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The Four Year Plan

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    spaceylou wrote: »
    **Realised afterwards in my befuddled state I gave the woman in a car directions that would have taken her on a footpath and wrong way down a one way street - oops!!

    Serves her right for stopping you in the middle of a session ;). You're very considerate, even if you did send her the wrong way :D. I wouldn't have stopped :o.

    Nice consistency on the splits, well done. There are online calculators you can use to figure out paces, and equivalent race times i.e. your projected 1500m time based on a recent 5K for example. I like the vDot calculator on runsmartproject.com but other people swear by Mcmillanrunning.com


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Serves her right for stopping you in the middle of a session ;). You're very considerate, even if you did send her the wrong way :D. I wouldn't have stopped :o.

    + 1 to this :o the trick is to never make eye contact :D

    well done on the session, its hilarious the commentary that goes on in our heads sometimes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Serves her right for stopping you in the middle of a session ;). You're very considerate, even if you did send her the wrong way :D. I wouldn't have stopped :o.

    Nice consistency on the splits, well done. There are online calculators you can use to figure out paces, and equivalent race times i.e. your projected 1500m time based on a recent 5K for example. I like the vDot calculator on runsmartproject.com but other people swear by Mcmillanrunning.com

    She's probably wishing I hadn't stopped!! Thanks for the suggestions on the pace calculators. I did have a look at them but the last race I did was last June and it was a half marathon so I am not sure it's a great indicator of where I am now, especially for shorter distances.
    Firedance wrote: »
    + 1 to this :o the trick is to never make eye contact :D

    well done on the session, its hilarious the commentary that goes on in our heads sometimes!

    Oh I know, but thinking back on it, nothing was hurting so I just need to make sure the voice saying GO is louder than the voice saying STOP.

    Legs felt grand this morning for 4k easy run :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Plan for the weekend is a 10k / 1 hour ish LSR but I had said I'd try a parkrun this month. I am thinking I might run 3k super easy w/up before and 2k c/d to make up the distance and not race the parkrun just run it a tad quicker than easy...or would I be as well off just running it easy.

    Marley Park is where I would be headed and they seem to have a big crowd most weeks with times that would allow me to run it easy and still not be last (I know someone has to be last but I am not sure my little ego could take it)...shall ponder it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    if you race a parkrun it'll give you an idea of where you are now with regard paces for intervals & tempos etc. You could race the PR on Saturday and still do a LR on Sunday nice & easy?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Sunday's are kinda reserved for long walks at the moment...building up to 13 days of walking a section of the Camino in May from Lisbon to Porto! I'll see how the legs feel tomorrow / Saturday morning.

    Also I am a total PR virgin and have no idea how it works - like what do I do with my barcode? Perhaps I should skim the giant PR thread for tips...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    spaceylou wrote: »
    Sunday's are kinda reserved for long walks at the moment...building up to 13 days of walking a section of the Camino in May from Lisbon to Porto! I'll see how the legs feel tomorrow / Saturday morning.

    Also I am a total PR virgin and have no idea how it works - like what do I do with my barcode? Perhaps I should skim the giant PR thread for tips...

    no need :) just turn up at 9.20 for the warm up (some PR's have one) keep your barcode on you while your running (if you have access to a laminator its a super way to keep it dry) do the run and when you go through the finish shoot you'll get a token. You bring your token & your barcode to the lovely volunteers who are scanning and they wave a magic wand and hey presto, you'll be in the results! Be warned though..... parkrun is addictive :D enjoy it!

    edit: actually if you're doing Marley turn up a bit earlier than that as numbers are big and parking I'm sure is busy. (FYI Tymon & Cabinteely are two smaller parkruns within driving distance of Marley)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Thanks a million for the advice FD - that makes a tonne of sense. I think Tymon is actually a wee bit closer to me than Marley but I know Marley park and how to get there whereas I don't know Tymon at all - gosh I sound like an awful cautious nelly!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    All the parkruns have individual pages on the main parkrun website with very comprehensive instructions, directions, maps, route descriptions, parking info etc. Most have their own FB page too. Whichever one you pick (first!) will be friendly and well organised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    No longer a parkrun virgin :D

    Results are in 318th overall and 84th woman at Marley Park this morning. Finishing time 28:23 which is not great like but gives me something to work from. Decided to try race this rather than incorporate it into a long run.

    Pre-race - didn't decide until this morning what I was doing so no prep beyond getting a lovely night's sleep and my porridge this morning.

