Peyton Manning Accused of HGH Use

D9Male · 29-12-2015 01:53PM

I don't doubt that most of the lads we watch on Sundays are on PED's. I am a big cycling fan, and it bothers me that people associayte cycling with drugs...In my view if the NFL, FIFA or tennis federations had as serious an anti-doping code, there would be scandals ahoy.

Given Peyton is an all-time great, the news is not a shock. Howevere, the evidence is very flimsy at face value.

Son Of A Vidic · 29-12-2015 03:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I guess the Pats caught cheating yet again was always going to be a bigger story because it's about an entire organisation with a certain...track record. But again, that's been done to death elsewhere, this thread is about an individual.

Since you brought it up, who was caught cheating again? All we know is that a ball boy took a piss and allegedly achieved what is physically impossible to do. All we then witnessed was an attack on Brady. An attack that was not only completely unsubstantiated and devoid of facts. But the report at it's heart was ripped apart by a Federal judge and thrown out of court. So what are you raving about track records for? What track record? The only track record we've seen since 2000 is success and dominance. Followed in equal measure by small mindedness and pettiness. But then again, greatness can have that effect on people. And yes this doesn't belong in this thread, but since you're stirring it up, then expect a justifiable response.

And on the subject of harking back to the past. Let me remind you of the character at the centre of this thread. Peyton Manning sexually assaulted a woman back in 1996 and it was all conveniently buried. Peyton then had to give his victim some hush money to bury the sordid affair. And he still ends up the 1st round draft pick, when the likes of Cam Newton had questions marks over him because of a stolen laptop. But then again, Cam didn't have Archie Manning as his Dad, coupled with his powerful NFL connections.

Since quite a few here became AF fans long after 1996, here's a link to give a summary of the assault.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1486872/peyton-manning-sex-scandal-largely-forgotten-even-with-a-witness/

Looking at that and how it was silenced and then looking at the muted sporting media response to the HGH documentary. It contrast dramatically with the exaggerated media overreactions we saw not so long ago. And all over very minor variations in ball pressure which have no impact on a game. So I think it is perfectly valid to draw a comparison, that highlights the hypocrisy between both reactions. Funnily enough, I completely forgot about the Manning assault and only remembered it when I read it being referenced recently. But there's no doubt in my mind that if Brady or any other QB had of assaulted that woman, then their careers would be over and rightly so.

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely we can just focus on Manning and the cloud this casts on his career?

Yet ironically, here you are taking pot shots at another franchise. Maybe you should heed your own advice in your next post and just focus on Manning and all things Manning related, instead of just sniping.

Personally I had my own private suspicions of Manning's dramatic recovery from his surgery, his record breaking year in 2013 and then the shocking drop off in form once HGH testing was introduced last year. Of course one isn't going to start a thread based merely upon private suspicions. But the recent documentary has now made this a topic of public debate.

helimachoptor · 29-12-2015 05:14PM

This is about Manning, please lets not turn it into a reason to bash to the Patriots.

As usual, any more off topic posts will be deleted, multiple breaches will lead to a ban

Billy86 · 29-12-2015 05:59PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

These races are run of the mill races in cycling - Armstrong won the Tour de France seven times after cancer.

To suggest he was anything other than a half decent cyclist early in his career is turning reality on its head.

I don't follow cycling myself, but how could the World Championships be 'run of the mill'?

Hazys · 29-12-2015 06:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I guess the Pats caught cheating yet again was always going to be a bigger story because it's about an entire organisation with a certain...track record. But again, that's been done to death elsewhere, this thread is about an individual. Surely we can just focus on Manning and the cloud this casts on his career?

The Patriots caught cheating again :rolleyes:

The Patriots have been caught "cheating" as much as any other team in the league (http://yourteamcheats.com) but since the Patriots win and winning gains you enemies, people in the media push the narrative and the people who don't like the Patriots lap it up.

Honestly i don't care if Manning used HGH really, its rampant in the sport and imo it should be allowed under regulated rules as its never going away and the testing will never be sufficient enough to eliminate it. 90% of Pats players are probably on HGH just like the rest of the league.

