Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

emmetlego · 28-01-2016 11:18PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Its ok we got a 3-3 draw at the mighty anfield.

There is a DVD soon I believe for resilience and self belief;)

Suffering Jesus.

Bobby Baccala · 28-01-2016 11:27PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Its ok we got a 3-3 draw at the mighty anfield.

There is a DVD soon I believe for resilience and self belief;)

This post is a load of grade A ****

gosplan · 29-01-2016 01:05AM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Pissed off with our inactivity in this market. We have basically signed 2 players for a combined total of 17 million in 2 seasons now. How is that for ambition. Cant see Ozil or Alexis hanging around much longer, 2 world class players at there peak surrounded by headless chickens like Walcott and Oxlade Chamberlain. Wenger has to go if he doesnt strengthen this window and we fail to win the league, love the man but he is ruining his own legacy.

Do you mean 2 transfer windows rather than two seasons?

We don't need anyone else that badly right now tbh.

The damage was done in summer when we didn't get a backup for Coq. Same as with Kos the season before.

emmetlego · 29-01-2016 01:20AM

So here's the test:

Name any player, that was obvious, that we could have signed, for a reasonable amount of cash, that we needed and was better than we had?

Yeah? I know. Petr Cech! End of.

emmetlego · 29-01-2016 01:20AM

So here's the test:

Name any player, that was obvious, that we could have signed, for a reasonable amount of cash, that we needed and was better than we had?

Yeah? I know. Petr Cech! End of.

wonski · 29-01-2016 01:24AM

emmetlego wrote: »

So here's the test:

Name any player, that was obvious, that we could have signed, for a reasonable amount of cash, that we needed and was better than we had?

Yeah? I know. Petr Cech! End of.

Martial

Just kidding.

There were no players available, unless someone was willing to pay over the odds for a player who was not worth it.

We all know it now.

emmetlego · 29-01-2016 02:20AM

wonski wrote: »

Martial

Just kidding.

There were no players available, unless someone was willing to pay over the odds for a player who was not worth it.

We all know it now.

And Arsene knew it long ago too! But the keyboard warriors here know better! As I said earlier, Jesus wept!

KaiserGunner · 29-01-2016 03:49AM

emmetlego wrote: »

So here's the test:

Name any player, that was obvious, that we could have signed, for a reasonable amount of cash, that we needed and was better than we had?

Yeah? I know. Petr Cech! End of.

Why does the player have to be obvious? That's why we have a scouting network. There is no justification for not signing an outfield player in the summer, unless you have the perfect squad.

There are players out there that are better than we have and could be signed, it's extremely arrogant to suggest otherwise. If we win the league this year, then yeah I won't care that we didn't sign anyone.
But if we don't win it and fall short, than questions have to be asked why we didn't sign anyone to strengthen, when the money is clearly there.

So what happens in the upcoming summer? We don't sign anyone else again, as there is nobody out there available for a reasonable amount of cash? Transfer fees are only going to be more inflated this summer with the new tv deal.

gosplan · 29-01-2016 07:04AM

emmetlego wrote: »

So here's the test:

Name any player, that was obvious, that we could have signed, for a reasonable amount of cash, that we needed and was better than we had?

Yeah? I know. Petr Cech! End of.

To an extent I agree with you.

People always bang on about a world class striker but there was no chance of replacing Giroud this season. In fact most of the complaints about transfer windows are rediculous.

There are two things Wenger IS guilty off though.

Firstly, waiting till now to sign Elneny. Same as with Gabriel. Not better than what we had but an obvious need was there and he ignored it till now at the cost of a bunch of points.

Secondly, going out and making transfers happen. I'm not sure if De Bryune or Sterling were technically 'available', or Martial for that matter.

Boskowski · 29-01-2016 07:48AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Because our defence is poor.

I hear people repeating that and also point out individuals. How come Arsenal are where they are then and how come they are third best in the league on goals conceded after Spurs and borefest United?

ronjo · 29-01-2016 08:10AM

emmetlego wrote: »

So here's the test:

Name any player, that was obvious, that we could have signed, for a reasonable amount of cash, that we needed and was better than we had?

Yeah? I know. Petr Cech! End of.

Schneiderlin was the one we missed out on...... Would be clear at the top imo if we had gone for him and got him.

