Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Are our u18s playing city now?.

Its on MUTV now but it dosnt say live in the TV guide but it does on the screen in the top right.

1pm KO.

Lucas Hood wrote: »

You cant call it trusting in youths if they're the only players he has available to him.

You can't call it trusting in youths at all, its a complete myth.

Ask Januzaj and Wilson what his youth development is like, ask Varela what its like sitting behind Ashley Young, ask Powell what its like getting thrown in for a game and then shunted out again, ask Periera what the bench is like, ask Depay how he is developing right now...

Borthwick Jackson gets games because everybody is injured, and Anthony Martial is a £36 million french international, not some kid promoted from the reserves. Who does that leave? Lingard? Sure, he has played him alright, he is also 23 and no longer a kid. And 20 year old Paddy McNair looked worse each of the 7 times he got on the field this season.

Van Gaals development of the youth players doesn't stand up to any scrutiny at all, yet you are going to hear plenty of people calling it a positive of his reign. Makes no sense to me.

Squad selection doesn't surprise me. Two legged affair with the second leg at home. To a VASTLY inferior team.

This should be a comfortable entry into the last 16, so it's fine by me resting some players.

Failure to get through this tie would be immediate dismissal. But I really can't even comprehend our squad not going through this comfortably.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Van Gaals development of the youth players doesn't stand up to any scrutiny at all, yet you are going to hear plenty of people calling it a positive of his reign. Makes no sense to me.

If they're not good enough to play then we'd be giving out. If they're limited in ability then there's only so much he can bring them on. But he's given them a chance - as I said previous by accident or design - which is something Fergie never did towards the end.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

All I replay to this post is a big lol and nothing more. You can put negative spin on anything.

You may as LOL, because you certainly can't point out anything incorrect in there, unless you want to tell us all how all those individual players have come on leaps and bounds under the great Louis Van Gaal?

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

If they're not good enough to play then we'd be giving out. If they're limited in ability then there's only so much he can bring them on. But he's given them a chance - as I said previous by accident or design - which is something Fergie never did towards the end.

"Given them a chance" is a wishy washy statement, look past that to how they have actually been used. How Januzaj was feted and then discarded weeks later. How Varela was thrown in the deep end then thrown back into the weeds again. How Peirera has sat scratching all season, how Wilson never got a sniff despite our shockers up front.

Its lazy ****e to just call this being negative, any analysis of the use of our players puts the lie to this myth of him being good for their development.

bucketybuck wrote: »

"Given them a chance" is a wishy washy statement, look past that to how they have actually been used. How Januzaj was feted and then discarded weeks later. How Varela was thrown in the deep end then thrown back into the weeds again. How Peirera has sat scratching all season, how Wilson never got a sniff despite our shockers up front.

Its lazy ****e to just call this being negative, any analysis of the use of our players puts the lie to this myth of him being good for their development.

Yeah if one or two youngsters didn't get chance then whole trusting young players is a myth.

People moan when certain youngsters are given chances and moan when some (who are rated highly by so called experts here but don't care about which position is open in the team) youngsters are not.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Yeah if one or two youngsters didn't get chance then whole trusting young players is a myth.

People moan when certain youngsters are given chances and moan when some (who are rated highly by so called experts here but don't care about which position is open in the team) youngsters are not.

So he "trusted youth" id like to see players progress.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Why not give him credit for giving chances to Varela? He got chances because squad was trimmed. In the past we saw Fletcher playing as RB and Smalling was makeshift RB for years.

And we've been watching Young and Valencia play as makeshift defenders for 18 months. Verela was and is still behind them.

He only got a chance because they were injured and the CB's who LVG would have used as makeshift RB's were also injured.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

There are far more talented players at other clubs waiting for breakthrough, Van Gaal even in this **** season is not afraid to trust young players.

You are putting negative spin on Powell getting chance at Wolfsburg and that's the trust we are talking about. Young player who was back from injury was trusted enough to come on late in the game. Varela was trusted to start as RB and CBJ played in that game too.

If it was any other manager it would have been senior players playing out of position.

If there is lack of quality then manager can't do much. At least they can't moan about not getting their chances.

