UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

Gamebred · 06-03-2016 03:57PM

On the whole tap thing,there is no shame in tapping im sure he gets tapped out every week in the gym like every one of us who train jiu jitsu,ill say one thing about him aint nobody eve gullotining him even rocked he escaped one of nates,

When your caught your caught simple as that.

06-03-2016 03:58PM

Conor had the winning of that as we saw in the first round. The problem was there seemed to be no proper game plan apart from knocking Diaz out. Now anyone who's seen Diaz fight before has seen that guy take serious damage - I can't understand how a prolonged fight wasn't considered as the most likely possibility from McGregors team.

Despite the range advantage for Diaz, McGregor was still doing excellent damage. Had he fought more intelligently, he wouldn't have been gassed after 5 minutes and could have continued to pop in and out lighting Diaz's face up - it wouldn't have been pretty by round 4 or 5.

It just seemed really amateur, and this type of loss could be the making of McGregor as an all time great.

As far as the 155 division is concerned, I think Conor can still do extremely well and even take the title there but needs to have *some kind* of plan B in reserve for situations where a one punch knockout isn't looking likely.

Had McGregor kicked the legs off nate and slowly picked him apart by focusing on his weaknesses, I fully believe he would have been able to win. Instead he focused on trying to one punch knockout a guy with a concrete head, and when that didn't work he doubled down and gassed himself out.

Subcomandante Marcos · 06-03-2016 03:59PM

floorpie wrote: »

Well how would you reckon he could fight a RNC when he's stretched out fully with the choke sunken in? There's no fighting to do at that point. He could try and make some space from the choking forearm but that's just faffing around.

He gave up his back to easily and then let him sink it without fighting the hands at all.

I actually think he gave him his back so that it would get stopped before he got knocked out and had a training ban.

Then again maybe he was more gone than I'm realising before he even hit the matt and it was just survival mode.

fuzzydunlop85 · 06-03-2016 04:00PM

My stream died a death after Holm/Tate are tv3 doing a replay Monday night?

Subcomandante Marcos · 06-03-2016 04:02PM

Gamebred wrote: »

On the whole tap thing,there is no shame in tapping im sure he gets tapped out every week in the gym like every one of us who train jiu jitsu,ill say one thing about him aint nobody eve gullotining him even rocked he escaped one of nates,

When your caught your caught simple as that.

No shame at all in tapping, that's not what I'm saying, I'm not saying go out on your shield blah blah blah, just think you have try get out of it.

Artem against Hall for example, was going purple and still fought it.

ISOP · 06-03-2016 04:03PM

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

My stream died a death after Holm/Tate are tv3 doing a replay Monday night?

Yes. It's on the comedy channel

sonic85 · 06-03-2016 04:04PM

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

My stream died a death after Holm/Tate are tv3 doing a replay Monday night?

3e 9pm tomorrow night I think

06-03-2016 04:04PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He gave up his back top easily and then let him sink it without fighting the hands at all.

I actually think he gave him his back so that it would get stopped before he got knocked out and had a training ban.

He didn't recover from being rocked, he was out on his feet. Anything that came after was from a guy that was unconscious on his feet. I don't know why people are pointing to anything that happened after that as being decisive in Conors defeat, because the fight was over as soon as his eyes rolled back in his head.

I think a lot of people must have been watching illegal streams, because in HD you could clearly see McGregor was on another planet after being caught.

threeball · 06-03-2016 04:04PM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Conor had the winning of that as we saw in the first round. The problem was there seemed to be no proper game plan apart from knocking Diaz out. Now anyone who's seen Diaz fight before has seen that guy take serious damage - I can't understand how a prolonged fight wasn't considered as the most likely possibility from McGregors team.

Despite the range advantage for Diaz, McGregor was still doing excellent damage. Had he fought more intelligently, he wouldn't have been gassed after 5 minutes and could have continued to pop in and out lighting Diaz's face up - it wouldn't have been pretty by round 4 or 5.

It just seemed really amateur, and this type of loss could be the making of McGregor as an all time great.

As far as the 155 division is concerned, I think Conor can still do extremely well and even take the title there but needs to have *some kind* of plan B in reserve for situations where a one punch knockout isn't looking likely.

