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  • #4802
    Squaredude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Squaredude


    Well gears of war runs perfectly for me. Just ran the benchmark and getting in and around 70fps@1440p with everything on high.


  • #4803
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    Squaredude wrote: »
    Well gears of war runs perfectly for me. Just ran the benchmark and getting in and around 70fps@1440p with everything on high.

    Games for Windows is just GFWL: The Sequeling; no way I'm spending a penny on something on the store. They never learn...


  • #4804
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    My internet isn't working tonight, turns out a family member added some stuff to OneDrive to sync, always encourage them to backup. But lets not use all 12Mb upstream yeah.

    Can we rate limit it? No, not without GPOs.
    Can we pause it? No.

    Windows 10 is being goddamn purged. DBAN here we f'cking come.


  • #4805
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    I went from a 4770k and 1600mhz ddr3 to a 6700k with 2400mhz ddr4, it actually makes a titanic difference with Fallout 4. Areas in Boston where I was dropping to 35fps are now dropping to 50fps.


  • #4806
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    I went from a 4770k and 1600mhz ddr3 to a 6700k with 2400mhz ddr4, it actually makes a titanic difference with Fallout 4. Areas in Boston where I was dropping to 35fps are now dropping to 50fps.

    Do you reckon the ram made most the difference or the cpu?


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  • #4807
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Both. Fallout 4 is incredibly sensitive to both, though the game is a resource pig way out of sync with how the game actually looks in many areas.

    Going Skylake/DDR4 was solely due to the massive gap in Fallout 4 actually!

    It does show huge gains with OC'd Haswell i7 and DDR3 @ 2133-2400mhz as well.


  • #4808
    Gumbi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    Both. Fallout 4 is incredibly sensitive to both, though the game is a resource pig way out of sync with how the game actually looks in many areas.

    Going Skylake/DDR4 was solely due to the massive gap in Fallout 4 actually!

    It does show huge gains with OC'd Haswell i7 and DDR3 @ 2133-2400mhz as well.
    Yep. Games can see very noticeable FPS bumps in CPU bound scenarios with faster RAM.


  • #4809
    Redfox25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    That's alof of cash for a 15fps increase. It's a pity for is so resource hungry.


  • #4810
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Redfox25 wrote: »
    That's alof of cash for a 15fps increase. It's a pity for is so resource hungry.

    Think of it relatively, its 42% of an increase. At a point that makes it smooth vs very jarring. Platform upgrades wouldn't normally show that much improvement in recent years.


  • #4811
    .G.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭.G.


    I'm on an i7 930 and want to upgrade this year. That sort of jump, although game specific, makes it all the more enticing. Just don't know what to upgrade to. Was considering skylake or a 6 core Haswell E, build costs for both are similar. I don't upgrade often, this will be the first time since I built my rig in 2010. Aside from the Gpu that is, I've a 970 in it now.


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  • #4812
    Luck100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Luck100


    VR is going to require devs to shoot for 90+ fps rock solid with no stutters. Here's hoping that style of coding will bleed back into all games!


  • #4813
    Redfox25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    ED E wrote: »
    Think of it relatively, its 42% of an increase. At a point that makes it smooth vs very jarring. Platform upgrades wouldn't normally show that much improvement in recent years.

    True true, well put EDE


  • #4814
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    superg wrote: »
    I'm on an i7 930 and want to upgrade this year. That sort of jump, although game specific, makes it all the more enticing. Just don't know what to upgrade to. Was considering skylake or a 6 core Haswell E, build costs for both are similar. I don't upgrade often, this will be the first time since I built my rig in 2010. Aside from the Gpu that is, I've a 970 in it now.

    With DDR4 costing the same as DDR3 these days the people smarter than me recommend going for skylake. I think the i5 6500 (might be 64000) is the best performance for its price but over clocking is being removed for non k CPUs so the 6600k may be more attractive option.

    In a few years you'll be able to upgrade to a newer skylake.


  • #4815
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Redfox25 wrote: »
    That's alof of cash for a 15fps increase. It's a pity for is so resource hungry.

    Actually, I was lucky enough that I spent a grand total of €80 to upgrade due to the price I got for my last rig!

    It is a dramatic difference in Fallout4, anyone playing it knows how jarring and painful exploring parts of Boston are in it - really ruins the atmosphere. However, it is game specific - in 95% of titles there really is zero perceivable difference between the 4770k and 6700k.

