Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

omega man · 02-02-2016 11:00PM

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

As much as I like Welbeck he's nothing short of mediocre.

I'd play him over Walcott right now.

No competition up front isn't helping our situation.

02-02-2016 11:00PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Just one last thing

I thought Cazorla was very poor so though having Ramsey on the right

Maybe they need eachother??

That's exactly it. Even though I wasn't a fan of Ramsey on the wing, he would constantly come in off the side and give Santi an option. Santi was greatly helped by having an in-form Coq alongside, and a midfielder on the wing.

tayto lover · 02-02-2016 11:01PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Hate watching MOTD after a bad result.

Thought you'd be used to it by now.

Gringo180 · 02-02-2016 11:07PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Thought you'd be used to it by now.

The joys of being an Arsenal fan. Dont know whats more depressing, Spurs ahead of us or a Van Gaal led Utd side only 5 points off us.

farna_boy · 02-02-2016 11:09PM

Don't know where to begin really.

Defense was generally ok but I did have my heart in my mouth a few times Gabriel went in for a tackle. Bellerin's crossing was woeful. Don't know if Monreal even attempted across tonight.

Midfield? Campbell moved around I guess? Flamini made himself available for the ball when defense was under pressure, fell back if someone pushed on, made a few dodgy passes but surprisingly no bad tackles. Ramsey? Don't know, nothing notable except gave the ball away towards end of first half under zero pressure and took a shot in the second half.

Sanchez had a good game but maybe isn't back to his full fitness yet. Was fouled a lot/everytime he got the ball.

Ozil was good on the ball in open play. His corners and freekicks were dreadful though. I think he beat the first man only 2-3 times from corners.

Giroud? Don't know, had a few half chances but was living off scraps so was lucky to get that.

Walcott? Other than his miss only remember him putting in one cross for the whole time he was on.

Coq - not on long enough.

Not really sure the selection can be blamed. Players didn't perform. The team that was out there tonight should have easily beaten them. I really don't understand how they didn't.

Hopefully we don't see Ramsey or Flamini next game and it is Elnenny and Coq.

tayto lover · 02-02-2016 11:13PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

The joys of being an Arsenal fan. Dont know whats more depressing, Spurs ahead of us or a Van Gaal led Utd side only 5 points off us.

We're in a fight for 4th yet again.
In the next 2 months we have trips to City, Everton, United and in-form Spurs and our games with Barca in between. We are also home to Leicester.
I see no reason to be optimistic as our form is really poor and we are not scoring nearly enough.

brianregan09 · 02-02-2016 11:23PM

Been a while since a good old meltdown lol

tayto lover · 02-02-2016 11:24PM

brianregan09 wrote: »

Been a while since a good old meltdown lol

Plenty of opportunities for meltdowns when you follow Arsenal lol.

Barlett · 03-02-2016 12:20AM

Hopefully the return of Coquelin will be similar to his appearance in the latter half of last season

03-02-2016 07:46AM

This graphic pretty much sums it up. 11 shots on target without scoring a goal. League high for this season.

You have to make the keeper work for it. I'm sure Forster will come out of the match with stats saying he made loads of saves, but the reality is the ball was kicked straight at him most of the time.

L'prof · 03-02-2016 08:36AM

Basil3 wrote: »

This graphic pretty much sums it up. 11 shots on target without scoring a goal. League high for this season.

You have to make the keeper work for it. I'm sure Forster will come out of the match with stats saying he made loads of saves, but the reality is the ball was kicked straight at him most of the time.

He did make some very good reactionary saves but nothing was too far away from him. Disappointing.

emmetlego · 03-02-2016 09:20AM

Thought I'd feel better about the game this morning... No, it's worse!!! Frustrating!

Boskowski · 03-02-2016 09:25AM

Well, its Bournemouth and Leicester now while City have Leicester and Spurs. The table could look a lot more friendly after that. I dearly hope so.

wonga77 · 03-02-2016 09:37AM

Tayto is that you???

Gringo180 · 03-02-2016 10:00AM

wonga77 wrote: »

Tayto is that you???

Cant really argue with that. Hes spot on.

03-02-2016 10:04AM

Some people are delighted to throw the 'nobody good enough to sign' at other posters. Alright. Hows Bafetimbi Gomis going lads? So many 5 game wonders that this thread have cried out for. Its easy to be the cynic and shoving it down people's throats knowing they aren't gonna bother pointing out all of the times you said we'd lose but we won, or all the ****e players you lost your mind over us not signing.

galwaylad14 · 03-02-2016 10:08AM

I often wonder if some football fans (such as the ones posting in this thread) even watch the match or just look for the result make assumptions about the performance based on that.