    Warm-up - didn't really do this properly. Was a super slow jog around Marley finding a loo and the start and getting slightly lost :rolleyes: ...maybe a km in total, did get warm enough to loose the fleese that I had forgotten to leave in the car. Was trying to figure out how annoying it would be tied around my waist for the 5k when I saw that people were abandoning layers near the start/finish so decide to do the same.

    K1 - no clue where to start, no idea how fast ppl were so kept back but in front of buggies, dogs and people who looked like walkers...it was too far back. Was very crowded, moving very slow and took 6:51 before hit the first marker.

    K2 - field spread out a bit so was able to pick up the pace, and I did...was trying to run by feel and only looking at the watch at the markers. Kept asking myself could I do this for 4 more k, answered yes, clearly delusional. This was 5:09

    K3 - field stayed spread out so was able to keep progressing but the delusion became clear as I slowed somewhat. Based on no information at all I decided I'd be happy to finish in the top 100 women. Don't remember a whole lot more about this 5:39

    K4 -Decided that with 2k to go that if I had any chance of keeping up pace I'd need to play reel em in....which I did. Passed about 20 during this k but was starting to suffer. Did a check and nothing hurt but lungs were working and my legs had that cold leaden feeling - I guess due to lack of proper warm up. 5:46

    K5 - Getting harder to pass people and had a bit of a battle with a guy that I had passed, he came back and was on my shoulder, I'd push on to create a gap, he'd catch again, I'd push and we did this maybe 3 or 4 times before I just couldn't push any further and he passed me. Held on in, rounded the bend for the last straight bit and gave it one last spurt to almost catch him, and pass 2 others in the process. He finished a mere second ahead of me. My breathing was pretty brutal at this stage though. Final k was 4:53

    Lessons learned:
    1. Do a warm-up
    2. Start further up the field
    3. Push harder!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    great stuff SL :) you'll be back for more I presume :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Firedance wrote: »
    great stuff SL :) you'll be back for more I presume :p

    I imagine so, see why people say pr is addictive!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Week Beginning 8 Feb: round up

    A bit of a meh week, some bits up some bits down.

    Monday
    Plan was easy run and pilates - that didn't quite work out. I was exhausted, really totally utterly exhausted so I had a mini lie in and didn't even do any concentrated phd work either. Was the better for it but it means my weekly millage is down.

    Tuesday
    Rest (planned)

    Wednesday
    First attempt at intervals - see previous post. In hind sight fairly happy with this session. 7.66k

    Thursday
    AM: Early morning easy run, enjoyed 4.4 km @ avg 6:17 /km
    PM: Gentle swim, all back-stroke to maximise benefit for shoulders, 300m

    Friday
    Rest (planned)

    Saturday
    First Parkrun ever - will def be back. See report above. Claiming 1k for the warm-up plus 5 for the run. Pace not very consistent. Had family walk thing planned as part of celebrations for my aunts 60th (what can I say, my family are odd) but we were late (viewing very lovely house - fingers crossed) so only got about a 30min walk in.

    Sunday
    Rest

    Project strong and stretchy
    Pilates 0/1
    Morning stretches 6/7
    Back rehab exercises 6/7
    JD Challenge 2/7 - could do better
    Swim 1/2 - improvement on last week

    Totals:
    Week - 18.07 km (down from 26 last week but more speedy work so not too worried)
    Month - 44.05 km
    YtD - 96.36 km

    Next week...

    Have another speed related session planned for Wednesday and hope to increase millage a little. Run four days and keep up on project 'strong and stretchy' with pilates tomorrow, daily stretches and rehab as well as some easy swimming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    this week is not going to plan - am wrecked. Not sick or anything, just tired. Not quite getting 8 hours a night but close - must try get to bed earlier!

    Monday I did run to pilates (long route), take pilates class - mixed class and I am def a beginner so finding it tough, run home (short route) but since then nada!

    Tonight I have a 30 min run planned with the middle 10min at 10k pace...determined that I will do it, even if tired. I mean, 30 min is nothing - tis shorter than an episode of code black (which is strangely addictive).

    Universe please send motivational vibes my way :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    that's the second week you've mentioned tiredness SL, how's your diet? are you getting enough vitamins & plenty of fresh fruit & veg & water? Might be nothing to do with that of course but would be the first thing I'd look at if it were me :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Thanks FD hadn't realised I mentioned it before - diet is fairly okay I think, typical would be:

    porridge for breakfast and some fruit

    coffee and homemade baked goods for 11s - obviously baked goods are not great but figure when I make myself I have control over the amount of processed sh1t that gets included and some stuff I make has no sugar (like my granola bars)

    Salad with chicken/fish/egg for lunch or homemade soup if at home

    Fruit and nuts / veg sticks and humous / peanut butter on crackers for afternoon snack

    Dinner varies but always with plenty of veg, try have a mix of colours and to get a mix of different meats/fish during the week.