My problem is how the media and the public have handled the two stories. The reactions to each story has been night and day. ESPN barely posted the Manning story and everybody is coming out defending Manning when the story is more than a little dodgy. Compare that to Deflategate, every body came out to pile on Brady, accusing him of more cheating from bugging locker rooms to warm gatorade and ESPN posting a million articles a day and tons of unverified accusations.

Hell Peter King who also posted the 11 out of 12 balls tweet, came out today and said the stories are not comparable because Manning didn't gain a competitive advantage from HGH use while Brady did by deflating footballs

He also said he believes Manning did nothing wrong, while Brady who went to court under oath is not believable. I'm not making this up, its starts at the 5 min mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zw-2WZ2ZaY Chris Mortenson also said Al Jeezera are not a credible source yet posting the erroneous 11 out of 12 tweet from his source was no issue.

I do understand that this thread is not about Deflate Gate but to be fair the complete opposite reactions to the controversies of the two HOF QBs of our generation is a major talking point. This is my last post on the DeflateGate in this thread tho as its not the main story but its definitely a credible side story.

Billy86 · 29-12-2015 06:07PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I find his very dramatic drop off in his performance since the introduction of HGH testing, to be quite suspicious. I can't remember any QB deteriorating so rapidly from the kind of performance high we witnessed in 2013. To the dramatic collapse we then saw last season and into this one. Farve didn't retire because he suddenly became a crap QB overnight. He retired because he couldn't take the big hits anymore, the concussions or the memory loss he was increasingly suffering from. No QB was ever hit as much as Farve and if he protected himself as well as Manning has, the guy could still be playing. So for me, Manning's drop off in form is certainly atypical and possibly indicative of a enforced change to his pharmaceutical regime. One that has had a sudden and very detrimental effect on his performance.

I reckon there's got to be some truth behind this story, and the timing of Manning's drop off is a very big part of that, but Favre also fell off a cliff himself.

2009: 363 of 531 (68.4%) for 4,202yds (7.9ypa), 33 TDs, 7 INTs, 107.2 QBR
2010: 217 of 358 (60.6%) for 2,509yds (7.0ypa), 11 TDs, 19 INTs, 69.9 QBR

He was benched for the last three games of his career behind Joe Webb, a 6th round rookie project at the time who is now essentially a 'trick player' with the Panthers that basically never sees the field for them (I think he's touched the ball once all season). And had Favre started those three games, he would have got to retire on 300 consecutive starts for his career.

Jolly Red Giant · 29-12-2015 06:21PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I don't follow cycling myself, but how could the World Championships be 'run of the mill'?

The world championship is a one day road race that favours the sprinters - it is very rare for an elite cyclist to win the world championship.

Jolly Red Giant · 29-12-2015 06:27PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I reckon there's got to be some truth behind this story, and the timing of Manning's drop off is a very big part of that, but Favre also fell off a cliff himself.

Age catches up with everyone - and with elite players the drop off tends to be dramatic if they stay trying to play the game too long.

C.M. is just using this stuff about Manning to swipe back at all those who have criticised the antics of the Pats organisation over the years and because of the suggestion that Manning rivals Brady - the realty is that if Brady hangs on too long we will see a dramatic drop off in his performance as well (but dare anyone suggest that it might be because of some allegations that Brady was using something - C.M. will have a canary at the thought).

JCTO · 29-12-2015 07:01PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Age catches up with everyone - and with elite players the drop off tends to be dramatic if they stay trying to play the game too long.

I actually think had Manning not injured his throwing shoulder he could have gone longer and performances not dropped dramtically. I actually believed Pre injury him and Brady would last into their 40's still playing at a decent level. Once injuries happen at that age it all changes. Look at Favre that ankle injury he took with the Vikings in the playoffs finished him. He then did his AC Joint in during his final season and that was the nail in the coffin for him.

Sure Brady will decline like any player at that age but staying healthy is key and avoiding surgeries and major injuries is a must. QBs today are protected much more than Favre was back in his day. Not unbelievable for a guy early 40s to still hang in there in his early 40s if he avoided major injury.

Alfred Borden · 29-12-2015 07:17PM

Al Jazeera already backing down :pac: Hopefully Peyton sues them now.

https://twitter.com/gavrithebruce/status/681821837093896193

eagle eye · 29-12-2015 07:53PM

That seems more like them clarifying their position than backing down. They are saying that HGH packages were repeatedly sent to Ashley Manning.