Obviously the result is the most important thing and it didn't go Arsenal's way last night. But to look at the performance it is clear that it was just one of those nights when the ball wouldn't go in despite creating mountains of chances. This was a combination of excellent goalkeeping and poor finishing. But the actual performance was good. All it takes is 2 of those 11 shots on target to sneak past Forster and it's a solid 2-0 win and everything is rosy but yet it would have been the exact same performance apart from two shots on goal. It's not like they went the whole night without creating anything of note (ala Liverpool lately). They created loads just through a great performance from Forster, some poor finishing and plain bad luck they weren't able to make the breakthrough. It happens.

wandatowell · 03-02-2016 10:11AM

I suppose one way to look at it is that we'll be top if we win our next 5 League games.

03-02-2016 10:13AM

Leicester won 2-0
Tottenham won 3-0
United won 3-0

What's the thing they all have in common? Half as many shots on target as us. Over the course of a season, chances created and goals scored are meant to average out. Sure doesn't feel that way, our conversion rate is atrocious.

Gringo180 · 03-02-2016 10:17AM

galwaylad14 wrote: »

I often wonder if some football fans (such as the ones posting in this thread) even watch the match or just look for the result make assumptions about the performance based on that.

Obviously the result is the most important thing and it didn't go Arsenal's way last night. But to look at the performance it is clear that it was just one of those nights when the ball wouldn't go in despite creating mountains of chances. This was a combination of excellent goalkeeping and poor finishing. But the actual performance was good. All it takes is 2 of those 11 shots on target to sneak past Forster and it's a solid 2-0 win and everything is rosy but yet it would have been the exact same performance apart from two shots on goal. It's not like they went the whole night without creating anything of note (ala Liverpool lately). They created loads just through a great performance from Forster, some poor finishing and plain bad luck they weren't able to make the breakthrough. It happens.

Of course it happens. But it happens all too often for us when the pressure is on. 9 points dropped out of the last 12 now, its not the performance people are frustrated about its the results and thats all that matters at the end of the day. In the next few weeks were away to Bournemouth, Spurs, Utd, Everton and a home game v Leicester. We also have to travel to Man City. Honestly cant for the life of me see how we can win the league now

Gringo180 · 03-02-2016 10:20AM

Basil3 wrote: »

Leicester won 2-0
Tottenham won 3-0
United won 3-0

What's the thing they all have in common? Half as many shots on target as us. Over the course of a season, chances created and goals scored are meant to average out. Sure doesn't feel that way, our conversion rate is atrocious.

And I got slated saying we needed another striker :pac:

Welbeck wont be up to full speed for another 4 or 5 weeks as it was a serious injury he had and even at that he isnt the most prolific of goalscorers. Giroud will go games without scoring and Walcott, well id rather even stick Campbell up front than him.

golfball37 · 03-02-2016 10:21AM

Basil3 wrote: »

Leicester won 2-0
Tottenham won 3-0
United won 3-0

What's the thing they all have in common? Half as many shots on target as us. Over the course of a season, chances created and goals scored are meant to average out. Sure doesn't feel that way, our conversion rate is atrocious.

Tottenham hit the woodwork twice too. Your stat is meaningless though as both Spurs and Utd had the game won after 20 mins so the need for all out attack and efforts on target wasn't as pronounced as Arsenal's.

03-02-2016 10:24AM

Gringo180 wrote: »

And I got slated saying we needed another striker :pac:

Welbeck wont be up to full speed for another 4 or 5 weeks as it was a serious injury he had and even at that he isnt the most prolific of goalscorers. Giroud will go games without scoring and Walcott, well id rather even stick Campbell up front than him.

Yeah. Chelsea need a striker. United need a striker. It's easy to say we didn't win because we didn't have another striker last night. The reality is that based on the chances created, it should have been an easy win, with the players we already have.

03-02-2016 10:25AM

golfball37 wrote: »

Tottenham hit the woodwork twice too. Your stat is meaningless though as both Spurs and Utd had the game won after 20 mins so the need for all out attack and efforts on target wasn't as pronounced as Arsenal's.

The conversion rate isn't meaningless.

