Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

mayo.mick · 08-03-2016 10:05PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Lads FYI Aidan O Shea is on The Toughest Trade tonight @ 9.55 on RTE 2 trying his hand at American Football whilst ex NFL star Roberto Wallace heads to Breaffy.It should be interesting.I've seen the promo,Robert Hennelly togs out too in McHale Park.

Brendan Maher the Tipperary hurler swaps places with the fine ex English seam bowler Steve Harmison.

EDIT ACTUALLY HE'S NOT ON UNTIL NEXT WEEK

Yeah, they had it first advertised that Aido and Roberto would be on tonight. Only seen it there now that the hurling and cricket are on tonight instead

seligehgit · 11-03-2016 08:56PM

Kerry mean business on Sunday,very strong line up.Pretty much a championship team.

1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin
2. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht
3. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore
4. Shane Enright Tarbert
5. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers
6. Aidan O’Mahony Rathmore
7. Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes
8. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks
9. Bryan Sheehan (C) St Marys
10. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes
11. Paul Murphy Rathmore
12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane
13. Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar
14. Colm Cooper Dr Crokes
15. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare

mayo.mick · 11-03-2016 09:01PM

Rossies after giving our minors a bit of a trimming, 2-20 to 1-02 in Bekan. We didn't score at all in second half I think.

seligehgit · 11-03-2016 10:49PM

Mayo team named

Robert Hennelly
Brendan Harrison
Ger Cafferkey
Chris Barrett
Lee Keegan
Colm Boyle
Shane Nally
Tom Parsons
Seamus O Shea
Diarmuid O Connor
Aidan O Shea
Kevin McLoughlin
Evan Regan
Jason Doherty
Conor O Shea

Fowler87 · 12-03-2016 06:47PM

Still can't get my head around that thumping Mayo got against Ros. Its pretty worrying

davegrohl48 · 12-03-2016 07:17PM

Fowler87 wrote: »

Still can't get my head around that thumping Mayo got against Ros. Its pretty worrying

It would nearly warrant a county board EGM. Not joking. But completely non-competitive has never happened ever within Connaught for Mayo. It is no exageration to say it is a record low for minor. So what is the rescue plan for next year? How to even just lower the margin of defeat this year?

seligehgit · 12-03-2016 07:59PM

We didn't do a heck of a lot better last year against Galway in McHale Park,deeply worrying.There is a lot riding on the under 21s shoulders this year.

Syferus · 12-03-2016 08:12PM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

It would nearly warrant a county board EGM. Not joking. But completely non-competitive has never happened ever within Connaught for Mayo. It is no exageration to say it is a record low for minor. So what is the rescue plan for next year? How to even just lower the margin of defeat this year?

What? Ye've won plenty but I can instantly think of times Mayo weren't even close to being at the races in Connacht at a given grade. 2014 in U21 we gave ye a trimming in McHale, for example.

I seen the last two sets of Mayo U16 teams and they were average at best. We at least made the Webb final two years ago (hammered by Galway) and won the Webb Shield last year.

Galway and to a much lesser extent Sligo with their Summerhill and St. Mary's players back will be the teams to beat in Connacht minor.

davegrohl48 · 12-03-2016 08:22PM

Syferus wrote: »

What? Ye've won plenty but I can instantly think of times Mayo weren't even close to being at the races in Connacht at a given grade. 2014 in U21 we gave ye a trimming in McHale, for example.

I seen the last two sets of Mayo U16 teams and they were average at best. We at least made the Webb final two years ago (hammered by Galway) and won the Webb Shield last year.

Galway and to a much lesser extent Sligo with their Summerhill and St. Mary's players back will be the teams to beat in Connacht minor.

Did 2014 u21 in anyways compare to yesterdays result or last years result versus Galway? No. Mayo have rarely been beaten by even 10 point margins at u21 and minor which is around the mark of non-competitive.
The last two minor results are completely non-competitive and you will not find (confident on this) Mayo minor, U21 or even senior results to compare. Cork 93 defeat by 20 pts is the last result like this. Then the Cork league game at Senior this year. Then these two minor results. Other than that these big margins of defeat do not happen to Mayo minor or U21 teams (until now at minor).

