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No refund for families who have paid water charges

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  • #182
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Jack Killian wrote: »
    They've paid their LPT which was given to IW.

    No freeloading or stealing going on whatsoever.

    I was going to respond to this until I saw you describe VRT as "illegal". There's not much point arguing with someone who makes up their own facts.


  • #183
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    Mr.Micro wrote:
    So an archaic system of 26 + local authorities doing there own thing with water supply, one not knowing what the other is doing, as opposed to one body for the whole country. That is so 21st century.


    So sitting up a billing company was the answer.


  • #184
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    So sitting up a billing company was the answer.

    Yes it is the answer. Efficient, cost effective in the long run and clean reliable water. Protesters are not interested in the benefits, they just do not want to pay or be accountable,IMO.


  • #185
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    Mr.Micro wrote:
    Yes it is the answer. Efficient, cost effective in the long run and clean reliable water. Protesters are not interested in the benefits, they just do not want to pay or be accountable,IMO.


    Thanks for the laugh. You dismiss the protests as just not wanting to pay. Good display of ignorance.


  • #186
    henryporter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭henryporter


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    So sitting up a billing company was the answer.

    A bit more than a billing company TBH - the smart meters they installed managed to pick up on a 0.1lt per second leak in my house which turned out to be a toilet cistern. If they can pick up on that they can pick up on the gombeens who think that because water is free they can let it piss away.


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  • #187
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    henryporter wrote:
    A bit more than a billing company TBH - the smart meters they installed managed to pick up on a 0.1lt per second leak in my house which turned out to be a toilet cistern. If they can pick up on that they can pick up on the gombeens who think that because water is free they can let it piss away.


    Not sure who told you, but water was never free.


  • #188
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    Thanks for the laugh. You dismiss the protests as just not wanting to pay. Good display of ignorance.

    It boils down, excuse the pun, to accountability and money, nothing else.


  • #189
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    micosoft wrote: »
    Effectively FF are proposing to legalise tax evasion on the principle that any tax could at any point in the future be cancelled without recourse for those who have paid said charge and no penalties for those who have not.

    Nice blending of words.

    It's not a tax, if it had been, there wouldn't have been compliance issues.

    Acceptance issues maybe, but not compliance.


  • #190
    trishasaffron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭trishasaffron


    Why is the title worded about families? Do individuals who pay charges not count? Typical manipulative retrogressive thinking....if you don't fit the family agenda in Ireland you don't count.


  • #191
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    Mr.Micro wrote:
    It boils down, excuse the pun, to accountability and money, nothing else.


    No that's just your opinion, doesn't mean you're right.Opinions are like assholes everyone has one.


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  • #192
    henryporter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭henryporter


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    Not sure who told you, but water was never free.

    Not to anyone in a GWS anyways - the charade of central taxation and funding that got kicked to touch by the Troika made everyone else believe they were paying for water when in fact they were paying for whatever the Government of the day wanted us to believe we were paying for...


  • #193
    henryporter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭henryporter


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    No that's just your opinion, doesn't mean you're right.Opinions are like assholes everyone has one.
    ... and some stink more than others!


  • #194
    Arkady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Arkady


    henryporter wrote: »
    A bit more than a billing company TBH - the smart meters they installed managed to pick up on a 0.1lt per second leak in my house which turned out to be a toilet cistern. If they can pick up on that they can pick up on the gombeens who think that because water is free they can let it piss away.

    and yet 50% of treated water continues to leak through supply mains in bulk quantities, long before it gets to any consumers house or meter, far more than the amount of water that ever leaked in any consumers premises.


  • #195
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    henryporter wrote:
    ... and some stink more than others!

    From personal experience, I take it? ; )


  • #196
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    No that's just your opinion, doesn't mean you're right.Opinions are like assholes everyone has one.

    No need to be so rude. You are the one who appears to not like others opinions.


  • #197
    xz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭xz


    The problem lies in the fact that IW was a rushed entity, money was wasted on consultants, money was wasted on meters, despite the offer of free ones, bonuses were paid out before money was brought in, staffing levels are huge......... And for what?...... A few months back there was a burst pipe on my estate outside a house, the water was flowing down the road, I went to work, upon returning from work, the pipe was being repaired, not by IW, but by the Council...... We pay our LPT, we were forced to, which annoys me, as owning the deeds to my own home counts for nothing, I'm still paying to own my own home, that money was used to set up IW and begin charging us.... Wouldn't a more prudent approach have been to improve the infrastructure out of LPT monies first before demanding payment for a sub standard service (as a whole nationwide)...... Or better still, set up the infrastructure and cover the costs from LPT....... I'm actually fed up of people defending IW yet claiming those that didn't pay as scroungers or spongers , they are not, all WE did was get to a point where we said enough is enough, we're not bending over anymore


  • #198
    henryporter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭henryporter


    Arkady wrote: »
    and yet 50% of treated water continues to leak through supply mains in bulk quantities, long before it gets to any consumers house or meter, far more than the amount of water that ever leaked in any consumers premises.

