Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

bucketybuck wrote: »

Some amount of filler in what is only a 19 man squad.

Looks like either Varela or McNair will have to play. Neither fill me with confidence.

He may go Young at right back which has its own risks but at least he brings experience. Darmian on the left with Smalling and Blind in the middle or else a back 3 *shudders* of McNair, Smalling and Blind with Young and Darmian as wing backs. Either way I'm more worried about how we do further up the pitch, injuries aside we are doing kinda well at not conceding goals.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

you and 4 or 5 random lads on an internet forum isnt "alot"?

United are regressing right now under LVG, the football is the worst in 3 decades and the discontent amongest match going fans is higher than it ever was under Moyes. People felt sorry for Moyes, there is alot of genuine dislike now for LVG and the vast majority of fans would be happy if he left tomorrow.

LVG hasnt progressed us, he has just shifted our problems elsewhere.

I love when you speak on behalf of the vast majority of the fanbase you know.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

You have some agenda against lvg.

you say this as if i am the only one. the man is being critiscised more than David Moyes, if that doesnt tell you something, i dont know what ever will.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

You are so far from the reality of what is going on with our club, it is unbelievable.

best defense and possession sounds like a liverpool fan mentality over the last 5 years. id be pretty sure if you asked 1000 united fans coming out of Old Trafford last Saturday, if they felt LVG was making progress, 800-900 of them would say no.

but sure, ill let you have your virtual high 5's and thanks on boards, sure thats all that matters eh?

you are one of the most smalltime united fans ive ever some accross, we could be in the bottom 3 and heading for the championship and you would still be saying nothing was wrong.

Take a step back, your just making a fool of yourself at this point.

No I'm in touch with reality and can see the progress. You can't look past each result, its a shame you so shortsighted.

best defense and possession sounds like a liverpool fan mentality

??? Since when have Liverpool had this to boast about, your resorting to calling me a liverpool fan? are you for real? Thats makes no sense.

d be pretty sure if you asked 1000 united fans coming out of Old Trafford last Saturday, if they felt LVG was making progress, 800-900 of them would say no.

Would the ybe 800-900 of your friends? This is a survey going on in your head. Its not in touch with the real world.

we could be in the bottom 3 and heading for the championship and you would still be saying nothing was wrong.

What? you've lost it. Nobody in their right mind would think that and we a million miles away from that. You need to take some deep breaths

StringerBell wrote: »

One could argue anything sure.

A total overhaul of the squad was required in lots of peoples opinions.

Why would you think his squad building has been average! You think the likes of Martial, Shaw, Memphis, Morgan, Darmian, Herrera etc are all average/below average?

Good young players with the potential to become very good or great players? I just don't subscribe to that logic, his squad building is coming along very nicely. His squad management short term may not be ideal but he has always said he is a long term manager so the club knew what they were getting in to.

The core of the squad is a young one now, with great potential and with a couple of additions it will be a great squad who will possibly be in place for years to come and in a position to challenge for titles both domestically and in europe.

The majority of the deadwood has been moved on and replaced with better and most of the time younger models. Criticise the playing style all you want, I find it very hard to see how his squad building would be average though when looking at what that phrase actually means! He is building a very strong squad

He has signed some good player. I dont think he should have let players like Nani, Chicha, Welbeck, Rafa, Evans go until he signed a replacements. The turnover is higher than it needs to be and there are still gapps in the squad after two summers.

Your Airbag wrote: »

Is the higest avg possession and defense not good enough for you?

Is that a serious question? Is that you Louis? How big is the trophy for highest average possession?

What do I want? I want the club to actually play to its potential. I want the manager to actually use the players he has effectively, I want the manager to actually manage the players he has, at some point to get good performances from the players he has. I want the manager to recognise that rigid positional play and scared defensiveness will not win leagues, that predictable attacking play relying on individual talent is too easily countered, hence the parade of goalless games.

You don't hear me talking about winning the league or about current league position because I have always said that good performance comes first and the results will follow. Thats why in the short term people bleating about us being in top four or going top for a weekend are missing the point, what we are doing on the field will ultimately be unsuccessful. But it doesn't need to be that way, we had the most money, we had the best players, but we decided to play like we didn't. I want the manager to act like we do.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

thats a pretty shocking squad for a game we need to win. theres a complete lack of quality there, it a squad filled with either players, players completely off form or young, unproven kids.

can see the LVG fanboys with their excuses already if we go out - "its not LVGs fault we have all these injuries" or " we were never going to win it anyway".

Why does it have to be so black and white?

I myself am utterly fed up and bored of the football at the moment BUT I can see what is trying to be done. The defense had been leaking goals for a decent period of time and had been costing us goals so I can understand shoring things up. Take out RVP for his 2/3rds of a season goal scoring and it's been a long time since the club were an attacking menace. Fergie was a bloody wizard.

I want to see swashbuckling football and I'd be more than happy to see LVG go at the end of the season but in an ideal world he should be afforded his 3rd season before bowing out. However if Pep or Ancelotti were available and willing in 2016 it may be prudent to move for them then as neither may be in 2017.

My understanding of what LVG is trying to do is to construct a new team and he's focused on not conceding to begin with. While doing that he's brought in a couple of young players with buckets of potential in Martial and Memphis. With each passing month and year they'll bed further into the team/squad. I really think 2 world class attacking outlets are needed and surely will be signed when it's possible to be signed.

In saying all that some of the selections have been baffling and we were rubbing out hands in glee at our Schmidfield over the summer. Bastian is great but he's probably our later season Scholes/Giggs and Morgan hasn't actually played all that well a lot of the time but he I'm sure will bed in. A linkman would be ideal here.

If such reports about Rooney are true (big if) then maybe he's finally being phased out of the team, for a while at least to see if he'll buck up.

What we have now I feel is a squad that's capable of playing to a certain European standard and of being able to more than mix it on the domestic front. What's left is that sparkle in an attacking sense. If that doesn't come in the next 2 windows then I'll be at the front of pitchforked mob.

Everything just isn't quite as clear cut as that and I never thought I'd really try and see reason with how things have shaped up so far but here we are :pac:

I feel George Harrrison makes my argument better than I could and in quite a jazzy manner:

"But it's gonna take money
A whole lot of spending money
It's gonna take plenty of money
To do it right child

It's gonna take time
A whole lot of precious time
It's gonna take patience and time, um
To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it
To do it right child"

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It's hard to know what to think for me personally.

You see i know the Football is poor, I mean it's boring and we never look like scoring more then goal or 2 per game.

But on other hand I do see improvements as a team. We look more balanced then last year, it's in final 3rd we look slow and out of ideas

Getting knocked out of CL is red X straight away, but Im not going to want LVG gone till end of season.

I think he deserves till then, but CL football us a minimum

as i said yesterday, the football cant get any worse so at least thats a positive - maybe Memphis will have a great second half of the season, Rooney and Mata could finally get going...if those 3 things happen, then we have a chance but at the moment Rooney and mata look a shadow of themselves.

we still have a great chance of making the top 4, even though others around us are scoring more goals and playing much better than us.