Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

RobertKK · 14-02-2016 05:58PM

Watching the City/Spurs game, that is the sort of intensity/aggression United need to play with.
A bit more urgency in the play needed.

Ordinary man · 14-02-2016 06:08PM

City losing was the only bright spot this week

Manutd_4life · 14-02-2016 06:08PM

Spurs about to win.

Only 6 points behind City.....

yay

homerjay2005 · 14-02-2016 06:08PM

LVG is now 10 points off the 3rd place target he was set by Woodward.

adox · 14-02-2016 06:14PM

My prediction of City winning the league looking very dodgy although I'm not writing them off yet.

Delighted for Spurs. A huge helping hand with the peno that should never have been but that second goal was a thing of beauty. They look to have a real steel about them. Would love to see them or Leicester go on and win it, although they are the more likely of the two.

Manutd_4life · 14-02-2016 06:16PM

Remaining fixtures:

Arsenal
Watford
West Brom
C.Palace
Man City
Everton
Spurs
Aston Villa
West Ham
Leceister
Norwich
Bournemouth

We are going to need some luck if we are gonna get into top 4.

:(

jayo26 · 14-02-2016 06:20PM

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-star-marouane-fellaini-7367365

looks like this is the reason fellaini was dropped from the squad yesterday....

He cant even go for a drink now without having bangkok in the nighclub assaulting him.

Manutd_4life · 14-02-2016 06:24PM

I hate to do this but the i'm more afraid of dropping lower in the table than climbing up. West Ham, Southampton and Liverpool are right on our tails and could easily overtake us with another slip up in results.

Moyes was given the boot out when he was in 6th or 7th around April if i recall correctly. I can see a similar scenario happening with LVG

Mantis Toboggan · 14-02-2016 06:28PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

I hate to do this but the i'm more afraid of dropping lower in the table than climbing up. West Ham, Southampton and Liverpool are right on our tails and could easily overtake us with another slip up in results.

Moyes was given the boot out when he was in 6th or 7th around April if i recall correctly. I can see a similar scenario happening with LVG

Just as long as we finish ahead of Liverpool I'll be happy

Liam McPoyle · 14-02-2016 06:29PM

bangkok wrote: »

of course not, he probably knew fellaini was in a bar fight and told him he wouldnt be involved on saturday as punishment

Getting a bit of verbal from 3 numpties in a club is now considered a bar fight??

You must live an awfully sheltered life.

deaddonkey15 · 14-02-2016 06:30PM

Frustrating that as bad as United have been, they could still be there or there abouts with City were it not for so many dropped points late on (Newcastle, Chelsea, Sunderland, Southampton etc.)

Pro. F · 14-02-2016 06:42PM

bangkok wrote: »

walcott is not even a starter at the moment. Joel Campbell was keeping him out of the team and now oxlade chamberlain is. When welbeck is 100% fit he will be a starter

If by "starter" you mean first choice, then no, he won't. He'll be an important squad player, who'll get plenty of games, but he won't be first choice. Just like last season.

DARK-KNIGHT · 14-02-2016 06:56PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Remaining fixtures:

Arsenal
Watford
West Brom
C.Palace
Man City
Everton
Spurs
Aston Villa
West Ham
Leceister
Norwich
Bournemouth

We are going to need some luck if we are gonna get into top 4. :(

I could see us losing 5 or 6 of those games the way we are playing
Arsenal
City
Everton
Spurs
Hammers
Leicester

All very loseable games at the moment

Aidric · 14-02-2016 07:02PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Frustrating that as bad as United have been, they could still be there or there abouts with City were it not for so many dropped points late on (Newcastle, Chelsea, Sunderland, Southampton etc.)

That's a futile argument tbf, any team in the league could make the same argument.

Yesterdays result was like a dagger to the heart. If we'd won, much and all as terrible as we've been, we could still be in with a chance of 4th. As it was we lost to a hapless Sunderland, encapsulating what has been a thoroughly grim season.

The clubs legacy was hurt by the early sacking of Moyes and so I can understand the hesitancy on the part of the board in sacking Van Gaal. The reality is that Ferguson was a peerless phenomenon, totally at odds with the management cycles of today, typically 3-4 years maximum.

The Van Gaal project was great in theory but it hasn't worked. To tell you the truth I'm not altogether sure if sacking him now will cause a turnaround capable of getting top four. Unless LVG is a complete authoritarian, which I think he isn't, Giggs is degenerated by extension.

Mourinho is unpalatable to many, me included, but the reality is that we are 6 points behind City with 12 games to play. Given what I said earlier about the typical management cycle these days lasting 3-4 years it's time to be ruthless and bite the bullet.

RobertKK · 14-02-2016 07:06PM

United have similar form to City for the last 6 games, but City have now lost two games in a row.
But both teams have won 2, drew 2 and lost 2 which is the same as Sunderland, West Ham, Liverpool, Everton, Aston Villa and Swansea.

Southampton are the most in form team 5 wins in 6 and 1 draw.
Then Spurs with 5 wins and 1 loss.

I don't think City are much better than us. But we need a big change in form for a top 4.

bangkok · 14-02-2016 07:24PM

Pro. F wrote: »

If by "starter" you mean first choice, then no, he won't. He'll be an important squad player, who'll get plenty of games, but he won't be first choice. Just like last season.

27 starts last season and when he gets fit will be a starter this season and will be a very important player for them in the title run in

deaddonkey15 · 14-02-2016 07:30PM

Aidric wrote: »

That's a futile argument tbf, any team in the league could make the same argument.