    I said to myself I would only upgrade if I got a good price for my last machine - and I did, and to be honest, that €80 difference even includes a new keyboard so the actual difference is about €30!


  • #4816
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    With DDR4 costing the same as DDR3 these days the people smarter than me recommend going for skylake. I think the i5 6500 (might be 64000) is the best performance for its price but over clocking is being removed for non k CPUs so the 6600k may be more attractive option.

    In a few years you'll be able to upgrade to a newer skylake.

    Haswell e has better support for ddr4, quad channel compared to dual channel for skylake. There are reasons why a gamer would pick skylake over haswell e but ram is defiantly not one of them.


  • #4817
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    tuxy wrote: »
    Haswell e has better support for ddr4

    Some serious semantics in action here (or rather, misinformation mixed in with omitting information).

    Skylake is the cheaper, 'gamier' chipset. Unless you're rendering video in software with no gpu acceleration or compiling lots of code, people shouldn't be building with the far more expensive chipset (and associated board) that you're talking about.

    DDR4 on Skylake is perfectly fine, it's the new standard and people shouldn't really be recommending DDR3 for Intel builds anymore; those sticks won't be reusable next time they go to build, or to sell, or to pass off to a friend. No, DDR4 is not the second coming of Christ, but at least they do come in faster speeds at stock, and are more energy efficient.


  • #4818
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    So I was wrong to point out Haswell e has ddr 4 support and recommend Skylake over it?


  • #4819
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    PSA for anyone with a C2750D4I:

    If you've had issues with the same drives randomly falling out of your array, and have thought it's probably a dodgy controller, you'd be right.

    If you wander over here, and follow the 9230 Update Procedure, you should be good to go.

    I've had this problem with my build since I started it. If certain drives were hit with a lot of writes, the same three drives would be reported as missing. Tried driver updates, and more SATA controller tweaks than I care to count, but this seems to have done the job (finally). I got it from a Reddit thread (r/unraid), and the poster recommended disabling Aggressive Link Management in the BIOS, but I haven't done this, FWIW.


  • #4820
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Serephucus wrote: »
    PSA for anyone with a C2750D4I

    Thanks Serephucus.

    Now to work out which ports my drives are using.


  • #4821
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    IIRC the six white ones on their own are using two Marvel controllers. Can't remember which ones are which, but it is a 4+2 arrangement. (The 4 being the screwy one)


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  • #4822
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Seems the only disk using it is a small 160GB drive used to replicate the SSD. So issues with Flex are just flex. Been weighing up BTRFS vs a RAID6 controller in the last few weeks.


  • #4823
    Calibos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,847 ✭✭✭Calibos


    ED E wrote: »
    Seems the only disk using it is a small 160GB drive used to replicate the SSD. So issues with Flex are just flex. Been weighing up BTRFS vs a RAID6 controller in the last few weeks.

    Are you guys having problems with your Flexraid servers. Am about to start building mine in a month or so. Do you not recommend Flexraid anymore?


  • #4824
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    ED E wrote: »
    Seems the only disk using it is a small 160GB drive used to replicate the SSD. So issues with Flex are just flex. Been weighing up BTRFS vs a RAID6 controller in the last few weeks.

    I've been doing similar. What have you found?
    Calibos wrote: »
    Are you guys having problems with your Flexraid servers. Am about to start building mine in a month or so. Do you not recommend Flexraid anymore?

    I've been having a problem for a while with mine. It's not a game-breaker so much as just an annoyance. The same three drives will fall out of the array for no reason, and only some of the time will be reported as "Missing". I figured this was due to a SATA controller on the board crapping out, but no amount of driver reinstalls or tweaks would fix it. The solution I posted above updates the controller's firmware, and that seems to have solved it.

    As for recommending FlexRAID... I still really like it, I'm just not sure it fits my personal use-case that much any more, especially with all the new features unRAID added ing v6.

    It used to be that unRAID was similar(-ish) to FlexRAID - It let you pool drives, and present them to the OS as a single volume, with varying levels of parity distribution. It was (and is) different though, in that FlexRAID runs like an application in an existing Windows (and possibly Linux?) install. unRAID is the OS, and you run anything else you want through a VM.

    With unRAID 6, they've added Docker support. This allows you to run compatible docker applications on unRAID itself, and these can be used in conjunction with the VMs as well. This means you don't have to have a Linux VM running just to download torrents, or another one just for Plex. Obviously there will still be cases for VMs, but there are quite a lot of standard things (and a lot of cool monitoring stuff) available as docker apps.