    The odd day would be a two coffee day or chocolate might sneak into the afternoon snack but I'd say I eat okay at least 80 per cent of the time. Probably ought to drink more water.

    I suspect the tiredness is more to do with the long hours in office and time spent driving. How do people with children manage - i just have to look after myself! I am going to set an alarm every evening for the next week or two and get into the habit of going to bed when it goes off. Even if I don't feel sleepy I can read, which usually sends me straight off anyway - takes forever to finish a book! :rolleyes: If still an issue after a run of decent night's sleep I will investigate other causes like iron levels or whatever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    that's a pretty healthy looking diet! similar to mine :D I find the ole berroca boost or kelkin revive great for an extra hit over the winter months, definitely increase your water intake, I can't get over the difference its made to how I feel..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    spaceylou wrote: »
    If still an issue after a run of decent night's sleep I will investigate other causes like iron levels or whatever.

    If you're eating that well and getting close to 8 hours of sleep most nights but you're still tired, I'd definitely start looking into getting bloods checked sooner rather than later if I were you. It could be very easily fixed.

    Well done on the Parkrun btw!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Thanks for the tips you guys - I'll have a look at sleep and stress over the next week or so and if still super pooped will make a doc appointment.

    Now on to running...the OH had recently expressed an interest in this running lark so I agreed that I'd do a couch to 5k programme with him. He is reasonably fit from cycling in and out to work and walking everywhere - he likes the slow and steady aspect of walking that will get you there eventually. Anyway, we did day one this evening, probably did the running segments too fast if here wasn't so long walking between them but he was fine and it worked as my warm-up. Waved him off home while I then went on to do a 30min planned run with 10 min easy; 10 min at 10k pace and 10 min easy.

    First time doing a session of this variety with the help of my watch and it spent the whole time beeping at me :o

    First 10 min took me a few minutes to get into the groove and go slow enough. Second 10 min I never really managed it although with the pace set for a range from 5:45 - 6:00 min/k I was doing around 5:42 - 5:45 so I decided to just let it beep at me because my pace is based on last week's 5k so its a soft enough race time. Final 10 min was grand once I slowed from the fast bit to the slow bit. Enjoyed this and was good to get out.

    Total distance 8.37km and a nice even 105 for the year so far :D

    Now to bed with me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Week Beginning 15 Feb: round up

    Tired this week but happy enough with how running went overall

    Monday
    Easy run to pilates; pilates class - tough but enjoyable; easy run home (shortest route).
    Total: 6.25

    Tuesday
    Rest (planned)

    Wednesday
    Rest (unplanned) and tired which prompted the discussion re diet and sleep above.

    Thursday
    Did a couch25k session with OH before doing the run with tempo section originally planned for Wednesday. Happy enough with pace
    Total running: 8.37

    Friday
    Rest (planned)

    Saturday
    LSR - didn't get to this until I was down in the homeland of the sunny south east. Enjoyable and more hills in waterford than Dublin 6 which was nice for a change. Did bits of this a bit too fast to be honest but felt good most of the time and the slower paced kms all correspond with up hill and/or heading straight into a tough wind.
    Total: 12.1

    Sunday
    Little walk with my mum - about 1 hour 20min on the move but less distance covered than I would normally. Have booked flights for the Camino at the end of May so gonna have to pick up the walking training in the coming weeks.

    Project strong and stretchy
    Pilates 1/1
    Morning stretches 6/7
    Back rehab exercises 6/7
    JD Challenge 0/7 - next week; next week
    Swim 0/2 - :(

    Totals:
    Week - 26.68 km (18.07 last week)
    Month - 70.73 km
    YtD - 123 km- Woohoo over the 100 :D

    Next week...

    Am signed up for the paced mile on Wednesday which should be interesting. Plan A: stick with the 8min mile pacers for as long as possible, hopefully having a bit of extra juice left at the end to kick for final lap and finish in less than 8. Plan B: stick with the 8min mile pacers as long as possible and not fade too soon and finish in less than 8:30. Plan C: finish is less than 9min. Aside from that keep up with ancillary stuff although still in Wfd so will miss pilates tomorrow, run 4 days with optional recovery run on Sunday to bring it to 5 and of course vote on Friday. :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    spaceylou wrote: »

    Am signed up for the paced mile on Wednesday which should be interesting. Plan A: stick with the 8min mile pacers for as long as possible, hopefully having a bit of extra juice left at the end to kick for final lap and finish in less than 8. Plan B: stick with the 8min mile pacers as long as possible and not fade too soon and finish in less than 8:30. Plan C: finish is less than 9min.