Yesterdays result was like a dagger to the heart. If we'd won, much and all as terrible as we've been, we could still be in with a chance of 4th. As it was we lost to a hapless Sunderland, encapsulating what has been a thoroughly grim season.

The clubs legacy was hurt by the early sacking of Moyes and so I can understand the hesitancy on the part of the board in sacking Van Gaal. The reality is that Ferguson was a peerless phenomenon, totally at odds with the management cycles of today, typically 3-4 years maximum.

The Van Gaal project was great in theory but it hasn't worked. To tell you the truth I'm not altogether sure if sacking him now will cause a turnaround capable of getting top four. Unless LVG is a complete authoritarian, which I think he isn't, Giggs is degenerated by extension.

Mourinho is unpalatable to many, me included, but the reality is that we are 6 points behind City with 12 games to play. Given what I said earlier about the typical management cycle these days lasting 3-4 years it's time to be ruthless and bite the bullet.

Dismiss my point as futile and claim it could be applied to any team in the league before going on to make more or less the same point yourself. Good man.

jayo26 · 14-02-2016 07:43PM

bangkok wrote: »

27 starts last season and when he gets fit will be a starter this season and will be a very important player for them in the title run in

He started over 20 of them games as the main striker and managed to score 8 goals come on thats not great at all that's 1 in 4 at best and we got 16 million for him. No point in blowing him up to something he isn't.

Edit: and 3 of them came in a game against galatasary

fatherted1969 · 14-02-2016 07:50PM

Wellbeck was always good enough to stay with utd. Don't think he'd ever be a first 11 player but would be a good squad player

bangkok · 14-02-2016 07:55PM

jayo26 wrote: »

He started over 20 of them games as the main striker and managed to score 8 goals come on thats not great at all that's 1 in 4 at best and we got 16 million for him. No point in blowing him up to something he isn't.

Edit: and 3 of them came in a game against galatasary

Started 20 games up front and scored 8, that's nearly 1in 2.

Sand · 14-02-2016 07:58PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Wellbeck was always good enough to stay with utd. Don't think he'd ever be a first 11 player but would be a good squad player

Like Hernandez, Welbeck did not want to remain at United as a squad player. They both wanted to be the main man. Hernandez dropped a level and is scoring freely in a weaker league. Welbeck has been no better at Arsenal than he was at United. Today was his first game since April 2015? He rarely played more than a few minutes for Arsenal after Sept-Dec 2014.

Getting 16 million for him was very good business for United. Apart from the obvious income, Arsenal might have spent that money on a more threatening player.

Nalz · 14-02-2016 07:59PM

LVG spouted out some nonsense about having only two top strikers, as a sign of confidence in them. Wasn't too long ago too when he said it

jayo26 · 14-02-2016 08:01PM

bangkok wrote: »

Started 20 games up front and scored 8, that's nearly 1in 2.

He didn't score the 8 goals, when he played up top he scored 5 and of which 3 was a hatrick against galatasary so in 20 games up front he scored in 3 games. Yikes.

bangkok · 14-02-2016 08:01PM

Sand wrote: »

Like Hernandez, Welbeck did not want to remain at United as a squad player. They both wanted to be the main man. Hernandez dropped a level and is scoring freely in a weaker league. Welbeck has been no better at Arsenal than he was at United. Today was his first game since April 2015? He rarely played more than a few minutes for Arsenal after Sept-Dec 2014.

Getting 16 million for him was very good business for United. Apart from the obvious income, Arsenal might have spent that money on a more threatening player.

Eh because he was injured. Thats like saying Southampton were right in selling Luke shaw as he hasn't played since October 2015!!

Cantona's Collars · 14-02-2016 08:41PM

https://twitter.com/VRodriguezlaw/status/698876242431451136

Farcical if true,LVG is a lame duck.Giggs has been part of 2 failed management regimes yet seems as if he's teflon coated and is giving the impression he wants the job by default instead of any proof he is up to it.
Jose is available,has always let it known he wants to manage United yet somehow we stick with a failing manager.

Trigger · 14-02-2016 08:44PM

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VRodriguezlaw/status/698876242431451136

Farcical if true,LVG is a lame duck.Giggs has been part of 2 failed management regimes yet seems as if he's teflon coated and is giving the impression he wants the job by default instead of any proof he is up to it.
Jose is available,has always let it known he wants to manage United yet somehow we stick with a failing manager.

He's pretty close to Mendes. Think Mendes is pulling his media strings to get United to pull the finger out. Well I hope thats it.

J. Marston · 14-02-2016 08:50PM

He looks like he's photoshopped himself into his Twitter pic.

Lord TSC · 14-02-2016 08:55PM

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VRodriguezlaw/status/698876242431451136

Farcical if true

Seems a retread of the Castles story. Given BBC, DiMarzio and a lot of credible sources are saying talks are well underway/nearly completed, I'm not worrying. At this stage, it's like Pep to City; the worst kept secret in football.

jayo26 · 14-02-2016 09:04PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Seems a retread of the Castles story. Given BBC, DiMarzio and a lot of credible sources are saying talks are well underway/nearly completed, I'm not worrying. At this stage, it's like Pep to City; the worst kept secret in football.

Can always count on TSC to make me sleep better thanks dude

J. Marston · 14-02-2016 09:12PM

Off topic but Barca are taking the piss in their match. Worth watching the highlights.

Messi and Suarez did a Henry/Pires penalty, successfully.

https://twitter.com/FutbolSergi/status/698977397417381893?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

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