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The Jobbridge Scandal

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  • #5432
    Xenji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    fin12 wrote: »
    Is it not similar to gateway or tus schemes where ur selected by the dsp and have to comply with them .

    You are selected to go on the scheme by the DSP, but the people who are operating JobPath are two private companies from the UK, one of which is has being investigated by the UN over Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

    People employed in JobPath are given performance based payments, so the more people they get in full time employment, the more money they make, a friend of mine in a town with basically no jobs has to attend a meeting with them 3 days a week, these can last just for only a couple of minutes and the staff nearly all have a sales background and have no real experience in what they are supposed to be assisting with.


  • #5433
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Xenji wrote: »
    You are selected to go on the scheme by the DSP, but the people who are operating JobPath are two private companies from the UK, one of which is has being investigated by the UN over Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

    People employed in JobPath are given performance based payments, so the more people they get in full time employment, the more money they make, a friend of mine in a town with basically no jobs has to attend a meeting with them 3 days a week, these can last just for only a couple of minutes and the staff nearly all have a sales background and have no real experience in what they are supposed to be assisting with.

    God that's horrible, there have been numerous deaths linked to this schemes in the uk or forcing genuinely disabled people to work when they can't, their system is disgusting over there....


  • #5434
    Xenji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    fin12 wrote: »
    God that's horrible, there have been numerous deaths linked to this schemes in the uk or forcing genuinely disabled people to work when they can't, there system is disgusting over there....

    It is the same people doing it here.


  • #5435
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    Xenji, that's absolutely disgusting. I think you also mentioned before that you're in a small town where whatever work is available is all jobbridge.

    How do they get people into employment when there is free labour available in the form of jobbridge?

    Or is this a method to create suicide among the unemployed?


  • #5436
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Xenji wrote: »
    It is the same people doing it here.

    Jesus I'd sign myself up for a ce scheme or a jobsbridge if these f0ckers were after me, at least u have a choice of where and what ul do on these two schemes.

    I was on a ce scheme for two months at least it was my choice.


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  • #5437
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    The thought of it fills me with dread.

    I'm in a job but I can be let go at any time because I'm only new.


  • #5438
    Xenji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    For anyone who is doing an E-College or Springboard course, does the DSP leave you alone while you are on them or would you not have to do JobPath while doing them, would seem like a better option than being but into a situation you do not want to be in, while still improving yourself at the same time?


  • #5439
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    The Raptor wrote: »
    Xenji, that's absolutely disgusting. I think you also mentioned before that you're in a small town where whatever work is available is all jobbridge.

    How do they get people into employment when there is free labour available in the form of jobbridge?

    Or is this a method to create suicide among the unemployed?

    Well I felt completely trapped when they were forcing me to take up a tus scheme in my local area, I can't even describe the anxiety I was feeling and only for a job offer coming through I don't know what would have happened.


  • #5440
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    The Raptor wrote: »
    The thought of it fills me with dread.

    I'm in a job but I can be let go at any time because I'm only new.

    I'm the same I'm covering maternity leave.


  • #5441
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    fin12 wrote: »
    God that's horrible, there have been numerous deaths linked to this schemes in the uk or forcing genuinely disabled people to work when they can't, their system is disgusting over there....

    What I don't understand, why implement a system here that has been linked to suicides in the UK?


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  • #5442
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    The Raptor wrote: »
    What I don't understand, why implement a system here that has been linked to suicides in the UK?

    They don't care, people on the dole over there are viewed as probably not even human anymore, it's awful, my sister lives in uk and says they way they treat the unemployed over there is sick. Just thinking about it makes me feel sick because I don't have a stable job,


  • #5443
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    fin12 wrote: »
    Well I felt completely trapped when they were forcing me to take up a tus scheme in my local area, I can't even describe the anxiety I was feeling and only for a job offer coming through I don't know what would have happened.

    I know how you feel. They were going to force me into a course before, at the same level as the junior certificate. I have a level 6 and 7. Learning things as microsoft word, library researching, internet skills. They wouldn't let me pick my own course and perhaps learn something new.

    I found that time so so stressful, until I found my own course, a private course in security, I could have started the week after. But then they wouldn't give me the grant for private courses after I applied for it.


  • #5444
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    But that's the way society is gone, nobody gives a sh1t, has no compassion or empathy. No wonder so many people suffer with mental health.


  • #5445
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    http://www.thejournal.ie/unemployment-4500-deaths-by-suicide-1930270-Feb2015/


  • #5446
    Crazyteacher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭Crazyteacher


    Would they ever give up this ridiculous ideas and create real jobs. We should all leave.


  • #5447
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Crazyteacher wrote: »
    Would they ever give up this ridiculous ideas and create real jobs. We should all leave.
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?


  • #5448
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?

    I agree with the above, this whole "we will create jobs!" annoys me for the same reason.

    I don't see facilitating companies to take on staff for free as helping the unemployment issue, either, though. Many basic entry level jobs no longer exist because of this.


  • #5449
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?

    If it's not up to them to create jobs then why did so many of the parties run on the promise to create jobs. All these government schemes are taking away real jobs


  • #5450
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?

    But somehow its better to have street cleaners on the gateway scheme?


  • #5451
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?

    As far as I'm aware a lot of county and city council workers clean the streets so these are paid positions so why would unemployed people have to be cleaning the streets?


