UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

07-03-2016 06:56PM

McGregor now claiming that he would have won if he faced Dos Anjos.

Making himself look bad tbh.

"If the fight was what it was supposed to be, I would have come out victorious," McGregor told ESPN's Todd Grisham. "It is what it is."

According to McGregor, had he hit a fighter like featherweight Frankie Edgar or the lightweight champ, they would have crumbled as his previous opponents did.

"They fall, 100 percent. Nate is a completely different fighter. "

Billy86 · 07-03-2016 06:56PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Size had little to do with McGregors loss...see my earlier post

Or to sum it up RDA beat Diaz at a size disadvantage....if McGregor was as good, he'd have done the same

McGregor is the Bully of the FW division, because he cuts so hard to get there...in with LW/WW he does not hold the size advantage he held below at FW

All ive been hearing since he lost is "size difference"

Nobody seemed to mention it when he was winning because of it

People always mentioned he was winning, in fact his biggest fans were frequently the most vocal about it, the cuts and the advantages/disadvantages that came with it. Conor got exposed pretty badly on Saturday, bug even many of his biggest detractors had been calling it a match up nightmare because it is so hard to get inside on Diaz and he is so, so difficult to KO... and on top of that he is a top quality wrestler for when McGregor did get inside.

jigglypuffstuff · 07-03-2016 07:01PM

Billy86 wrote: »

People always mentioned he was winning, in fact his biggest fans were frequently the most vocal about it, the cuts and the advantages/disadvantages that came with it. Conor got exposed pretty badly on Saturday, bug even many of his biggest detractors had been calling it a match up nightmare because it is so hard to get inside on Diaz and he is so, so difficult to KO... and on top of that he is a top quality wrestler for when McGregor did get inside.

My apoligies, I meant in terms of his opponents stating their loss was because of it...they took the loss on the chin without making excuses...Tbh i didnt hear of McGregor stating it as a reason either....or using any excuse apart from his own mistakes..its the Fanboys pushing this size difference nonsense...

Pudsy33 · 07-03-2016 07:05PM

glasso wrote: »

McGregor now claiming that he would have won if he faced Dos Anjos.

Making himself look bad tbh.

"If the fight was what it was supposed to be, I would have come out victorious," McGregor told ESPN's Todd Grisham. "It is what it is."

According to McGregor, had he hit a fighter like featherweight Frankie Edgar or the lightweight champ, they would have crumbled as his previous opponents did.

"They fall, 100 percent. Nate is a completely different fighter. "

What is he supposed to say? I'm lucky it wasn't RDA because it would have been worse?

07-03-2016 07:08PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

What is he supposed to say? I'm lucky it wasn't RDA because it would have been worse?

maybe he should have said nothing. (that seems kind of difficult for him though).

John_D80 · 07-03-2016 07:10PM

glasso wrote: »

maybe he should have said nothing. (that seems kind of difficult for him though).

Wouldn't make for much of an interview if he did that.

Pudsy33 · 07-03-2016 07:13PM

glasso wrote: »

maybe he should have said nothing. (that seems kind of difficult for him though).

He's trying to sell another fight, saying nothing would be a bit silly really.

jigglypuffstuff · 07-03-2016 07:15PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

What is he supposed to say? I'm lucky it wasn't RDA because it would have been worse?

That is the most probable outcome,

RDA dominated Diaz, and it went to a decision

McGregor was made look bad by Diaz, both in standup and ground, and didnt make it past the 2nd round

Thats a pretty good indicator imo

John_D80 · 07-03-2016 07:17PM

Just leaving this here. Seems apt somehow.....

jigglypuffstuff · 07-03-2016 07:21PM

John_D80 wrote: »

Just leaving this here. Seems apt somehow.....

Logical argument based on valid evidence of actual in ring events related to the topic at hand.

Oh, Wait....

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 07:27PM

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/Nate_Diaz_Corner_Audio_Round_2_UFC_196/10123864

Heres round 2 from another angle with diaz corner audio

While his boxing is looking ok his breathing is very different that what it should be going into a 2nd rd,specially after not absorbing any damage in the first,he throws a lazy spinning back kick too weidman esque.

Foxtrol · 07-03-2016 07:36PM

pone2012 wrote: »

My apoligies, I meant in terms of his opponents stating their loss was because of it...they took the loss on the chin without making excuses...Tbh i didnt hear of McGregor stating it as a reason either....or using any excuse apart from his own mistakes..its the Fanboys pushing this size difference nonsense...

So you’re saying the reach advantage for Nate had no bearing on the fight?

Pudsy33 · 07-03-2016 07:37PM

pone2012 wrote: »

That is the most probable outcome,

RDA dominated Diaz, and it went to a decision

McGregor was made look bad by Diaz, both in standup and ground, and didnt make it past the 2nd round

Thats a pretty good indicator imo

That's not how it works at all.

jigglypuffstuff · 07-03-2016 07:40PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

So you’re saying the reach advantage for Nate had no bearing on the fight?

Im saying it had minimal, if any

RDA schooled Diaz for 3 rounds before the decision...and he had an even bigger reach disadvantage

JustTheOne · 07-03-2016 07:49PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Size had little to do with McGregors loss...see my earlier post

Or to sum it up RDA beat Diaz at a size disadvantage....if McGregor was as good, he'd have done the same

McGregor is the Bully of the FW division, because he cuts so hard to get there...in with LW/WW he does not hold the size advantage he held below at FW

All ive been hearing since he lost is "size difference"

Nobody seemed to mention it when he was winning because of it

What would he be on fight day in fw?