13-03-2016 05:28PM

Just back from the game. Absolutely terrible forward performance again, they look clueless. Is there nobody in the county that can kick a ball over the bar from 20 yards ??

RD10 · 13-03-2016 06:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just back from the game. Absolutely terrible forward performance again, they look clueless. Is there nobody in the county that can kick a ball over the bar from 20 yards ??

Whole team performance was very poor. Very open at the back and kerry strolled through a number of times with ease.
But the forwards really are giving a very poor return. Apart from diarmuid (who was a little off today) none of the other forwards are contributing much scoring wise.
In first half Diarmuid scored a brilliant point from over near sideline but faded after that. Aidan got a point, which could have been a penalty? Apart from that did anyone else even have a proper shot at goal? Conor o'shea blasted a kick into the air but it didnt even end up near the goalposts.
Kevin mcloughlin to me is very unreliable on free kicks. Bad wides when they were scorable eniugh kucks. his striking of the ball looks very odd to me.

PressRun · 13-03-2016 07:22PM

Poor performance from the forwards our undoing yet again. We don't even have a reliable free taker, nevermind having anyone who can score from play. The amount of wides from very scorable frees was shocking. We looked very ponderous and lacked urgency when moving the ball up the field too, I thought.

AOS was ineffective and I just don't think he even looks comfortable up front. He looks like he doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing up there. We really need to figure out what we're doing with him.

Diarmuid scored a wonderful point from play, but he did fade and looked a bit frustrated there at the end with the second yellow. There has been rather a lot of responsibility heaped on him recently. It's easy to forget he's still a kiddo really. I think he's allowed to have an off-day.

Hennelly still makes me nervous in goal.

Tom Parsons gave a good account of himself and from a Mayo perspective, he was probably our best player.

From a Kerry perspective, I thought O'Mahony was great and worked hard. Colm Cooper was impressive too.

naughto · 13-03-2016 07:28PM

The rossies will have there hole out to bury us in two weeks time.
We will need a major upgrade from today's performance.
I no I said it before u will nothing with out free taker a lot of pressure on coc when he's back to preform.
Will doc get any suspension for the cards today

PressRun · 13-03-2016 07:37PM

I think Diarmuid will get a one match suspension for the two yellows.

padd b1975 · 13-03-2016 07:57PM

PressRun wrote: »

I think Diarmuid will get a one match suspension for the two yellows.

Nothing for two yellows as far as I'm aware.

km79 · 13-03-2016 08:02PM

RD10 wrote: »

Whole team performance was very poor. Very open at the back and kerry strolled through a number of times with ease.
But the forwards really are giving a very poor return. Apart from diarmuid (who was a little off today) none of the other forwards are contributing much scoring wise.
In first half Diarmuid scored a brilliant point from over near sideline but faded after that. Aidan got a point, which could have been a penalty? Apart from that did anyone else even have a proper shot at goal? Conor o'shea blasted a kick into the air but it didnt even end up near the goalposts.
Kevin mcloughlin to me is very unreliable on free kicks. Bad wides when they were scorable eniugh kucks. his striking of the ball looks very odd to me.

For the second free mcloughlin missed the ball was left with nobody near it for almost a minute
Any free taker worth their salt would have been all over it
He didn't want it
He is not a free taker and I wish management would stop putting him on them at any stage
Just cos he is left footed does not mean he is a good free taker from that side
Sure it was that easy we would have no problem with frees from either side !
It's a specialist skill.
Few lads used to get plenty of abuse before for being "just " good free takers !
They are worth their weight in gold

charlie14 · 13-03-2016 08:22PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nothing for two yellows as far as I'm aware.

Perversely it appears two yellows carry the same penalty as a black card other than no replacement player being allowed.

PressRun · 13-03-2016 09:09PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nothing for two yellows as far as I'm aware.

