Irish Government violating the human rights of women

The Golden Miller wrote:

Too many college clowns on social media these days spouting out the same cliches to look liberal and progressive in front of their mates despite never being faced with the situation, and when it comes down to it most change their stance dramatically when their conscience kicks in. It's because it's morally wrong

Of you go with your morality thing again, which is based entirely on a single anecdotal bit of "evidence". Tell me... how do you suppose animals, that in every other way show no signs of morality, go through the same biological and (heres that word again) hormonal and even behavioural processes as a human in the same circumstance? How is it a moral issue?

The Golden Miller wrote:

Funny how people can never answer the "anecdotal" stuff in an honest manner. Honestly, how would you see a vote going in that scenario?

I take it you don't understand what anecdotal is either...
Honestly? I don't know because unlike you, I can't talk for everyone else.

I really hope, expect and want a referendum on this.

I think pro choice will win easily enough.

At the end of the day, the rules for these things are and should be decided by the people.
The people who don't wish to partake of the abortion service wont. That's their personal choice and its ok.
I understand that they believe a wrong is being committed, and its good that they try to stop that. In the end though, I'm on the other side of that argument. I am pro choice.

I wont avail of the service myself. I'm grown up enough and mentally/financially/life ready to support a child in a healthy environment.
5 years ago? Not a chance. I would only be recycling the same silly cycles i was raised.

Words like murder or abortion mean nothing. Its just both sides trying to copt the word that manipulates the listener to their side. I consider it gross on all accounts. Murder implying a morally wrong taking of a 'conscious' life. Aborting, a neutral word denoting the stopping of a process. Both trying to shine their own light to minimise their damage, and maximise their righteous choice.

Its a shame people don't agree on the facts. That there is a life, but that its parents for whatever reason do not want to support its survival. Neither situation is ideal and each person is just trying to try do their best, in an extremely difficult situation. This all happens in the context of a society which other people feel affected by what others do.

I think the trend of opinion is moving towards choice as successive generations occur. Hopefully, it will all be behind us in 20 years. It will take a while for people to move on to other issues .

I think the pro life movement really shot themselves in the foot with bad strategy. It would of been a far more efficient strategy in terms of long term winning to foster a society of love, growth, adoration of children. Supporting the parents who may struggle or who are on the fence. Not with the decision, but with the life that follows it. Instead, anger, shame and guilt were used. Something that everyone rebels against. Its a failing strategy. I understand the often deeply held morals come often from the religious background which used anger guilt and shame in copious amounts. Its not a surprise they carried over, but the painting was on the wall for how society would react.

Tis a misfortune that it causes such hardship for either side.