Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

Soups123 · 02-12-2015 10:12PM

On a more positive note, it's December and we are only 2pts off top. We are more than capable of getting a run going in a league that has no team that wants to take it by the horns

greendom · 03-12-2015 12:02AM

Santi's injury is of course really unfortunate but at least it provides Ramsey with an opportunity to prove his worth in the centre. Pray to God he doesn't pick up an injury.

03-12-2015 02:48AM

greendom wrote: »

Santi's injury is of course really unfortunate but at least it provides Ramsey with an opportunity to prove his worth in the centre. Pray to God he doesn't pick up an injury.

Assuming that he'll play a winger on the right.

Marty McFly · 03-12-2015 08:27AM

Soups123 wrote: »

On a more positive note, it's December and we are only 2pts off top. We are more than capable of getting a run going in a league that has no team that wants to take it by the horns

Problem is we won't get a run going if our players keep dropping like flies. Can't believe we now have two of our best players from the last year simultaneously out :mad:

When is Wilshere back? At this stage it feels silly asking that question much like it was to ask the same question about Diaby.

emmetlego · 03-12-2015 08:56AM

Marty McFly wrote: »

When is Wilshere back? At this stage it feels silly asking that question much like it was to ask the same question about Diaby.

13th of this month according to physio room. Oddly, they still have no date down for Santi. I'd imagine the journos are speculating on his injury!

JustTheOne · 03-12-2015 09:59AM

Soups123 wrote: »

On a more positive note, it's December and we are only 2pts off top. We are more than capable of getting a run going in a league that has no team that wants to take it by the horns

With Flamini and Ramsey in the centre?

Not likely lets be honest.

Marty McFly · 03-12-2015 10:03AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

With Flamini and Ramsey in the centre?

Not likely lets be honest.

If Wilshere comes back and stays fit it could be Ramsey and Wilshere which would give me a bit more of a positive outlook.

But the boots of Coq and Cazorla are hard to fill no matter how we look at it it's hard to see us pushing on to win the league now. Disheartening for it to be injuries holding us back time and time again. Baffling that they can't figure out the cause and solution for it.

wawaman · 03-12-2015 10:05AM

Marty McFly wrote: »

If Wilshere comes back and stays fit it could be Ramsey and Wilshere which would give me a bit more of a positive outlook.

But the boots of Coq and Cazorla are hard to fill no matter how we look at it it's hard to see us pushing on to win the league now. Disheartening for it to be injuries holding us back time and time again. Baffling that they can't figure out the cause and solution for it.

TBH injuries like the ones Coq, Santi & jack picked up cant be planned for, they were all impact injuries. Its the ones Ramsey, Ox & Theo pick up regularly that are the problem

Marty McFly · 03-12-2015 10:12AM

wawaman wrote: »

TBH injuries like the ones Coq, Santi & jack picked up cant be planned for, they were all impact injuries. Its the ones Ramsey, Ox & Theo pick up regularly that are the problem

Coq and Santi granted but Jack? He spends more time on the injury table than he does on the pitch.

Ramsey, Ox,Theo and now Welbeck who has had more time injured at Arsenal than he ever did at United.

There's 100% a problem there and I don't buy into its our style of football that causes it either. Whether it be nutrition,training, match prep somewhere along the line there doing something wrong.

emergingstar · 03-12-2015 10:27AM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Coq and Santi granted but Jack? He spends more time on the injury table than he does on the pitch.

Ramsey, Ox,Theo and now Welbeck who has had more time injured at Arsenal than he ever did at United.

There's 100% a problem there and I don't buy into its our style of football that causes it either. Whether it be nutrition,training, match prep somewhere along the line there doing something wrong.

It's a weird one though

There pumping millions into it and still not coming with a solution

The other side of the coin is were depending on these injured players every season

Marty McFly · 03-12-2015 10:32AM

emergingstar wrote: »

It's a weird one though

There pumping millions into it and still not coming with a solution

The other side of the coin is were depending on these injured players every season

It is weird I think the club much like the fans hoped the changes that have been made would be paying off by now but sadly that's not the case. It's baffling really as to why they can't seem to find the cause.

