Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

13-03-2016 09:31PM

sonic85 wrote: »

Are they all girouds though? He got 20 plus goals in montpelliers title winning season too didn't he and I'm sure a lot of people would've pointed to him and said he was a good player with loads of potential. Don't get me wrong I like giroud but he's just a back up at best. Shouldn't be the main man at any club with title winning aspirations

He was almost 24 before getting into Ligue 1. He scored 11 in his first season then 21. It's not proven quality.

Gabriel was 24 when he signed for us after just a season and a half at Villareal. Before that he was in a team in Italy bouncing between Serie A and Serie B.

Our scouting team are nicking a living.

13-03-2016 09:34PM

omega man wrote: »

And as for Kroenke's comments about not being in it for winning championships and talking about the importance of the brand, well then the future looks bleak for our club from an on the pitch perspective at least.

That's not exactly what he said. I think he used his words poorly though, as you could think they mean he didn't want to win championships.

omega man · 13-03-2016 09:41PM

Basil3 wrote: »

That's not exactly what he said. I think he used his words poorly though, as you could think they mean he didn't want to win championships.

He said "If you want to win championships then you would never get involved".

How else would you interpret that? It doesn't matter if he meant to say something else. What he actually said was disgraceful. To me it says a lot about where we are as a club.

sonic85 · 13-03-2016 09:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He was almost 24 before getting into Ligue 1. He scored 11 in his first season then 21. It's not proven quality.

Gabriel was 24 when he signed for us after just a season and a half at Villareal. Before that he was in a team in Italy bouncing between Serie A and Serie B.

Our scouting team are nicking a living.

I know it's not proven quality I was just responding to a poster that said there are 10 or 15 strikers around Europe like the man at ajax. Players that are probably solid and will do a job as a back up but not good enough to lead the line for a team in a competitive league who want to win titles.

It's time to stop the penny pinching crap and buy quality. Players who are a marked improvement on what we have and can move us up a level. The bones of a decent team are there were not doing enough to push on

13-03-2016 09:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Our scouting team are nicking a living.

Kroenke talks about being a fan of Moneyball and using analytics to find new players. He's even been out-moneyballed by Leicester. Let's see if this new analytics whizzkid from Leicester makes a difference with our signings. Unfortunately it points more towards signing another Gabriel or Elneny than proven world class talent.

tayto lover · 13-03-2016 09:47PM

Many here saying that we have a great squad yet we are not proving that with results or performances. Something is wrong in the club and it's not just with the team.

Pepe LeFrits · 13-03-2016 09:47PM

The players aren't the problem.

13-03-2016 09:49PM

sonic85 wrote: »

I know it's not proven quality I was just responding to a poster that said there are 10 or 15 strikers around Europe like the man at ajax. Players that are probably solid and will do a job as a back up but not good enough to lead the line for a team in a competitive league who want to win titles.

It's time to stop the penny pinching crap and buy quality. Players who are a marked improvement on what we have and can move us up a level. The bones of a decent team are there were not doing enough to push on

Thing is there'll be exceptions but I'd love to know what they saw in Gabriel. Or was it just when he got here he forgot how to defend?

13-03-2016 09:51PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

The players aren't the problem.

They're part of it. I know I keep criticising Welbeck. He'll give his all, he'll chip in sometimes etc. but however much people want to pretend otherwise hes got a pretty low ceiling as to how food he can be.

sonic85 · 13-03-2016 09:53PM

Has that not been fairly obvious for a while though? That the club were not that interested in pushing on and actually competing outright for the league? How many years have posters been here at the start of the season expressing concern for the lack of activity in transfer windows? How many years have people been pointing out the glaring weaknesses in the team/squad? And how many years have they been proven right. None of what's going on now has happened overnight.

Either people at the club have actually felt we were good enough which is delusional or they knew we were sub par and let the charade happen anyway which is gross negligence. Either one is a sacking offence in my opinion.

tayto lover · 13-03-2016 09:53PM

Boo hoo we won't even have a St. Totteringham's Day this year.

wawaman · 13-03-2016 09:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They're part of it. I know I keep criticising Welbeck. He'll give his all, he'll chip in sometimes etc. but however much people want to pretend otherwise hes got a pretty low ceiling as to how food he can be.