How is that backing down? They are just giving people the details and saying 'make your own mind up'.

Inquitus · 29-12-2015 08:54PM

eagle eye wrote: »

That seems more like them clarifying their position than backing down. They are saying that HGH packages were repeatedly sent to Ashley Manning.

How is that backing down? They are just giving people the details and saying 'make your own mind up'.

Agreed, I watched that interview and its absolutely not backing down, they double down behind their story and clarify some points.

LuckyLloyd · 29-12-2015 09:46PM

A professional athlete recovering from a serious injury should be using HGH imo - it's a substance with pretty magical properties. I couldn't care less. Use is rife across the NFL, doper sport. I assume they're all using various banned substances and I have no problem with it. That this story has turned out to be bogus is beside the point - the media circus of 'pretend everyone is innocent and ostracise those who are caught' is pure nonsense.

Inquitus · 29-12-2015 09:50PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

A professional athlete recovering from a serious injury should be using HGH imo - it's a substance with pretty magical properties. I couldn't care less. Use is rife across the NFL, doper sport. I assume they're all using various banned substances and I have no problem with it. That this story has turned out to be bogus is beside the point - the media circus of 'pretend everyone is innocent and ostracise those who are caught' is pure nonsense.

This story hasn't turned out to be bogus, even WADA have weighed in and said it should be investigated. That said I agree with you, doping is ingrained in US Sports and its unfair Manning should we brought front and center when we know they are all at it.

Whosthis · 29-12-2015 10:06PM

Inquitus wrote: »

This story hasn't turned out to be bogus, even WADA have weighed in and said it should be investigated. That said I agree with you, doping is ingrained in US Sports and its unfair Manning should we brought front and center when we know they are all at it.

Manning is a marquee name which puts him front and center of any accusations, he's also a religious zealot and is seen as an all American good guy which would make a fall from grace all the more newsworthy.

30-12-2015 08:35AM

helimachoptor wrote: »

This is about Manning, please lets not turn it into a reason to bash to the Patriots.

As usual, any more off topic posts will be deleted, multiple breaches will lead to a ban

Hazys wrote: »

The Patriots caught cheating again :rolleyes:

The Patriots have been caught "cheating" as much as any other team in the league (http://yourteamcheats.com) but since the Patriots win and winning gains you enemies, people in the media push the narrative and the people who don't like the Patriots lap it up.

Honestly i don't care if Manning used HGH really, its rampant in the sport and imo it should be allowed under regulated rules as its never going away and the testing will never be sufficient enough to eliminate it. 90% of Pats players are probably on HGH just like the rest of the league.

My problem is how the media and the public have handled the two stories. The reactions to each story has been night and day. ESPN barely posted the Manning story and everybody is coming out defending Manning when the story is more than a little dodgy. Compare that to Deflategate, every body came out to pile on Brady, accusing him of more cheating from bugging locker rooms to warm gatorade and ESPN posting a million articles a day and tons of unverified accusations.

Hell Peter King who also posted the 11 out of 12 balls tweet, came out today and said the stories are not comparable because Manning didn't gain a competitive advantage from HGH use while Brady did by deflating footballs He also said he believes Manning did nothing wrong, while Brady who went to court under oath is not believable. I'm not making this up, its starts at the 5 min mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zw-2WZ2ZaY Chris Mortenson also said Al Jeezera are not a credible source yet posting the erroneous 11 out of 12 tweet from his source was no issue.

I do understand that this thread is not about Deflate Gate but to be fair the complete opposite reactions to the controversies of the two HOF QBs of our generation is a major talking point. This is my last post on the DeflateGate in this thread tho as its not the main story but its definitely a credible side story.

Just to clarify the rule, Pats were wronged stuff can stand (and that's how the Pats came into the thread at all) but Pats were wrong stuff will be deleted?

Fr Tod Umptious · 30-12-2015 09:58AM

Whosthis wrote: »

Manning is a marquee name which puts him front and center of any accusations, he's also a religious zealot and is seen as an all American good guy which would make a fall from grace all the more newsworthy.

Is he ?