    So pay some money to get it fixed then!


  • #199
    Arkady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Arkady


    xz wrote: »
    The problem lies in the fact that IW was a rushed entity, money was wasted on consultants, money was wasted on meters, despite the offer of free ones, bonuses were paid out before money was brought in, staffing levels are huge......... And for what?...... A few months back there was a burst pipe on my estate outside a house, the water was flowing down the road, I went to work, upon returning from work, the pipe was being repaired, not by IW, but by the Council...... We pay our LPT, we were forced to, which annoys me, as owning the deeds to my own home counts for nothing, I'm still paying to own my own home, that money was used to set up IW and begin charging us.... Wouldn't a more prudent approach have been to improve the infrastructure out of LPT monies first before demanding payment for a sub standard service (as a whole nationwide)...... Or better still, set up the infrastructure and cover the costs from LPT....... I'm actually fed up of people defending IW yet claiming those that didn't pay as scroungers or spongers , they are not, all WE did was get to a point where we said enough is enough, we're not bending over anymore

    You're obviously an extreme left wing nutjob.


  • #200
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    Mr.Micro wrote:
    No need to be so rude. You are the one who appears to not like others opinions.

    No problem with your opinion, just making an observation. As in everyone has one.No need to be so precious.


  • #201
    xz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭xz


    Quite the assumption, or accusation?

    That would be like me claiming by that statement you're either a Fine Gael party member, or an IW employee


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  • #202
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    henryporter wrote:
    So pay some money to get it fixed then!

    henryporter wrote:
    So pay some money to get it fixed then!


    He/she does, it's called tax.


  • #203
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    xz wrote:
    Quite the assumption, or accusation?

    I think it's sarcasm.


  • #204
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,580 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Arkady wrote: »
    You're obviously an extreme left wing nutjob.

    Might balance out the right wing nutjobs.


  • #205
    xz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭xz


    nhunter100 wrote:
    I think it's sarcasm.


    That, I can handle, but being accused of being a left wing nutjob job, because I have an opinion that differs from that of others shows the level of ignorance on society today


  • #206
    henryporter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭henryporter


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    He/she does, it's called tax.

    Not according to any other European country - it's a utility that should be paid for based on consumption and presided over by a singular entity responsible for its supply, maintenance, and quality. You can go on believing that moronic rhetoric but unfortunately in 2016 the consumer needs to pay for the most valuable commodity on the planet.


  • #207
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    henryporter wrote:
    Not according to any other European country - it's a utility that should be paid for based on consumption and presided over by a singular entity responsible for its supply, maintenance, and quality. You can go on believing that moronic rhetoric but unfortunately in 2016 the consumer needs to pay for the most valuable commodity on the planet.


    Thanks, I pay my taxes and am quite comfortable with my beliefs.


  • #208
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    xz wrote:
    That, I can handle, but being accused of being a left wing nutjob job, because I have an opinion that differs from that of others shows the level of ignorance on society today


    It has been a common theme on all commentary that if you oppose IW you're by default part of the looney left.


  • #209
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    Thanks for the laugh. You dismiss the protests as just not wanting to pay. Good display of ignorance.
    If the protests are not about not wanting to pay, they should come up with a better slogan than "can't pay, won't pay".
    nhunter100 wrote: »
    He/she does, it's called tax.
    Would you advocate scrapping electricity bills and paying for it through taxation instead?


  • #210
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    oscarBravo wrote:
    Would you advocate scrapping electricity bills and paying for it through taxation instead?


    Ah whataboutery, always good for a giggle.


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  • #211
    henryporter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭henryporter


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    Thanks, I pay my taxes and am quite comfortable with my beliefs.

    Perhaps then they should abolish water charges and hike up income tax so that you can rest easier with the concept of paying your way. Or perhaps you could opt out of paying for water and go off and trap your own rainwater and treat it and store it so that you can go on enjoying it without feeling screwed?


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