I know things are bad, but I hope we don't resort to eating the players &#55357;&#56876;

13-03-2016 09:54PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thing is there'll be exceptions but I'd love to know what they saw in Gabriel. Or was it just when he got here he forgot how to defend?

He was touted as the club's first big signing based on analytics.

emergingstar · 13-03-2016 09:56PM

I'm all for a change in manager

But I don't think we will see the club move forward without change above the manager

emergingstar · 13-03-2016 09:58PM

On the game itself

Thought elneny was very good

Pepe LeFrits · 13-03-2016 09:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They're part of it. I know I keep criticising Welbeck.

Meh, they're more than good enough to be winning the league comfortably this year.

tayto lover · 13-03-2016 10:00PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Meh, they're more than good enough to be winning the league comfortably this year.

Apart from not winning the league the standard of football has been rubbish for the last number of years and it's getting worse.

sonic85 · 13-03-2016 10:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thing is there'll be exceptions but I'd love to know what they saw in Gabriel. Or was it just when he got here he forgot how to defend?

I'm hopeful he'll come good - or at least get better (can't get much worse) but the farce against united really turned me off him. To let a nobody like rashford just run across him without following him and let him nod the ball in and then lash kos as if it was his fault was disgraceful and the actions of a coward. Another reason I'd love to see an adams in there - give him a bollocking.

What's adams at these days? Could he be brought back to do a bit of coaching? I'd love to see him there in some capacity. Though I said the same about bould and look how that's turned out

beer enigma · 13-03-2016 10:03PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

The players aren't the problem.

I agree, ok we could do with some more depth in the squad for rotation, but I believe, especially this year, we could have won both the Premiership and the FA Cup.

My fear is that another barren season leaves us very unattractive to big signings and also threatens the longevity of the likes of Sanchez and Ozil given the draw of the money & managers at City, Pool & potentially Utd

emergingstar · 13-03-2016 10:06PM

Andip wrote: »

I agree, ok we could do with some more depth in the squad for rotation, but I believe, especially this year, we could have won both the Premiership and the FA Cup.

My fear is that another barren season leaves us very unattractive to big signings and also threatens the longevity of the likes of Sanchez and Ozil given the draw of the money & managers at City, Pool & potentially Utd

Meh once players are getting paid enough they will go anywhere

(Not saying we will pay enough mind)

DarraghF197 · 13-03-2016 10:10PM

As much as I agree Wenger is dragging us back from progressing further, I just don't want to see him go like this. It would be truly tragic.

jonneymendoza · 13-03-2016 10:13PM

Seems like there are far more arsenal fans wanting him gone now.

But the question is, IS it really him thats at fault or the board? or both?

Whos to say that another manager comes in and can only buy one world class player once ever 2/3 seasons and not able to spend more?

Or is wenger the manager that is really to blame for arsenal's downfall?

When will fans or you begin to start looking at the players himself?

Dont forget, wenger is not on the pitch playing, its the players.

Surely its maybe time players are accounted for, not just in arsenal but any club. Look at the attitude of chelsea's players this season yet its mourinho that gets the sack?

Mourinho is not on the pitch, same with wenger. so why cant players like hazard get the sack, salary deduction etc?

its shocking how players can just collect there 100k a week and **** about on the pitch while it is the manager that gets the boot.

Is it really wenger out or more Ramsey, walcott, mertesaka etc etc that need to go?

Ol' Donie · 13-03-2016 10:14PM

We should have won that today. Watford did well, defending in massive numbers and taking their chances when they were given them. But we had enough chances to win fairly comfortably.

However, several of our lads were just too sloppy. Chambers was bad, but Sanchez was dreadful.

Ultimately the defenders falling asleep/being utter pillocks is what costs us. Watford were never going to make a goal until we absolutely handed them the opener.