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  • #5452
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If it's not up to them to create jobs then why did so many of the parties run on the promise to create jobs. All these government schemes are taking away real jobs
    The Raptor wrote: »
    But somehow its better to have street cleaners on the gateway scheme?
    fin12 wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware a lot of county and city council workers clean the streets so these are paid positions so why would unemployed people have to be cleaning the streets?
    Not one of you answered my question.


  • #5453
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Always been my impression that jobbridge was created for the satisfaction of already employed voters. Dole figures are down, even if your taxes are still paying for someone to live, at least they're working for their 50 a week. The government "created jobs". The government can't go into a private company and tell them to take on a full time paid employee, but if they're offering a few free ones, then sure plenty of companies can take people on. And why would anyone pay for something they can get for free?


  • #5454
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote:
    Not one of you answered my question.


    If you did away with schemes such as jobs bridge you'd create numerous jobs by forcing businesses to pay the people it needs. There's thousands of stories many in this thread about how the scheme is being abused. Hell, the government itself is hiring people on it for positions that need to be filled but can't due to hiring restrictions.

    If the government doesn't want to create jobs then it doesn't gave to but the various parties involved shouldn't be campaigning on the jobs they plan to create.

    The new scheme is another in the never ending ploys by the government to massage the figures and look good. I believe that the company running the latest on are the same crowd who in the UK deemed a man in a coma fit for work and suspended his benefits. They've also gone after those with disabilities and deemed many fit for work when they are not. A recent report covered in the Guardian stated that something like 6% of doctors had come across a patient who had attempted to take or taken their own life over fears if having to take the test which would deem them fit or unfit for work.


  • #5455
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Not one of you answered my question.

    Your question doesn't need answering because it doesn't make any sense. There are people employed to clean the streets already...


  • #5456
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    fin12 wrote: »
    Your question doesn't need answering because it doesn't make any sense. There are people employed to clean the streets already...

    What,would you have the government do to "create" jobs?


  • #5457
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,185 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The Raptor wrote: »
    But somehow its better to have street cleaners on the gateway scheme?

    Yes, because THE FREE MARKET IS GOOD, THE FREE MARKET IS GREAT, THE SKOBES SURRENDER THEIR WILL AS OF THIS DATE.


  • #5458
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,244 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What,would you have the government do to "create" jobs?

    The government is not there to create jobs as you rightly said.

    They are there however to help create, nurture and sustain an environment where job creation and sustainability is easier and possible.

    Some of their schemes in principle (but alas not in reality) do this.

    Jobbridge would be great if implemented properly. They could take a small cohort of civil servants, maybe two from each council, give them minimum parameters, and block those continuously offering positions that do not meet these requirements and take down those that already exist that do not meet those requirements.

    They obviously have someone somewhere doing this but without the guidelines as I applied to put up a job just to test it and I heard nothing back and the job was not put up.


  • #5459
    king2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭king2


    Is there some confusion here between jobpath and jobbridge. The two are completely separate, yes? Jobbridge is where a private employer gets the free labour of an unemployed person - the person retains their unemployment payment + 50 euro. Jobpath is where unemployed people are forced to work with private recruitment agencies who are contracted by the Government and paid for each unemployed person they take off the live register. Is it the case that if you are on jobpath you can be forced into a jobbridge position?


  • #5460
    Xenji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    king2 wrote: »
    Is there some confusion here between jobpath and jobbridge. The two are completely separate, yes? Jobbridge is where a private employer gets the free labour of an unemployed person - the person retains their unemployment payment + 50 euro. Jobpath is where unemployed people are forced to work with private recruitment agencies who are contracted by the Government and paid for each unemployed person they take off the live register. Is it the case that if you are on jobpath you can be forced into a jobbridge position?

    You are not included on the live register if you are doing the 12 months of Jobpath, but they get paid if they get you into full time 30 hours a week employment, they are basically using Jobsplus as the main incentive for employers to take on their clients, so in theory even when a person gains employment the government pay the employer €10,000 over a 24 month period to help cover wages.

    If you are on Jobpath they do not force to into any other activation schemes, their only goal is to get you a job as that is how they make money, even if offered a job you do not have to accept it if it does not suit you, have a friend working for one of the two companies, the nicer one that is not being investigated for human rights abuses :pac:


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  • #5461
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    CramCycle wrote: »
    The government is not there to create jobs as you rightly said.

    They are there however to help create, nurture and sustain an environment where job creation and sustainability is easier and possible.

    Some of their schemes in principle (but alas not in reality) do this.

    Jobbridge would be great if implemented properly. They could take a small cohort of civil servants, maybe two from each council, give them minimum parameters, and block those continuously offering positions that do not meet these requirements and take down those that already exist that do not meet those requirements.
    Your right government isn't supposed to create jobs,but incentivize companies creating them.

    JB would been total success by having few simple rules implemented -only allow companies to advertise positions that would become permanent once person is trained-and depending on position no more then 2wks-3months,that simple thus any company wanting to hire,would be in contract where person is guaranteed position after training time expires.

    but since state want stats low and didn't give a f about anything besides dropping numbers they failed.

    Since dont imagine in what state person has to be to take work with 50e plus 40h week.when commuting,food-and at the end of it no work is path.Better taking hit on 50e not taking such crap,since it works out that your either work beside someone getting proper wage-and companies getting free force and incentive to exploit such niche,even further.


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