We are depending on these players but is buying more players the solution? I'm not so sure much like Welbeck would you just be buying more players to join our already over loaded medical room.

Need to cut it off at the root of the problem imo.

gosplan · 03-12-2015 10:42AM

Marty McFly wrote: »

It is weird I think the club much like the fans hoped the changes that have been made would be paying off by now but sadly that's not the case. It's baffling really as to why they can't seem to find the cause.

We are depending on these players but is buying more players the solution? I'm not so sure much like Welbeck would you just be buying more players to join our already over loaded medical room.

Need to cut it off at the root of the problem imo.

I agree with this.

No point in arguing about buying world class players when they can't be counted on.

I'd have our starting midfield and attack as

Coq
Santi
Rambo - Ozil - Sanchez
Walcott

1 fit player out of six and 1 just coming back.

Add to that Wilshire out, Welbeck out, Rosicky out, Kos out, Bellerin just coming back and out of form, Ox just coming back.

if we had signed Schneiderlin, he'd be like all the rest.

The only players we have that seem to be immmune to this are Mert, Giroud (apart from the broken leg), Cech.

Ken Shamrock · 03-12-2015 10:56AM

Let's not sign any good players because they'll just get injured...solid logic lads.

Marty McFly · 03-12-2015 11:06AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Let's not sign any good players because they'll just get injured...solid logic lads.

Hmmmmm that's not what I said.

I said we need to find the problems that are causing us to have our terrible injury record first otherwise we'll just end up in a perpetual circle without ever finding the solution..

We can't view more players as the solution to a constant problem.

Marty McFly · 03-12-2015 11:29AM

Ok I'll put it this way so we go out sign ten players for 100 million and sign up to massive outlays on long term contracts.

Fast forward 3 months and all ten players are out injured joining our already extensive injury list were does that leave us? Back at square one with the same old long term problem that we tried and failed to gloss over with a short term very costly fix.

I'm not saying don't sign players I'm saying our number one priority should be finding out why and the solution to that issue first and foremost over anything else otherwise we'll always have the same problem.

We currently have a squad capable of winning the league we just can't keep them fit.

gosplan · 03-12-2015 11:41AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Let's not sign any good players because they'll just get injured...solid logic lads.

You're deliberately missing the point

Ken Shamrock · 03-12-2015 11:49AM

gosplan wrote: »

I agree with this.

No point in arguing about buying world class players when they can't be counted on.

I'd have our starting midfield and attack as

Coq
Santi
Rambo - Ozil - Sanchez
Walcott

1 fit player out of six and 1 just coming back.

Add to that Wilshire out, Welbeck out, Rosicky out, Kos out, Bellerin just coming back and out of form, Ox just coming back.

if we had signed Schneiderlin, he'd be like all the rest.

The only players we have that seem to be immmune to this are Mert, Giroud (apart from the broken leg), Cech.

gosplan wrote: »

You're deliberately missing the point

Am I? Not every player we sign Is going to get injured, If you are suggesting that we don't sign any world class players because they'll just be injured, I'm merely pointing out that that's ridiculous.

gosplan · 03-12-2015 12:19PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Am I? Not every player we sign Is going to get injured, If you are suggesting that we don't sign any world class players because they'll just be injured, I'm merely pointing out that that's ridiculous.

So you've changed from paraphrasing 'let's not sign any good players....'

to

'if that's what you're suggesting'

When fit, our squad and bench is comparable to any in the premier league, but that's never actually the case because we have so many injuries to content with.

The solution to this problem is not to keep signing players. We actually have two good players for every position and loads of nice combinations or options that can compensate when we're short.

Of course, let's sign pogba or someone, that's a great idea. But it won't fix the biggest problem at the club.

emmetlego · 03-12-2015 12:37PM

What is the solution though folks?

