and beat their wives back then, so comparing society now to society then is ridiculous.

VisibleGorilla · 24-03-2016 05:47PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

I think any man of his age who knows that a girl is 15 and still engages in a sexual relationship with her is a predator, yes.

That word used in this context boils my blood. It's completely meaningless.

He was a 26 year old man who probably has the maturity level of someone 10 years his junior. What he did was wrong and stupid but he is nothing even close to someone that label might apply to.

Penny Tration · 24-03-2016 05:50PM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

That word used in this context boils my blood. It's completely meaningless.

He was a 26 year old man who probably has the maturity level of someone 10 years his junior. What he did was wrong and stupid but he is nothing even close to someone that label might apply to.

Ah sure he's practically a child himself, so it's all grand!

He is the very definition of a sexual predator. He GROOMED A CHILD.

Gatling · 24-03-2016 05:52PM

Here's a worse case from yesterday totally different reporting style

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-used-rubber-penis-pretend-7616900

Attacker is called a woman and lesbian in the report a 23 year old woman had sex with a 12 year old girl with a sex toy .no mention of pedophile or sex beast

Penny Tration · 24-03-2016 05:54PM

Gatling wrote: »

Here's a worse case from yesterday totally different reporting style

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-used-rubber-penis-pretend-7616900

Attacker is called a woman and lesbian in the report a 23 year old woman had sex with a 12 year old girl with a sex toy .no mention of pedophile or sex beast

She's also a scumbag, sexual predator who should be jailed for a long time.

Seriously, if every single instance of child grooming is brought up, this thread would be well past the 10k post limit.

Footballer Adam Johnson jailed for 6 years

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