Anyway, I dont really see the need to splash the cash overly this month.
Sanchez and Coquelin for Walcott/Ox and Flamini is a massive improvement and also we will have a great bench.

greendom · 29-01-2016 08:35AM

Boskowski wrote: »

I hear people repeating that and also point out individuals. How come Arsenal are where they are then and how come they are third best in the league on goals conceded after Spurs and borefest United?

More than the defence, our midfield has become very open recently. Chelsea, Liverpool and Stoke have all been able to make runs deep into our half without a challenge. Ramsey is too lax positionally and Flamini's a trier, just not up to it any more.

Hopefully Coq and Elneny will tighten up that area

JustTheOne · 29-01-2016 08:37AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Its ok we got a 3-3 draw at the mighty anfield.

There is a DVD soon I believe for resilience and self belief;)

Ok I'm definitely apologising for this one, way to many cans consumed, all I can do is apologise:(

L'prof · 29-01-2016 08:38AM

Boskowski wrote: »

I hear people repeating that and also point out individuals. How come Arsenal are where they are then and how come they are third best in the league on goals conceded after Spurs and borefest United?

Exactly and it could be a lot better too. Coquelin was a big part of that defence. When he got injured Arsenal had conceded 11 goals in 13 games, 0.85gpg. Since then they've conceded 11 goals in 10 games, 1.1gpg. That's almost a 30% increase. Massive that he's back at the weekend, just hope he's not rushed.

29-01-2016 08:42AM

greendom wrote: »

More than the defence, our midfield has become very open recently. Chelsea, Liverpool and Stoke have all been able to make runs deep into our half without a challenge. Ramsey is too lax positionally and Flamini's a trier, just not up to it any more.

Hopefully Coq and Elneny will tighten up that area

I have said it a million times before, but Ramsey needs a chance with a decent defensive midfield partner. I have no problem with him bombing forward and trying to do something, because he has been probably our second most potent goal scoring threat after Giroud (while Sanchez has been injured).

Flamini is rubbish, he goes forward into the box even though he will never score, and even when he is in a good defensive position, he can't break up the play. He puts an effort in, and is only a backup, so can't complain too much.

farna_boy · 29-01-2016 09:46AM

Basil3 wrote: »

I have said it a million times before, but Ramsey needs a chance with a decent defensive midfield partner. I have no problem with him bombing forward and trying to do something, because he has been probably our second most potent goal scoring threat after Giroud (while Sanchez has been injured).

Flamini is rubbish, he goes forward into the box even though he will never score, and even when he is in a good defensive position, he can't break up the play. He puts an effort in, and is only a backup, so can't complain too much.

I don't think that Ramsey is our second biggest goal scoring threat at all. In fact, my main criticism of him this year is that he seems to be looking for the glory/Coutinho type goal rather than playing someone else through who is clearly in a better position.

Case in Point

My other criticism of him is when he tries to play fancy flicks rather than simple passes. This was problem with him before and when he stopped doing them he became a much better player.

If he could stop doing bothe of these he would improve immensely in my eyes and I'm sure then the goals would start coming again.

greendom · 29-01-2016 09:48AM

Basil3 wrote: »

I have said it a million times before, but Ramsey needs a chance with a decent defensive midfield partner. I have no problem with him bombing forward and trying to do something, because he has been probably our second most potent goal scoring threat after Giroud (while Sanchez has been injured).

Flamini is rubbish, he goes forward into the box even though he will never score, and even when he is in a good defensive position, he can't break up the play. He puts an effort in, and is only a backup, so can't complain too much.

It's a difficult balancing act. The team needs him to make runs into the box and support and finish off attacking play but he also needs to deny the opposition space to attack. Maybe it's down to Flamini but Ramsey needs to be doing a little more of the latter and a little less of the former based on the last few matches.

29-01-2016 10:03AM

farna_boy wrote: »

I don't think that Ramsey is our second biggest goal scoring threat at all. In fact, my main criticism of him this year is that he seems to be looking for the glory/Coutinho type goal rather than playing someone else through who is clearly in a better position.

Case in Point

My other criticism of him is when he tries to play fancy flicks rather than simple passes. This was problem with him before and when he stopped doing them he became a much better player.

If he could stop doing bothe of these he would improve immensely in my eyes and I'm sure then the goals would start coming again.

Who would be ahead of Ramsey in terms of scoring goals? Giroud and? I agree he needs to stick to the basics though.

emmetlego · 29-01-2016 10:22AM

Alexis???