Yeah, I wasn't sure on it myself. My dad said he thought it was one match suspension and I just took his word for it!

yop · 13-03-2016 09:16PM

Poor again, ran out of steam and ran out of ideas. Return in poor and sideways football. Why do we persist with Hennelly taking frees, 2 of of 7 isn't a return and then taking probably the guts of 90 seconds to 2 mins per free.
We are well of the pace and I can't see any arguement for us not been relegated after another poor performance.
We will get hockied in Roscommon and rightly so.

The Buster · 13-03-2016 09:37PM

Completely agree re Hennelly. He looses accuracy outside 45 metres. Much better option would be someone else looking for a man or even drop it in around the square. Of the 5 frees Hennelly missed I guess we would have generated 2 points with other option

What was more frustrating was the lack of ideas going forward and players reluctant to take a shot on.

mayo.mick · 13-03-2016 09:51PM

Some match photos uploaded now. Very depressed this evening after todays performance, I'm heading for the pub I think....

http://michaelmaye.com/project/mayo-v-kerry-13th-march-2016/

homewardbound11 · 13-03-2016 10:03PM

Who is our forwards coach . I thought macentee and Buckley were defensive . Rockford is more defensive orientated .

While loosing today was poor form . I hoped that again we would see improvement . Kerry had a very strong panel and we didn't show respect to that in our line up . Just my opinion .
Of our remaining options for free taking neither Regan or freeman were tried .

Looking forward to 2,weeks I can't see Roscommon going any way but another loss at this late stage . That will end our division one campaign for the first time in our history .

Will the lives be out o hope not but pressure will surely be on .

RD10 · 13-03-2016 10:03PM

Just watched mayo kerry hilights bak on league sunday. Missed the actual incident at the match due to my view being blocked but im rather baffled and annoyed as to why diarmuid was awarded a second yellow card for a mere bloody push on fionn fitzgearld after he kicked the ball away. What annoys me more is the referees different interputations of fouls and colours of cards dished out. fitzgearld also received a yellow card for grabbing o'connor up around the neck and throwing him to the ground. Now im quite sure ppl will clearly remember our semi final replay last year where seamie o'shea got a black card for the exact same thing on jonny cooper and wasnt allowed play any further part in the match... today it was deemed a yellow card offence and fitzgearld got to play on. Very frustrating. The refs need to be consistant.
Also while im on a role another thing that annoyed was when donnaghy got sent off andy moran jumped up and took the free kick from over near the sideline quickly and it went harmlessly wide. Since when is andy the free taker? Who's supposed to be taking them from that side. did andy take a shot at goal cause ther was nobody else to take it? Like someone else said it seemed today like others didnt want responsibilty of it and they werent fully sure wat their roles were. Nobody was too bothered about standing up and leading the way. Now i really do love andy and hes great for getting the crowd going, and jes if he had scored that it would have really lifted everyone but just bit daft i taught.

padd b1975 · 13-03-2016 10:11PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Perversely it appears two yellows carry the same penalty as a black card other than no replacement player being allowed.

There's an anomaly there right enough as regards the ruling.
A player could be totting up yellows right left and centre without having to serve a suspension while a mistimed tackle that could easily draw a red brings a one match ban (in theory) and possibly more if another red is shown within a certain time frame.

Probably something that needs to be looked at.

seligehgit · 13-03-2016 10:32PM

What a disappointing day at the office after some decent performance progression culminating in last week’s win.Pretty similar setback to that we received against Dublin on the Saturday of St. Patrick’s weekend last year.
We seemed a tad nervy from the get go and a very strong Kerry team could have built up a decent lead only for a wonder point from Diarmuid O Connor and some uncharacteristically off key freetaking by the grand old maestro Bryan Sheehan.

Very disappointing miss by the referee on a blatant penalty for the pull back on Aidan O Shea.Johnny Buckley’s goal at the death of the first half undid so much of the good work our possession and four point lead deserved.