In all the years I honestly cannot recall Manning thanking our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ for anything, in the manner of which Warner or Tebow would.

helimachoptor · 30-12-2015 11:58AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just to clarify the rule, Pats were wronged stuff can stand (and that's how the Pats came into the thread at all) but Pats were wrong stuff will be deleted?

It will stay as it was posted before mod instruction.

Let's try to keep this about manning without it always having to to back to the Pats as the yardstick

Vanolder · 30-12-2015 04:52PM

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Al Jazeera already backing down :pac: Hopefully Peyton sues them now.

https://twitter.com/gavrithebruce/status/681821837093896193

Backing down???

HigginsJ · 30-12-2015 05:00PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Is he ?

In all the years I honestly cannot recall Manning thanking our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ for anything, in the manner of which Warner or Tebow would.

Really, Jesus is mentioned and you choose Tebow and Warner....................... look at what you have done!!

Billy86 · 30-12-2015 05:14PM

I could be wrong, and I know he is extremely religious, but I don't recall Warner mentioning it all too often? Wilson and Tebow on the other hand...

HigginsJ · 30-12-2015 05:24PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I could be wrong, and I know he is extremely religious, but I don't recall Warner mentioning it all too often? Wilson and Tebow on the other hand...

Had to check it myself there, check out his post SB speech.

JCTO · 30-12-2015 07:23PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Is he ?

In all the years I honestly cannot recall Manning thanking our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ for anything, in the manner of which Warner or Tebow would.

Apparently he is private about it but he does run Christian Youth Camps and is heavily involved with his Church and Christian related stuff.

Here is his views from his book 2nd paragrph explains really why we wouldn't know:

Like my dad, I make it a point when I speak to groups to talk about priorities, and when it’s schoolkids, I rank those priorities as: faith, family, and education, then football. For me generally it had always been the big four: faith, family, friends, and football. And I tell all of them that as important as football is to me, it can never be higher than fourth. My faith has been number one since I was thirteen years old and heard from the pulpit on a Sunday morning in New Orleans a simple question: “If you died today, are you one hundred percent sure you’d go to heaven?” Cooper was there and Eli [Peyton’s two brothers] but it didn’t hit them at the time the way it did me. It was a big church, and I felt very small, but my heart was pounding. The minister invited those who would like that assurance through Jesus Christ to raise their hands, and I did. Then he invited us to come forward, to take a stand, and my heart really started pounding. And from where we sat, it looked like a mile to the front.

But I got up and did it. And I committed my life to Christ, and that faith has been most important to me ever since. Some players get more vocal about it—the Reggie Whites, for example—and some point to Heaven after scoring a touchdown and praise God after games. I have no problem with that. But I don’t do it, and don’t think it makes me any less a Christian. I just want my actions to speak louder, and I don’t want to be more of a target for criticism than I already am. Somebody sees you drinking a beer, which I do, and they think, “Hmmmm, Peyton says he’s this, that, or the other, and there he is drinking alcohol. What’s that all about?”

Christians drink beer. So do non-Christians. Christians also make mistakes, just as non-Christians do. My faith doesn’t make me perfect, it makes me forgiven, and provides me the assurance I looked for half my life ago. I think God answered our prayers with Cooper, and that was a test of our faith. But I also think I’ve been blessed—having so little go wrong in my life, and being given so much. I pray every night, sometimes long prayers about a lot of things and a lot of people, but I don’t talk about it or brag about it because that’s between God and me, and I’m no better than anybody else in God’s sight.

But I consider myself fortunate to be able to go to Him for guidance, and I hope (and pray) I don’t do too many things that displease Him before I get to Heaven myself. I believe, too, that life is much better and freer when you’re committed to God in that way. I find being with others whose faith is the same has made me stronger. J.C. Watts and Steve Largent, for example. They’re both in Congress now. We had voluntary pregame chapel at Tennessee, and I attend chapel every Sunday with players on the team in Indianapolis. I have spoken to church youth groups, and at Christian high schools. And then simply as a Christian, and not as good a one as I’d like to be.