Had McGregor kicked the legs off nate and slowly picked him apart by focusing on his weaknesses, I fully believe he would have been able to win. Instead he focused on trying to one punch knockout a guy with a concrete head, and when that didn't work he doubled down and gassed himself out.

I agree with most of that bar him winning 155. You need ground game when fighting guys your own size and McGregors ground game isn't advanced enough yet. He needs to train somewhere he isn't top dog for a while. SBG doesn't have the talent pool to challenge someone who is competing for titles.

ISOP · 06-03-2016 04:05PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He gave up his back to easily and then let him sink it without fighting the hands at all.

I actually think he gave him his back so that it would get stopped before he got knocked out and had a training ban.

Then again maybe he was more gone than I'm realising before he even hit the matt and it was just survival mode.

He was gassed after 5 minutes. Serious question marks over his preparation and management

Tigger · 06-03-2016 04:06PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He gave up his back to easily and then let him sink it without fighting the hands at all.

I actually think he gave him his back so that it would get stopped before he got knocked out and had a training ban.

Then again maybe he was more gone than I'm realising before he even hit the matt and it was just survival mode.

i said that earlier, it would make sense if he plans to get to ufc200
he admitted he paniced in the post fight conference

threeball · 06-03-2016 04:07PM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

He didn't recover from being rocked, he was out on his feet. Anything that came after was from a guy that was unconscious on his feet. I don't know why people are pointing to anything that happened after that as being decisive in Conors defeat, because the fight was over as soon as his eyes rolled back in his head.

I think a lot of people must have been watching illegal streams, because in HD you could clearly see McGregor was on another planet after being caught.

He was gassed before being caught though and it wasn't a particular ferocious first round so he was actually in trouble before the punch landed. That just sealed his fate

06-03-2016 04:08PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Well whatever he decides to do it shouldn't involve fighting. He's embarrassed himself enough at this stage. Not as much as his fan base of drunken illiterate morons have though.

While I'm fully aware you're being thick to get a reaction, McGregor has enough money to make you his servant and have you dance like a seal does in anticipation of fish for money. You're the one embarrassing yourself.

As for the fight, there were a few times that Conor went for the leg which is how you take out Nate. He didn't really focus on it though which is what let him down. A few big leg kicks and Nate's whole game is stunted. I like Nate and it was a fight about nothing so it's not too bad he got the win but Conor should be winning that fight, he just got over confident and didn't go in with a real gameplan.

Gamebred · 06-03-2016 04:12PM

Nate also mentioned he knee'd conor to the stomach and heard him wince,that contributed to him being finished no doubt,he also said in a bad day he still does 2 hours cardio nate.

empacher · 06-03-2016 04:14PM

god bless the mods having to clean this up, they dont get enough thanks.

mickey1979 · 06-03-2016 04:15PM

Not a fan of UFC by any means I was always hoping McGregor would get taken down a peg before Aldo fight. But I felt the after he won that he prob can back his trash talk up. By all accounts the UFC persona is an act and McGregor is quite a nice guy. Anyone that doubts his ability is moronic he fought at 25 pounds heavier last night. I like his willingness to keep finding mountains you could hide forever at 145 like say Aldo or Mayweather has. I hope it hasn't damaged his confidence (I doubt it) and he can pick it up again. In fairness Irish Sport is far more interesting with McGregor and also sports events would be fairly poorly attended without his likes and the bandwagon effect he has.

06-03-2016 04:17PM

threeball wrote: »

He was gassed before being caught though and it wasn't a particular ferocious first round so he was actually in trouble before the punch landed. That just sealed his fate

I agree with that, he was gassed incredibly early and was wide open, even more so than usual. Like I said, it felt incredibly amateur seeing that at this level of fight.

threeball · 06-03-2016 04:20PM

mickey1979 wrote: »

Not a fan of UFC by any means I was always hoping McGregor would get taken down a peg before Aldo fight. But I felt the after he won that he prob can back his trash talk up. By all accounts the UFC persona is an act and McGregor is quite a nice guy. Anyone that doubts his ability is moronic he fought at 25 pounds heavier last night. I like his willingness to keep finding mountains you could hide forever at 145 like say Aldo or Mayweather has. I hope it hasn't damaged his confidence (I doubt it) and he can pick it up again. In fairness Irish Sport is far more interesting with McGregor and also sports events would be fairly poorly attended without his likes and the bandwagon effect he has.