155 at a push 160.

Aldo and mendes wouldn't be far off that in my opinion.

I'm not having the excuse that he is so much bigger than the rest in fw to kick him further when he is down.

It's not true.

darced · 07-03-2016 07:50PM

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Foxtrol · 07-03-2016 07:51PM

I unfortunately spent a good while reading back through the thread.

Obviously hats off to Nate but I think McGregor pretty much fought close to the opposite of the blueprint that’s out there to do well against a Diaz’.

I mentioned it pre-fight but I wonder if the lack of cutting weight played into how he acted in the cage. During fight week we normally see a very cool, calm, calculating fighter whereas this time he was extremely animated, like he normally is months before the fight rather than days. Despite ‘calling his shot’ against Siver he didn’t chase the finish like he did on Saturday night and picked his shots and finished him in 2 rounds rather than 2 minutes. I wonder if the over-exuberance outside the cage rolled into over-exuberance in it leading to him gassing so badly.

Foxtrol · 07-03-2016 07:53PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Im saying it had minimal, if any

RDA schooled Diaz for 3 rounds before the decision...and he had an even bigger reach disadvantage

Do you not see any difference in the tactics they both used while fighting Diaz?

darced · 07-03-2016 07:56PM

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JJayoo · 07-03-2016 07:59PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

What would he be on fight day in fw?

155 at a push 160.

Aldo and mendes wouldn't be far off that in my opinion.

Not a hope, compare Mendes/Aldo on the scales at 145 to how they look in the cage to McG. His weight cut is extreme, admirable in his discipline but also dangerous.

loudnoises89 · 07-03-2016 07:59PM

I don't know has this been mentioned previously in this thread but just listened to Jeremy Botter on the Second Captains podcast and he was saying that from the moment Conor got rocked in the second round his corner went silent. Gave absolutely no advice to him in that situation. This is absolutely disgraceful. How can they just sit there with their mouth wide open while their fighter is about to be finished. Someone needs to be held accountable for that.

07-03-2016 08:00PM

darced wrote: »

I dont know if it was an adrenaline dump or just plain old gassing but having watched the fight multiple times its plain to see he was out of juice after a round. I would be nearly disregarding the rest of the fight as he is completely gassed and I wouldn't see it happening again.

It is worrying that he basically quit and gave up his neck and didnt defend the choke but again he was gassed hard.
I'm surprised you are going with Diaz as the better fighter in your posts, I dont agree with that at all. I can see this fight being looked at as a freak episode in time.

Are you rewatching a HD version? I can only assume everyone wondering "how conor gave up so easily" is missing that he was clearly out on his feet before that, on top of being gassed. When you see his eyes after he got rocked, it's clear he was on another planet.

JustTheOne · 07-03-2016 08:02PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Not a hope, compare Mendes/Aldo on the scales at 145 to how they look in the cage to McG. His weight cut is extreme, admirable in his discipline but also dangerous.

Aldo has said his weight cut kills him.

I don't think it's that big a difference as people make out.

07-03-2016 08:05PM

The interesting thing about McGregor's comments about that he would have beaten Dos Anjos and that "They fall, 100 percent. Nate is a completely different fighter." is that he is basically saying that if he can't knock someone out in 2 rounds then he can't beat them".

If McGregor, aside from comes out of his mouth, is a great fighter then he'll be able to go away and come back as someone with more elements to his game. Let's see that.

If you take an example from a completely different sport - when Brian O'Driscoll lost his speed and line-break ability and changed his style of play completely to a defensive and game-breaking passer.

Doing something like that is greatness.

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 08:07PM

Any idea what they weighed in the cage?

If conor was underweight after having 2 breakfasts according to him at 168 then that is woefully undersized,Diaz was probably 180 possible more in there,

Was their any word of their cage weight?

JJayoo · 07-03-2016 08:09PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Aldo has said his weight cut kills him.

I don't think it's that big a difference as people make out.

I think the proof is in the pics, he looks shocking. It's gonna be hard for him to move back down.

JustTheOne · 07-03-2016 08:12PM

JJayoo wrote: »

I think the proof is in the pics, he looks shocking. It's gonna be hard for him to move back down.

I know but I think because he is taller it looked worst on him when making weight.

I'm still not convinced he is much bigger on fight day than the others.

It's unfair to try beat him with that.

Remember aldo and poirier fought at 155. That's enough evidence to show they aren't all midgets compared to conor.

sonofenoch · 07-03-2016 08:19PM

Start of round 2 McGregor came out with his hands on his hips mouth open chest heaving heavily .......this is not the same fighter seen before who'd come out goading his opponent fixing his hair and generally posing

Foxtrol · 07-03-2016 08:26PM

darced wrote: »

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It was his arrogance that got him to fight at 170 with the stupid gameplan (or lack thereof) but in the second round the above in bold were due to how gassed he was.

Lukker- · 07-03-2016 08:29PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Any idea what they weighed in the cage?

If conor was underweight after having 2 breakfasts according to him at 168 then that is woefully undersized,Diaz was probably 180 possible more in there,

Was their any word of their cage weight?

No way Diaz was 180. He weighed in at 169, why would he cut the extra pound? His coach said he was 171 when he got the call.

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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