  • #4825
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Serephucus: Have a read for software stuff, HW wise I'd probably want to use a UPS which means reviving my APS unit with new batteries. Not sure yet.


    On first inspection it looks like Flexraid provides your OS/Apps with a regular NTFS volume, just a big one with some hidden parity. It doesnt. If I call for a load of writes on a slow 8yo mechanical drive it queues them and then deals with them, maybe a little slowly. If I do the same with flex, the client process crashes. Benchmarks look great, but in real use its a pain in my face.

    - Anything that downloads a lot
    - Google Drive plain won't run pointed to flex
    - Dropbox spews conflicted files
    - Cryptocurrency clients crash/require a huge write cache
    - Plex MS sh1ts the bed for metadata

    There are other apps that don't come to mind right now.

    The bigger problem is Flex things files that 100% arent corrupt (MD5/SHA checked) are corrupt. At random. Continually. You can forcibly refresh their parity and then a few minutes later something else is corrupt. Drives are healthy as far as anything can tell.

    It cost me $60, but really that was poor value as compared to a RAID card when I add all the man hours I've spent trying to figure out WTF its problem is.

    Only reason I'm not freaking out is Crashplan have my back. But its something I'll most likely be changing soon.


  • #4826
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    I haven't seen any of those issues, mainly I think because I use a RAID 1 for some of my data, and I use a hidden folder there to store Plex stuff, BTSync things, a temporary place for downloads (before moved to the array), so Flex just handles storage, pretty much.

    That said, I'm still probably going to move to unRAID. :P

    And cheers for the link, will give all that a read.


  • #4827
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    ED E wrote: »
    Think of it relatively, its 42% of an increase. At a point that makes it smooth vs very jarring. Platform upgrades wouldn't normally show that much improvement in recent years.

    It's a 42% increase due to poorly optimised code though. I'd be all for it if the game reflected the required resources in image quality.

    Don't get me wong I'm on my fifth play through, I love the game.


  • #4828
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,141 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    ED E wrote: »
    My internet isn't working tonight, turns out a family member added some stuff to OneDrive to sync, always encourage them to backup. But lets not use all 12Mb upstream yeah.

    Can we rate limit it? No, not without GPOs.
    Can we pause it? No.

    Windows 10 is being goddamn purged. DBAN here we f'cking come.

    You can pause the syncing to onedrive. When you right click the onedrive icon in your task tray, you can select pause syncing, which stops it. Our company moved to onedrive, so I use the business one. Although don't think it's much different from the personal one.

    I know what you mean though, I sync some pretty massive files relating to databases, and it can be a pain. I thought it would be obvious to include a scheduler so that there is an option to sync at designated times.

    I guess though it also begs questions about the sort of file that was being uploaded. You know your **** about domestic networking. I'm syncing some large files on occasions, and it doesn't hamper my gaming, or my misses using streaming services.


  • #4829
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    TheDoc wrote: »
    You can pause the syncing to onedrive. When you right click the onedrive icon in your task tray, you can select pause syncing, which stops it. Our company moved to onedrive, so I use the business one. Although don't think it's much different from the personal one.

    I know what you mean though, I sync some pretty massive files relating to databases, and it can be a pain. I thought it would be obvious to include a scheduler so that there is an option to sync at designated times.

    I guess though it also begs questions about the sort of file that was being uploaded. You know your **** about domestic networking. I'm syncing some large files on occasions, and it doesn't hamper my gaming, or my misses using streaming services.

    In windows 8 you can, and maybe with the enterprise version, but in Win10 the taskbar item and controls disappear. Its seriously dumbfounding the number of things they've removed (using Netsh to setup an adhoc for example, lunacy). The way to fix it is to add a group policy....


  • #4830
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,141 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    ED E wrote: »
    In windows 8 you can, and maybe with the enterprise version, but in Win10 the taskbar item and controls disappear. Its seriously dumbfounding the number of things they've removed (using Netsh to setup an adhoc for example, lunacy). The way to fix it is to add a group policy....

    Maybe OneDrive for business is different, cause I use W10 at home, and have the icon in the task tray.

    There is also an entry in the notifications segment for me, where I can pick and choose folders to sync etc.


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  • #4831
    Lu Tze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    If anybody has any experience troubleshooting sat tuners I would welcome any advice!

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057571928


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