    The one in Alsaa ? Might see you there :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    The one in Alsaa ? Might see you there :D

    Yeah that's the one - kinda nervous cause haven't done it before. What time are you aiming for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    spaceylou wrote: »
    Yeah that's the one - kinda nervous cause haven't done it before. What time are you aiming for?

    I'd say a lot of people will be in the same boat so don't be nervous, it'll be fun :D. I haven't done the paced mile before but I've done a few track miles as part of the Alsaa winter league. I'm hoping to use the pacers to stop me going off too fast and then regretting it :rolleyes:. Forecast looks good - not too windy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    So BG was right, was fun. After some maths and checking of pace calculater I decided I was mad attempting 8 min and would do the 9 min.

    Out to track for warm up, met BG (nice to put face to name), she advised I prob could do it faster but I didn't listen. Lined up with the 9 min folk, first lap was glad and let the powder away from me slightly legs were cold I think... Despite the warm-up if was pretty cold out there! Lap two got closer to pacer, feeling good. Lap three, on pacer's shoulder, still feeling good. Pacer was great during this lap she was giving us tips for how to push on in the final lap and when to empty the tank. Audible tut from someone when my watch beeped at km - get over it people, some of us believe in metric! Final lap started to pull away, felt great, really pushed, got in at 8:31... In hindsight should have gone with the 8 min pacer, might not have managed to stay with them the whole way but prob could have knocked a few more seconds off

    Next time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    spaceylou wrote: »
    So BG was right, was fun. After some maths and checking of pace calculater I decided I was mad attempting 8 min and would do the 9 min.

    Out to track for warm up, met BG (nice to put face to name), she advised I prob could do it faster but I didn't listen. Lined up with the 9 min folk, first lap was glad and let the powder away from me slightly legs were cold I think... Despite the warm-up if was pretty cold out there! Lap two got closer to pacer, feeling good. Lap three, on pacer's shoulder, still feeling good. Pacer was great during this lap she was giving us tips for how to push on in the final lap and when to empty the tank. Audible tut from someone when my watch beeped at km - get over it people, some of us believe in metric! Final lap started to pull away, felt great, really pushed, got in at 8:31... In hindsight should have gone with the 8 min pacer, might not have managed to stay with them the whole way but prob could have knocked a few more seconds off

    Next time!

    Lovely to meet you Spaceylou and well done, that last lap was something to behold! Deffo go with the 8 min pacer the next time, or the 7 min :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    spaceylou wrote: »
    Audible tut from someone when my watch beeped at km - get over it people, some of us believe in metric!

    :D:D:D

    well done SL! sounds like you really enjoyed that and now you've laid down the benchmark for the next one :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    GOOD MORNING :D

    Tis so lovely and sunny out there this morning, albeit also pretty 'Fresh'. After last night's mile thought I'd pop out for a recovery run before work. Lovely except I did it too fast and I feel as if I will suffer later as a result! Tut tut tut :( 6k @ avg 6:03min / km

    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Lovely to meet you Spaceylou and well done, that last lap was something to behold! Deffo go with the 8 min pacer the next time, or the 7 min :D
    Firedance wrote: »
    :D:D:D

    well done SL! sounds like you really enjoyed that and now you've laid down the benchmark for the next one :)

    Awh thanks you guys :D

    Just looked at the splits on runresults...looks like:

    split: 0.7 (guessing this is that tiny bit at start to make a full mile)
    Lap 1: 2:05
    Lap 2: 2:13
    Lap 3: 2:17
    Lap 4: 1:52

    No wonder I found the first lap the hardest it was faster than the middle two and the finish line wasn't looming - haha!

    Really should have gone with the 8 min gang, kinda annoyed with myself now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Wow, look at lap 4. That's super going. Well done.

    Km, sake. Tut acceptable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    aquinn wrote: »
    Wow, look at lap 4. That's super going. Well done.

    Km, sake. Tut acceptable.

    I will not be shaken on this one - miles make no sense to me :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭chickey2


    spaceylou wrote: »
    I will not be shaken on this one - miles make no sense to me :D

    Stay strong and don't listen to aquinn! At least not when she's talking about miles!


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