Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

Pro. F wrote: »

I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed in the thread -

Van Gaal: "The question is would Luis Suarez or Sergio Aguero score if they were here?" Van Gaal told BBC Radio Manchester.

"That is a question mark. You never know. I think they would, though."
Van Gaal, 64, added: "We've created enough chances to score, so that was not the problem.

"The most important thing is you dominate, create and you finish. Football is about scoring goals. The first two basic aspects of football we have done," Van Gaal added.

"When you don't finish from a metre in front of an empty goal, you cannot say anything more. You have to finish and that's the only problem we have. We played very well especially in the second half - but you have to finish.

"The goals are coming. That is my strong belief."

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If only he had Suarez or Aguero and didn't have to make do with a chump like Martial.

I'm not too surprised because he isn't saying anything as controversial as you make it out to be.

Even if he had, Suarez and Aguero are two of the best strikers in the world, at their peak with years of top flight proven experience. Martial is guy who just turned 20 who has tremendous potential but like any 20 year old he will have dips and peaks in form until he builds up his experience in a new league with a new club in a new country. Acknowledging that is not dismissing Martial as a chump.

Sand wrote: »

I'm not too surprised because he isn't saying anything as controversial as you make it out to be.

Even if he had, Suarez and Aguero are two of the best strikers in the world, at their peak with years of top flight proven experience. Martial is guy who just turned 20 who has tremendous potential but like any 20 year old he will have dips and peaks in form until he builds up his experience in a new league with a new club in a new country. Acknowledging that is not dismissing Martial as a chump.

This argument would work if Martial had been playing poorly, but he hasn't. He's been excellent playing at CF, but he's been forced to live off scraps because the attack is so dysfunctional.

Edit: I know that Van Gaal wasn't calling Martial a chump. The reason I used the word was to point out that while Van Gaal doesnt have Suarez or Aguero to work with, it's not like the team are struggling in attack because there's a chump playing up front.

Rooney in a spot of bother again.

Pro. F wrote: »

If only he had Suarez or Aguero and didn't have to make do with a chump like Martial.

Have discussed this myself.

Firstly, I would argue we are not good at creating in the first place.

Secondly, I would argue if your tactics require one of the very best forwards in the world in order to score goals, the tactics are the problem. The vast majority of teams in football score goals without having Suarez or Aguero, or even a player close to their level.

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Interesting. I haven't seen the last few Utd games. Has martial gone from hero to villain?

he explained following this that he wasn't calling Martial a chup himself - merely pointing out that saying we'd be scoring if we had Suarez or Aguero is making Martial (and Rooney) out to be chumps.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Poor execution and technique has hindered the goals being scored.

Fellaini should have scored, Martial got blocked and his second chance wasn't clear cut, he either put it in the corner first time or took a touch and possibly gets closed down.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah, so poor execution and technique.

The most clear cut chance I can think of from west ham is the one where martial scuffs it and swings out wards past the post.
I would be fairly confident of Rooney, rvp, saurez, aguero or any top striker to score that.

It's all a bit pointless as well becuase they may not has been in that position.

Does he scuff it though ? Looks to me he tries to hit it first time with the inside of his boot, makes a decent connection but it swerves right instead of left.
I don't thinks its a simple a chance as your making it out to be. I certainly wouldn't be confident of Rooney scoring.

from reading here, on twitter, red cafe, red issue and on a private United forum that im part of, there definitely is a lower sense of expectation than normal tonight, i would estimate about 2/3rd think we will go out tonight which is virtually unheard of.


can we go through? of course we can but its going to be absolute torture and the chances of us going out are very very strong

i wont be calling for LVGs head if we go out by the way, as it wont serve us any purpose to have somebody like Giggs coming in for the rest of the season unless they could persuade Carlo to come in - eitherway, LVG is not going anywhere anytime soon.

to be in this suituation though needing probably a win to qualify, is very very disappointing and should never have materialised.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

from reading here, on twitter, red cafe, red issue and on a private United forum that im part of, there definitely is a lower sense of expectation than normal tonight, i would estimate about 2/3rd think we will go out tonight which is virtually unheard of.

I think we will win but its no real surprise if many think otherwise.

We struggle to score goals because we have no consistent attacking capability, goals come on an ad-hoc basis rather than as the result of a planned, controlled, attacking strategy, and this affects our ability to get goals when they are most needed.

We don't score much as a rule, which means when we really need a goal we can't create one, because you don't switch that attacking mentality on and off like a tap.

I made this point weeks ago before our easy run and the number of points dropped since bear it out. I also said it would hurt us most in the crunch games and tonight could quite easily be the perfect example, draws keep us ticking over in top four in the league but aren't good enough in the cups, so its games like this that our play will really hurt us.

This game could be a watershed for Van Gaal, the game that puts his squad planning, his player management and his tactical approach all into sharp focus. If we go out of the CL tonight because of our lack of squad depth and our inability to have any consistent attacking threat then the blame lies with one person only, Van Gaal, he is the one that created this situation.

On the other hand, Wolfsburg are actually pretty **** so we will probably get away with it.

bangkok wrote: »

was just looking back on through of some of my posts, it was only 4 months ago I was saying we should be after Stones during the summer and I was shot down (a lot) 4 months later I would reckon now the majority on here would take him in a second.

Give me Ross Barkley and Lukaku first!
Agree with you though, looks a top young centre half.