Gringo180 · 03-02-2016 10:43AM

Basil3 wrote: »

Yeah. Chelsea need a striker. United need a striker. It's easy to say we didn't win because we didn't have another striker last night. The reality is that based on the chances created, it should have been an easy win, with the players we already have.

With players who have consistently failed time and time again when the pressure is on. The team Chelsea won the league with last year, there main striker Costa was a new signing, they spent 100 million that summer most importantly signed a striker at the top of his game who was banging in the goals in La Liga. They knew they had a weak spot in there side they addressed it and won the league.

Why have we only spent 17 million on a goalkeeper and an unknown midfielder in 2 transfer windows when our side isnt good enough to win a lge which was evident last season.

You cant compare Utd because they are below us and struggling, although they did bring in a fabulous talent in Martial.

03-02-2016 10:48AM

Gringo180 wrote: »

With players who have consistently failed time and time again when the pressure is on. The team Chelsea won the league with last year, there main striker Costa was a new signing, they spent 100 million that summer most importantly signed a striker at the top of his game who was banging in the goals in La Liga. They knew they had a weak spot in there side they addressed it and won the league.

Why have we only spent 17 million on a goalkeeper and an unknown midfielder in 2 transfer windows when our side isnt good enough to win a lge which was evident last season.

You cant compare Utd because they are below us and struggling, although they did bring in a fabulous talent in Martial.

This whole pressure thing is rubbish. Was last night a high pressure match? I don't think so. Do the players feel constant pressure when they are near the top of the league? No clue, but I doubt it. It's not like they played really badly last night, things just didn't go their way.

Pressure is having to dig your way out of a bad position to go through to the knockout phases of the Champions League. Pressure is having to come from behind in an FA Cup Final to win the Cup. Pressure is having to go on a crazy good run to secure a top 4 finish.

My point is, this team has shown they can cope with pressure many times before. Every time they don't win a match when they are near the top of the league, they are 'bottlers' or can't handle the 'pressure'. Lets see if any other team near the top loses again this season. Bunch of bottlers.

5star02707 · 03-02-2016 10:53AM

This result wouldn't have hurt so bad if we won 2 games from these 3 opponents Liverpool, Stoke or Chelsea. But that was the past. I was seriously rooting for us to win it this year i just hope results in the future will translate to trophies!

JustTheOne · 03-02-2016 11:01AM

What's worrying is its a repeat every season. Start off great then die around January February.

Same mistakes same pattern rinse repeat.

Gringo180 · 03-02-2016 11:01AM

Basil3 wrote: »

This whole pressure thing is rubbish. Was last night a high pressure match? I don't think so. Do the players feel constant pressure when they are near the top of the league? No clue, but I doubt it. It's not like they played really badly last night, things just didn't go their way.

Pressure is having to dig your way out of a bad position to go through to the knockout phases of the Champions League. Pressure is having to come from behind in an FA Cup Final to win the Cup. Pressure is having to go on a crazy good run to secure a top 4 finish.

My point is, this team has shown they can cope with pressure many times before. Every time they don't win a match when they are near the top of the league, they are 'bottlers' or can't handle the 'pressure'. Lets see if any other team near the top loses again this season. Bunch of bottlers.

Letd be honest here, we had one of the easiest groups in the Champs Lge and just about scraped through. Battered in Zagreb, battered at home against Olympiakos where our defending was nothing short of a disgrace. Luckily we beat Bayern at home were they had near 75% of the possession so you could say we rode our luck a but that night. They then murdered us in the return leg, and we went on to win our final games which should be expected.

Our Fa Cup comebacks where great wins. But against better opposition we would of been dead and buried by half time especially the Hull City game.

In my opinion this Arsenal side are very soft, and faulter when the tough gets going. We have no real leaders in the squad.

Ol' Donie · 03-02-2016 11:05AM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Letd be honest here, we had one of the easiest groups in the Champs Lge and just about scraped through. Battered in Zagreb, battered at home against Olympiakos where our defending was nothing short of a disgrace. Luckily we beat Bayern at home were they had near 75% of the possession so you could say we rode our luck a but that night. They then murdered us in the return leg, and we went on to win our final games which should be expected.

Our Fa Cup comebacks where great wins. But against better opposition we would of been dead and buried by half time especially the Hull City game.

In my opinion this Arsenal side are very soft, and faulter when the tough gets going. We have no real leaders in the squad.

You forgot how lucky we were to beat United and City.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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