This 25 lbs heavier thing is complete bs. The man is a LW who kills himself to make FW. Diaz is also a LW. Neither man cut weight for the fight. It's not like Diaz walks round at 200 and got down to 170 for the night.

StringerBell · 06-03-2016 04:20PM

As I said, it would be interesting to see how he would maintain his stamina with the extra weight on. In fairness though he has never been taken far enough in a fight before to gauge his fighting stamina anyway. Never needed it, and still most likely won't against the smaller men, but its clear he has work to do when going up, even to 155 which should be his optimal weight.

Also, he has always been an easy target to hit, takes plenty of punches per round on average. The difference showed when it came to a man who wasn't significantly smaller size wise hitting him.

Richard tea · 06-03-2016 04:21PM

Conor Gassed. So frustrating considering how intelligent a fighter he is. Hopefully he spends the next 2 years dominating the 145 and 155 divisions. And maybe and only maybe after those 2 years he might consider a fight at 170 again.

That_Guy · 06-03-2016 04:22PM

I have finally resurfaced.

What time is the fight on?

bmcc10 · 06-03-2016 04:28PM

That_Guy wrote: »

I have finally resurfaced.

What time is the fight on?

Gamebred and glasso is scheduled for 4 i think.

c montgomery · 06-03-2016 04:29PM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

I agree with that, he was gassed incredibly early and was wide open, even more so than usual. Like I said, it felt incredibly amateur seeing that at this level of fight.

Did he only gas after the shot to the chin tho? I think he might have been dazed rather than gassed as his hands dropped and movement diminished.

RedemptionZ · 06-03-2016 04:30PM

Richard tea wrote: »

Conor Gassed. So frustrating considering how intelligent a fighter he is. Hopefully he spends the next 2 years dominating the 145 and 155 divisions. And maybe and only maybe after those 2 years he might consider a fight at 170 again.

He should stay away from 170 and accept his physical limitations. This wasn't a proper 170 fight. Against natural WW he would be against guys who have 15/20lbs on him. Now for a guy who's not a particularly proficient grappler to be fighting against guys much bigger than you is a nightmare.

JJayoo · 06-03-2016 04:31PM

Richard tea wrote: »

Conor Gassed. So frustrating considering how intelligent a fighter he is. Hopefully he spends the next 2 years dominating the 145 and 155 divisions. And maybe and only maybe after those 2 years he might consider a fight at 170 again.

Last night's fight was essentially a 155 fight. There is no way he will dominate at 155, just look at the roster, full of machines who just happen to have high level jujitsu.

However there are still a lot of interesting fights out there, Pettis/Barbossa vs McG would be a strikers wet dream. You also have a rematch with Duffy at some stage

c montgomery · 06-03-2016 04:33PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Last night's fight was essentially a 155 fight. There is no way he will dominate at 155, just look at the roster, full of machines who just happen to have high level jujitsu.

However there are still a lot of interesting fights out there, Pettis/Barbossa vs McG would be a strikers wet dream. You also have a rematch with Duffy at some stage

I doubt he'll ever fight Duffy again, not enough $$$$ in it I reckon.

Gamebred · 06-03-2016 04:33PM

RDA has a proven gas tank for 5 rounds with out a bother,If Conor couldnt take him out early id be very worried as it stands if they ever meet,I dont think they will Khabib will have the strap by the time Conor is going to 155.

threeball · 06-03-2016 04:34PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Last night's fight was essentially a 155 fight. There is no way he will dominate at 155, just look at the roster, full of machines who just happen to have high level jujitsu.

However there are still a lot of interesting fights out there, Pettis/Barbossa vs McG would be a strikers wet dream. You also have a rematch with Duffy at some stage

All potential losses for McGregor too. Last night was game changing for his career prospects and earning potential

threeball · 06-03-2016 04:35PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I doubt he'll ever fight Duffy again, not enough $$$$ in it I reckon.

UFC dublin FS1 headliner right there

martyos121 · 06-03-2016 04:36PM

What time are the medical suspensions usually released?

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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