How do I justify football in the context of “love your enemy?” I say to kids, well, football is most definitely a “collision sport,” and I can’t deny it jars your teeth and at the extreme can break your bones. But I’ve never seen it as a “violent game,” there are rules to prevent that, and I know I don’t have to hate anybody on the other side to play as hard as I can within the rules. I think you’d have to get inside my head to appreciate it, but I do love football. And, yes, I’d play it for nothing if that was the only way, even now when I’m no longer a child. I find no contradiction in football and my faith.

Ah, but do I “pray for victory?” No, except as a generic thing. I pray to keep both teams injury free, and personally, that I use whatever talent I have to the best of my ability. But I don’t think God really cares about who wins football games, except as winning might influence the character of some person or group. Besides. If the Colts were playing the Cowboys and I prayed for the Colts and Troy Aikman prayed for the Cowboys, wouldn’t that make it a standoff?

I do feel this way about it. Dad says it can take twenty years to make a reputation, and five minutes to ruin it. I want my reputation to be able to make it through whatever five-minute crises I run into. And I’m a lot more comfortable knowing where my help is.

Amerika · 30-12-2015 07:37PM

I really want to trust Manning on this, and recent reports indicate Peyton is to be believed.

But in the back of my head, and with all the money on the line, there's always this... “Remember the last time an athlete was accused of taking prohibited performance enhancing drugs and it turned out to be untrue? Me neither.”

Jolly Red Giant · 30-12-2015 08:28PM

Who gives a fiddlers over Manning's religious beliefs. He's from Louisianna so it would hardly be surprising if he was a bible basher. In fact it is surprising that it isn't far more prevalent among NFL players - there are many other sports where it is far more in your face (my daughter follows American gymnastics and the top gymnasts never shut up about it).

Now I have no idea if Manning used HGH - however I do not agree with hanging the guy based on what appear to be dubious accusations from AJ. Unlike many of the other elite athletes who pleaded innocence only to be shown to be lying there has never been any suggestion or indication that Manning has been using PEDs (with others there were well know instances where they did fail drugs tests only for the tests to be suppressed or 'lost'). Absolutely have a full investigation - but until such an investigation proves that Manning has been taking the stuff I don't think he should be thrown under the bus (primarily by people who have never liked the guy despite his talent and fantastic career).

JCTO · 30-12-2015 08:49PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Who gives a fiddlers over Manning's religious beliefs. He's from Louisianna so it would hardly be surprising if he was a bible basher. In fact it is surprising that it isn't far more prevalent among NFL players - there are many other sports where it is far more in your face (my daughter follows American gymnastics and the top gymnasts never shut up about it).

A good point was made as to why it would be newsworthy and it was mentioned he is very religious and it isn't something most knew due to the fact as Manning says he isn't vocal about it.

Hardly a Bible Basher to be fair to Manning as he isn't going around forcing his beliefs on people in fact the exact opposite.

Depending on who you ask it is relevant because many believe Manning to be an all round good guy who wouldn't do such a thing.

eagle eye · 30-12-2015 08:50PM

Yeah I really don't care about this at all. It's not like he was the first or will be the last NFL player to use HGH and that is if he did at all.

Jolly Red Giant · 30-12-2015 11:07PM

For me the most interesting thing that has happened this week is not the allegations against Mannng but the fact that Kubiak announced that Osweiler was the starting QB for next week at the same time Manning declared that he was fit enough to play. Last week Kubiak didn't announce that Os was the starter until Wednesday - this week it happened minutes after the game against the Bengals.

eagle eye · 31-12-2015 03:09AM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

For me the most interesting thing that has happened this week is not the allegations against Mannng but the fact that Kubiak announced that Osweiler was the starting QB for next week at the same time Manning declared that he was fit enough to play. Last week Kubiak didn't announce that Os was the starter until Wednesday - this week it happened minutes after the game against the Bengals.

I don't think those things are related though, I think Kubiak's only thoughts are about winning the next game and he is doing what he feels is best in that regard.

bruschi · 31-12-2015 01:26PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah I really don't care about this at all. It's not like he was the first or will be the last NFL player to use HGH and that is if he did at all.

Agree with that. The NFL generally doesn't give a crap about the usage of it and media generally don't make a big deal about players using it, so I don't see this being any different. If he did do it, it wouldn't change any of his legacy at all in my opinion.

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