I'm furious with the players for this. Gabriel and Gibbs made all of the rest of the team's effort redundant by under 11 style defending.

tayto lover · 13-03-2016 10:25PM

DarraghF197 wrote: »

As much as I agree Wenger is dragging us back from progressing further, I just don't want to see him go like this. It would be truly tragic.

What would you like for him? More time?
Much of our poor situation is directly down to Wenger. Poor motivational skills, poor tactically, failing to buy quality in important areas and persevering with failed methods.

DarraghF197 · 13-03-2016 10:31PM

tayto lover wrote: »

What would you like for him? More time?
Much of our poor situation is directly down to Wenger. Poor motivational skills, poor tactically, failing to buy quality in important areas and persevering with failed methods.

I just don't want to see him go like this. Getting rid of him at the end of the season, or him resigning, would probably be the best outcome, but it still doesn't ignore the fact that the face of Arsenal had to be forced out of a club deteriorating under him.

Looper007 · 13-03-2016 10:41PM

More then anything it's just got really sad right now rather then depressing, I can't even get angry anymore at them. Fans infighting, owners not giving a damn as long as they pocket some money, Manager clearly past his prime, Players who look like they want out and Players who simply are not good enough to play for Arsenal. Worst of all seen the worst football I've ever seen Arsenal play, we aren't even entertaining when we even get beat. The lack of drive and heart is another massive disappointment for me.

We are going to get slaughtered in the Nou Camp come Wednesday and I don't fancy us at Everton, then we have West Ham away we won't be coming out of that with a win. We could see ourselves even struggling to keep top 4 even 5th. Times are going to get worse then better. This isn't something Wenger can go out and spend 200 million in the transfer market and it be fixed, his tactics are old hat and he can't get his team up for any game anymore. If we want to be a top side again Wenger must go sooner rather then later.

Soups123 · 13-03-2016 10:41PM

Not winning anything I think will see Wenger declare his decision to leave next summer, he'll want one more shot at it for his final year and then go. He'll hope the players buy in and deliver something special for his last year but ultimately it'll be the same again

13-03-2016 10:43PM

Basil3 wrote: »

No excuse. Once again, just stating facts.....

Ah come on now we are 8 points behind Leicester and possibly 11 (albeit with a game in hand) tomorrow night.

In fact it actually makes it worse that we have managed to beat them twice and yet find ourselves in this position.

Moral victories are no good anymore. The overall season objective was clear from last August and the manager and players have failed the club yet again.

sonic85 · 13-03-2016 10:53PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Seems like there are far more arsenal fans wanting him gone now.

But the question is, IS it really him thats at fault or the board? or both?

Whos to say that another manager comes in and can only buy one world class player once ever 2/3 seasons and not able to spend more?

Or is wenger the manager that is really to blame for arsenal's downfall?

When will fans or you begin to start looking at the players himself?

Dont forget, wenger is not on the pitch playing, its the players.

Surely its maybe time players are accounted for, not just in arsenal but any club. Look at the attitude of chelsea's players this season yet its mourinho that gets the sack?

Mourinho is not on the pitch, same with wenger. so why cant players like hazard get the sack, salary deduction etc?

its shocking how players can just collect there 100k a week and **** about on the pitch while it is the manager that gets the boot.

Is it really wenger out or more Ramsey, walcott, mertesaka etc etc that need to go?

But........ Arsene brought in all these players? If they aren't good enough now and never were then who do you point the finger at? The player who simply is out of his depth or the person who pin pointed him and brought him in to the club?

And if the players are good enough but aren't putting in the performances time after time game after game then who do you blame? The players themselves or the person who sees the ****e and continually puts up with it and can't motivate them or give them a kick in the hole and make them do better?

Quazzie · 13-03-2016 10:59PM

Soups123 wrote: »

Not winning anything I think will see Wenger declare his decision to leave next summer, he'll want one more shot at it for his final year and then go. He'll hope the players buy in and deliver something special for his last year but ultimately it'll be the same again

If he announces his retirement then why would anyone sign when they don't know who they're signing for?

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