Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning link in OP 20/3

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

So should Weir, Riley, Fosu-Mensah, Love etc all expect to be given plenty of minutes now? I mean they've been on the bench and played lately, it might affect their career if we don't get them on. Or is it just Pereira because you rate him?

Fosu-Mensah is the only one of them I don't think should be looking to leave United.

THe rest have seen little competitive football and are 20/21. If they want to progress as footballers, they need to move elsewhere and get some proper football in. U21 football is rubbish and of little use to player like Pereira, Januzaj - or even Weir, Riley or Love at this point in their careers. Can be used to maintain fitness but the quality is low so they won't improve much.

Fosu-Mensah is only 18, so has a bit more time on the develpment side at youth levels. I do think he should be looking at a loan, or some game time at United, next season though. His domination of U18 and U21 at his age means more U21 for the next two years (like Riley et al) will be of little more benefit.

If LVG had no real plan to integrate, rotate or use Pereira - he should have let him go on loan in the summer or January at least. another few months of bench sitting will be of no use to the lad. A standout for the Brazil U20s last season, he needed game time this year to kick on, imo.

Tomorrow nights game is going to be interesting,we have seen Utd struggle to break down teams like Watford at home this season,I'm sure Watford will set up to keep things tight and try and nick something,

Its going to be a good test of this new lease of life Utd we have seen in the past week.

The pace and the attitude has to be kept up.

Kill them early,go for the throat.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Or, when your senior players are (a) tired or (b) under-performing *cough*MATA*cough you could rotate in a young player into their position, rather than relying on the same first 11 players in every single game and then whinge when players get injured.

You assertion that the only way a young player should ever thing to get into the team is through injury is just stupid. Rotate and rest players - show some player and squad management skills.

I never made that assertion, but while we're calling things stupid, it's a pretty fitting description of your notion that not doing an absolutely perfect job of developing youth equates to not developing, or having no intention to develop, youth at all.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I never made that assertion, but while we're calling things stupid, it's a pretty fitting description of your notion that not doing an absolutely perfect job of developing youth equates to not developing, or having no intention to develop, youth at all.

:rolleyes:
You made that assertion several times last week.

As I said last week as well - it MAY have been his intention, but his actual actions over the course of the season are far more important than what he intended - so his unwillingness to use youth players unless forced to over the course of the season shows, imo, that he had no actual faith in the young players to play. If he did have faith, he would have had less problem resting tired or under performing players for the young lads.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

:rolleyes:
You made that assertion several times last week.

You could probably pull up a quote pretty easily then.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Wasn't that rubbish thoroughly debunked already?

I doubt it, unless the pair of you are getting together and 'debunking' things that nobody said.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

You could probably pull up a quote pretty easily then.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Why would he be dropping more talented and experienced senior players to start academy products instead? This almost never happens - there has to be a reason to drop your first string players, and more often than not it's down to injury.

After 3 seconds of looking.

Our debate centred on this point - over a number of posts.

bucketybuck wrote: »

You doubt wrong. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume there are hundreds of posts you didn't read.

Yeah I suppose it's a reasonable assumption that I didn't read my own alleged assertion. :rolleyes: Must have slipped by me when I was allegedly typing it.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

After 3 seconds of looking.

Our debate centred on this point - over a number of posts.

I was waiting for exactly that post to come back. It's a massive failure of reading comprehension to claim that this:

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Why would he be dropping more talented and experienced senior players to start academy products instead? This almost never happens - there has to be a reason to drop your first string players, and more often than not it's down to injury.

Means the same as this:

Mitch Connor wrote: »

the only way a young player should ever thing to get into the team is through injury

Has to be posted.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So when you said a player getting into the team for reason other than injury, what did you mean? When we argued players like butt and Beckham making debuts and appearances came when simply resting players, and you said you didn't remember but it could have been because of injury, what were you arguing?

Exactly what I appeared to be arguing, that it's not at all unusual for young players to get their first starts filling in for injured senior players. You might say it's pretty common. What I certainly wasn't arguing is that it's the only way they do or should get into the team, which is how you've inexplicably misrepresented it.

Look, I've spelled out how I feel about this and I think I've been fairly reasonable about it. I don't know why you seem to want to make it into a pitched battle. You seem to think that LVG should get no credit for relying on youths because he didn't do it exactly the right way. I broadly agree with you that he could have handled things better, and about some of the ways in which he got it wrong, but because I don't exactly agree with you we have to be a loggerheads for some reason. I think that about sums it up, I don't think we need to keep going around in circles.