So if a manager guts his squad and then throws some youth players in from time to time, regardless of whether they have the quality or not, thats good youth development? Not to mention, Januzaj, Wilson, Powell, Varela, Peirera and McNair have 16 league appearances between them this season. Not starts, just appearances. They have really been flooded with chances haven't they?

And how can you talk about trusting Varela, where was that trust when senior player Ashley Young was repeatedly selected ahead of him at full back, before and after the Wolfsburg game? Was he really trusting Powell, or was that all just a hail mary throw? I suspect the number of Powell appearances before and after Wolfsburg might answer that...

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

What's the summary of Martial so far? I haven't been getting to see full games a lot this season. Is he our only shining light? I've heard he's inconsistent but what I've seen he looks lively.

He always looks a threat. Extremely skillful, a real injection of pace.

At 19, he is going to have some issues with decision making, and it happens frequently. But I am perfectly fine putting up with it because there is an abundance of talent there.

He gets cut A LOT more slack then Memphis. Memphis it's for obvious reasons, assumptions and judgements on his attitude, and fans doing that typical tribal thing of it being a disgrace he doesn't sit in a room with the curtains drawn after he loses a game.

But Martial is just as slack when it comes to tracking back and doesn't put a shift in(for me anyway, but I don't mind that and don't want him doing that)

His development will be crucial. But he is very much one of the few positives to come from this season thus far, and hopefully he can develop into an either lethal inside forward, or incredible no.9

But I think it is somewhat indicative of what the fans want. He stats are not impressive, he has some very unflattering data in terms of dribbling and ball retention, but the fact he is quick, sharp and CAN skin a defender, means everyone will give him all the time in the world, and the benefit.


This isn't a gripe by the way. I just read some of his stats the other work that F365 shared, in a counter point to the Van Gaal myth that he doesn't like his players taking risks etc. Martial has one of the highest rates of ball losses and unsuccessful dribbles in the team, and a terribly average pass completion rate. But that is all fine, because he is one of the only players in the team that is totally unpredictable.

OK there is a bit of a gripe. As a big Memphis fan, I think that Martial is getting away with some criticism, is Memphis is to be judged equally in terms of the flak he gets. That Memphis isn't being afforded the benefit of the doubt by a lot of fans, is annoying me massively.

TheDoc wrote: »

He gets cut A LOT more slack then Memphis. Memphis it's for obvious reasons, assumptions and judgements on his attitude, and fans doing that typical tribal thing of it being a disgrace he doesn't sit in a room with the curtains drawn after he loses a game.

Disagree.

Memphis gets cut less slack because he hasn't performed anywhere near good enough.

Martial looks a threat. He has put in MotM performances. He creates chances regularly and scores at a decent rate too.

Memphis, consistently, runs into defenders, plays poor passes, plays poor crosses and makes poor decisions.

Martial has earned the right to have some slack cut by virtue of his performances for United, Memphis hasn't done that at all and it is nothing to do with perceptions of his attitude, partying or his car. It is down to perceptions of his contribution to United on the pitch, which has been poor. Jessie Lingard, whom I don't rate as anything more than average, is in the side ahead of him on merit.

Rossi IRL wrote: »

I have to agree with Bucketybuck on alot of what he has said.

The only reason LVG is playing those players is because he has to not because he wants to. Their only getting played because of injuries and then just tossed back to the u21s. When Young and Valencia are fit, the likes of Varela and possible CBJ wont be seen again in the first team.

I think CBJ would keep his spot over Young at this point to be honest. Don't know if everyone was fit apart from Shaw would he start at LB ahead of Blind or Darmian though.

At right back, i'd say Varela is way behind Darmian and Valencia.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think CBJ would keep his spot over Young at this point to be honest. Don't know if everyone was fit apart from Shaw would he start at LB ahead of Blind or Darmian though.

At right back, i'd say Varela is way behind Darmian and Valencia.

If Rojo was fit aswell he would be ahead of CBJ. The only reason these guys are playing is because we have nobody else.

When Young and Valencia come back at right back then Darmian will go ahead of CBJ for left back.