Having said all that Kerry were a different beast in the second half,some of the footpassing,movement and scoretaking was a joy to behold.The much malaligned Kieran Donaghy was outstanding today,Cooper and Johnny Buckley take a bow.Lots of other decent supporting roles Darran O Sullivan,Bryan Sheehan,Aidan O Mahony was imperious at the back.The second goal courtesy of an unfortunate error from Robert Hennelly was a real killer blow.

We continue to lack a cutting edge up front…our principal ongoing failing.It was a tad surprising that Shane Nally was called ashore,I thought he’d a decent first half in spite of Buckley’s 1-1.Tom Parsons continues to excel,by a country mile our best player on the day.

Aidan O Shea is struggling,having to cope multipile markers and taking too much out of the ball.Why everything has to be channelled through him ala Kieran McDonald I do not know?It oftentimes slows any impetus from the attacks.I could'nt understand for the life of me why he was'nt in around the square for Hennelly's longer distant frees that were likely to drop short.He certainly as a big man gets totally inadequate protection from officials.I’ve really no idea at this stage where it’s best to play him?

In general our build up play is far too ponderous and we are sadly lacking in top quality forwards.Even the mercurial Diarmuid O Connor had an off day.The dearth of new scoring forwards coming to the fore is a worry yet again for the summer.

I found it strange young Evan Regan did’nt start,he appears to have the makings of a decent free taker from the right side of the pitch.Poor Kevin McLoughlin does not want to be taking those frees and rightly so.He simply has neither the quality nor consistent reliability to be taking same,ditto Robert Hennelly.He’s at best a 50/50 bet taking same since he took on this duty for the longer distant ones.It really should’nt be the case that we are relying on our goalkeeper to kick frees.

12 wides to 3 tells a story but the relative ease with which the two teams scored from play tells a greater story.

2 weeks until a do or die game against Roscommon who blazing a trail.It’s going to be an uphill task winning in the Hyde,it appears our only hope of survival is if Monaghan win at most only one of their last two games against Kerry at home and Donegal away.If we both finish on 4 or 6 points we will stay up based on the head to head.Cork will beat Down and will stay up if we both finish on 6 points based on the head to head.Down appears to be our only guaranteed two points at this stage.

The sooner a fit and healthy Cillian O Connor returns for the championship the better,here’s hoping the Mitchels can give us something to cheer about on St. Patrick’s day after a very disappointing day.Their squad has much to offer us defensively,most especially Patrick Durkan.We are really spoiled for half backs and midfielders but here’s hoping the likes of Danny Kirby have something to offer to give us a badly needed injection of potency up front.

PressRun · 13-03-2016 10:43PM

I remember after last year's drawn semi final against Dublin I was listening to the radio and whoever was commenting on the match was saying that it almost seemed like an AOS rule had been brought in that allows defenders do whatever they like to him without being penalized. He certainly gets very little from referees but he also has a bad habit of running into the tackle and trying to take on too many men. It's one dimensional and predictable. I also think he just looks a bit laboured and frustrated sometimes in his current role.

yop · 13-03-2016 10:45PM

seligehgit wrote: »

What a disappointing day at the office after some decent performance progression culminating in last week’s win.Pretty similar setback to that we received against Dublin on the Saturday of St. Patrick’s weekend last year.
We seemed a tad nervy from the get go and a very strong Kerry team could have built up a decent lead only for a wonder point from Diarmuid O Connor and some uncharacteristically off key freetaking by the grand old maestro Bryan Sheehan.

Very disappointing miss by the referee on a blatant penalty for the pull back on Aidan O Shea.Johnny Buckley’s goal at the death of the first half undid so much of the good work our possession and four point lead deserved.

Having said all that Kerry were a different beast in the second half,some of the footpassing,movement and scoretaking was a joy to behold.The much malaligned Kieran Donaghy was outstanding today,Cooper and Johnny Buckley take a bow.Lots of other decent supporting roles Darran O Sullivan,Bryan Sheehan,Aidan O Mahony was imperious at the back.The second goal courtesy of an unfortunate error from Robert Hennelly was a real killer blow.