Arsene brought in arguably THE most sought after medical team in world soccer by all accounts, and it's as bad, if not worse than ever.

Or are we really just unlucky?? They are the ones who prescribe diet, stretches etc etc, so it must be a gypsy curse at this stage... Like the Mayo gaelic football team!

March return for Santi : http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1

keano_afc · 03-12-2015 12:54PM

The only constant in all of this is Wenger. He buys diminutive players that break easily. He rushes back the ones that aren't ready. His training methods have been questioned. He overplays players because he wont buy or doesn't trust the alternative.

Ken Shamrock · 03-12-2015 12:58PM

keano_afc wrote: »

The only constant in all of this is Wenger. He buys diminutive players that break easily. He rushes back the ones that aren't ready. His training methods have been questioned. He overplays players because he wont buy or doesn't trust the alternative.

Stop talking sense. What we need to do Is buy less players and get more medical staff.

emmetlego · 03-12-2015 01:08PM

keano_afc wrote: »

The only constant in all of this is Wenger. He buys diminutive players that break easily. He rushes back the ones that aren't ready. His training methods have been questioned. He overplays players because he wont buy or doesn't trust the alternative.

diminutive players that break easily His last 4 purchases that are regular starters are Ozil, Sanchez, Cech and Gabriel. These do not break easy.

He rushes back the ones that aren't ready Can you prove that? Or are you just saying it because it fits the narrative? It's been commented by many (Henry included) that the players are totally under Forsyth's control medically, and that they are slower to come back than they were.

His training methods have been questioned. By who? He has coaching staff and medical staff that design the training. Again, when the injuries were rearing their damn ugly head again, this was discussed on Arseblog and TV, and ll stated that the training methods were not the issue.

He overplays players because he wont buy or doesn't trust the alternative This I agree with, he has a "type" of player (I suppose all managers do??) and he very rarely looks outside the box for the alternative. I think we can all agree that there was a dearth of real talent this summer transfer window.

Please, don't take this personal, it's just an observation on your post, that I happen to disagree with, as you made it sound like a statement of fact.

symbolic · 03-12-2015 01:12PM

emmetlego wrote: »

What is the solution though folks?

I can't imagine anyone here would have the solution. If they did they wouldn't be here

they'd be playing hardball with Arsenal!

Looking forward to the game on Saturday anyway, nice day of football it is too!

03-12-2015 01:48PM

keano_afc wrote: »

The only constant in all of this is Wenger. He buys diminutive players that break easily. He rushes back the ones that aren't ready. His training methods have been questioned. He overplays players because he wont buy or doesn't trust the alternative.

Was just gonna point that out. I don't think "diminutive" players are the issue, look at Welbeck. There's only one constant as you said.

wandatowell · 03-12-2015 01:49PM

Flamini/Arteta combination in the center is the stuff of nightmares

03-12-2015 01:51PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Flamini/Arteta combination in the center is the stuff of nightmares

One to get sent off. Arteta's so slow that every attempt to win the ball is a potential yellow card.

Marty McFly · 03-12-2015 01:56PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Stop talking sense. What we need to do Is buy less players and get more medical staff.

Either you're a bit thick or trying to troll either way it's not working for you.

Ken Shamrock · 03-12-2015 02:00PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Either you're a bit thick or trying to troll either way it's not working for you.

Or you're insecure and can't have a laugh?

Marty McFly · 03-12-2015 02:06PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Or you're insecure and can't have a laugh?

Insecure :pac: yea because that makes sense I need boards to validate my existence :pac: strange.

Anyways Sunderland will be no pushovers and as previous games have shown nothing can be taken for granted but hoping we can get a couple wins under our belt before the City game

Luckycharms_74 · 03-12-2015 02:08PM

keano_afc wrote: »

Big time. Raging we didnt get him. Still, a couple of years at Liverpool and he'll want to move to a big club.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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