Pepe LeFrits · 29-01-2016 10:23AM

emmetlego wrote: »

So here's the test:

Name any player, that was obvious, that we could have signed, for a reasonable amount of cash, that we needed and was better than we had?

Yeah? I know. Petr Cech! End of.

Would rather have gone into the season with Schneiderlin, Milner, Clasie, Cabaye, Song or Kante over Flamini tbh

29-01-2016 11:18AM

emmetlego wrote: »

Alexis???

I'm talking over the last month while Alexis is injured. Theo hasn't stepped up, so I'd say Ramsey is most likely after Giroud.

Skylinehead · 29-01-2016 11:21AM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Would rather have gone into the season with Schneiderlin, Milner, Clasie, Cabaye, Song or Kante over Flamini tbh

I dunno, a lot of them are better than Flamini but they're pretty uninspiring.

Schneiderlin yes, although we had Coquelin so Wenger was never spending 25m on him.
Milners been pretty poor for Liverpool.
Clasie, same for Southampton. Plus he's had his own injury problems.
Cabaye would have been nice, I agree on that one.
Song we've tried at defensive midfield before, he was a disaster. Much better with someone covering him.
Kante, nobody had heard of him.

greendom · 29-01-2016 11:23AM

Basil3 wrote: »

I'm talking over the last month while Alexis is injured. Theo hasn't stepped up, so I'd say Ramsey is most likely after Giroud.

Maybe that's another problem. Ox and Walcott just aren't scoring enough goals and Ramsey is trying to take on that burden

emmetlego · 29-01-2016 11:47AM

Basil3 wrote: »

I'm talking over the last month while Alexis is injured. Theo hasn't stepped up, so I'd say Ramsey is most likely after Giroud.

Apologies, missed the "while Sanchez is injured" bit!

On a not totally unrelated issue, who are these 2 Nigerian wonder kids we're supposedly buying?

Gringo180 · 29-01-2016 11:57AM

wonski wrote: »

Martial

Just kidding.

There were no players available, unless someone was willing to pay over the odds for a player who was not worth it.

We all know it now.

Xerdan Shaqiri to Stoke 12 million
Yohan Cabaye to Crystal Palace 11 million
Dmitri Payet to West Ham 11 million

Just a few players off the top of my head that were available and we would of easily got and would of improved on what we had.

Luckily this is the worse Prem Lge season since it has started or we would be miles off the top. I know injuries dont help but this happens every season to us so it should be expected. 2 signings in 4 transfer windows now, for a club challenging for there first title in 10 years and a club that charges the highest ticket prices, its laughable how there able to get away with it. Wengers loyalty to average players is whats holding the club back and unless he changes I cant see us winning another title under him.

emmetlego · 29-01-2016 12:00PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/arsenal-will-make-no-more-signings-in-january-says-wenger-1.2515131
Ah well...

Bobby Baccala · 29-01-2016 12:02PM

Wenger is too much of a gent for his own good. Needs to be ruthless and start getting rid of some of the dead wood. Flamini, Rosicky and Arteta to name a few. All good players in their day but completely past it now, This has been a problem for years.

Gringo180 · 29-01-2016 12:03PM

Boskowski wrote: »

I hear people repeating that and also point out individuals. How come Arsenal are where they are then and how come they are third best in the league on goals conceded after Spurs and borefest United?

We have conceded 21 goals in 23 games. Near a goal a game. Its dreadful stuff on paper and even worse when you visually look at some of our defensive performance. Sparta Prague and Sheff Wed put a combined total of 8 goals past us in 2 games. I remember when we used to only concede 15/16 goals in a whole Prem Lge season.

Gringo180 · 29-01-2016 12:06PM

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Wenger is too much of a gent for his own good. Needs to be ruthless and start getting rid of some of the dead wood. Flamini, Rosicky and Arteta to name a few. All good players in their day but completely past it now, This has been a problem for years.

You can add Gibbs, Walcott and Mertesacker to that. Oxlade Chamberlain isnt far behind that list either.

Bobby Baccala · 29-01-2016 12:26PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

We have conceded 21 goals in 23 games. Near a goal a game. Its dreadful stuff on paper and even worse when you visually look at some of our defensive performance. Sparta Prague and Sheff Wed put a combined total of 8 goals past us in 2 games. I remember when we used to only concede 15/16 goals in a whole Prem Lge season.

Prague? Don't you mean Zagreb?

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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