We continue to lack a cutting edge up front…our principal ongoing failing.It was a tad surprising that Shane Nally was called ashore,I thought he’d a decent first half in spite of Buckley’s 1-1.Tom Parsons continues to excel,by a country mile our best player on the day.

Aidan O Shea is struggling,having to cope multipile markers and taking too much out of the ball.Why everything has to be channelled through him ala Kieran McDonald I do not know?It oftentimes slows any impetus from the attacks.I could'nt understand for the life of me why he was'nt in around the square for Hennelly's longer distant frees that were likely to drop short.He certainly as a big man gets totally inadequate protection from officials.I’ve really no idea at this stage where it’s best to play him?

In general our build up play is far too ponderous and we are sadly lacking in top quality forwards.Even the mercurial Diarmuid O Connor had an off day.The dearth of new scoring forwards coming to the fore is a worry yet again for the summer.

I found it strange young Evan Regan did’nt start,he appears to have the makings of a decent free taker from the right side of the pitch.Poor Kevin McLoughlin does not want to be taking those frees and rightly so.He simply has neither the quality nor consistent reliability to be taking same,ditto Robert Hennelly.He’s at best a 50/50 bet taking same since he took on this duty for the longer distant ones.It really should’nt be the case that we are relying on our goalkeeper to kick frees.

12 wides to 3 tells a story but the relative ease with which the two teams scored from play tells a greater story.

2 weeks until a do or die game against Roscommon who blazing a trail.It’s going to be an uphill task winning in the Hyde,it appears our only hope of survival is if Monaghan win at most only one of their last two games against Kerry at home and Donegal away.If we both finish on 4 or 6 points we will stay up based on the head to head.Cork will beat Down and will stay up if we both finish on 6 points based on the head to head.Down appears to be our only guaranteed two points at this stage.

The sooner a fit and healthy Cillian O Connor returns for the championship the better,here’s hoping the Mitchels can give us something to cheer about on St. Patrick’s day after a very disappointing day.Their squad has much to offer us defensively,most especially Patrick Durkan.We are really spoiled for half backs and midfielders but here’s hoping the likes of Danny Kirby have something to offer to give us a badly needed injection of potency up front.

Some headscratching stuff for sure. Donie VAughan looked leaden footed, yet a much fitter and effective Nally was hauled off. Midwest said he was the "Cause" of 1.2, but Vaughan, from my own viewpoint, was completely ineffective and not able to track.
As per Donegal and Dublin, the Kerry team walked through the middle, where has our core gone to and why aren't we swarming the centre.
We used 4 free takers, and AOS, but I don't think he took a direct shot. We missed I'd guess 8-9 point off that.
So DOC was our standin last year and in fairness did well. And Regan on the bench. You'd have to question what is going on there, do we not practise frees?

Agree totally with the AOS as focal point, we can't be relied on that much, its too much to put through him and he is too slow to move away from the backs, not his fault though.
Labor of play is something I can't figure, 9 times out of 10 we slow the game down, why? We upped it twice and we cut straight through them. How many of our frees went backwards?

At one stage I counted 6 Mayo players in our 1/2 and no Kerry man, this was with 5 minutes to go.
Agree re the penalty, umpire could see it and the Sunday Game even hightlighted the abuse he gets, if that was Gooch, what would the result be???

Anyway, onwards and upwards.... I can see no progress and I think for the 1st time in 20 years we are going to Division 2, though are we just having a blip or are we finally running out of legs and steam? ?Have these players gone back to the well too many times?
Time will tell but this more than any game over the last few has me scratching my head.

PressRun · 13-03-2016 11:18PM

Does anyone know what the story is with Alan Freeman? Is he fit?

seligehgit · 13-03-2016 11:50PM

He was there today togged out in a Mayo tracksuit...Not too sure what the story is with him.I believe he's fit for action.

It does appear to be the case that Aidan O Shea is not particularly comfortable in his current role.

No Conor Loftus today either??

PressRun · 13-03-2016 11:54PM

Is Loftus with the U21s?

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