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  • #6632
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    hence the rise in Female Genital Mutilation in Ireland to over a thousand cases recently.
    Humm... if true it would seem all the talk of integration isn't working out as planned


  • #6633
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    seanaway wrote: »
    Humm... if true it would seem all the talk of integration isn't working out as planned
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/warning-as-young-girls-travel-here-for-genital-mutilation-34144068.html

    http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=14486
    More than 2,500 women and girls living in Ireland are estimated to have undergone female genital mutilation (FGM),

    Thousands is an estimate, but when you factor in the drop in cases when England cracked down to the rise in Ireland its fairly easy to see what happened, the problem has merely moved across the Irish sea, but yeah, cultural enrichment, whats not to love.


  • #6634
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Nodin wrote: »
    Originally mutants were citizens, but were expelled because it was deemed easier to kick them out than deal with the racism their presence led to. Far be it from me to point out the lesson in that satire.

    Thus ending racism and violence against mutants, and giving them their own homeland. The satire is that to have a "tolerant diverse society" it would be even more tyrannical and restricting for everyone then the mega city currently is, as we see IRL with our freedoms being eroded in the name of "security" and "fighting racism". Homogeneous societies are peaceful and free societies.


  • #6635
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Due to invasions...and latterly the "soft invasion" of mass immigration, Islam is not part of European culture or heritage..


    ...by which lights one could argue the same for Catholicism, orthodoxy, Judaism, Protestantism and everything else with the possible exception of shamanism and sun worship. Also agriculture and Christ knows what else.
    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    No, but, a piece of paper does not change your ethnicity or your culture, .

    .....neither does ethnicity or culture bar one from French citizenship.


  • #6636
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Thus ending racism and violence against mutants, and giving them their own homeland. The satire is that to have a "tolerant diverse society" it would be even more tyrannical and restricting for everyone then the mega city currently is, as we see IRL with our freedoms being eroded in the name of "security" and "fighting racism". Homogeneous societies are peaceful and free societies.

    A race based utopia which doesn't exist anywhere yet excites some nonetheless.


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  • #6637
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Nodin wrote: »
    A race based utopia which doesn't exist anywhere yet excites some nonetheless.
    Japan, previously much of Europe. Ireland still is to an extent, but you can already see "racism on the rise", "violence and rape on the rise" etc etc, soon to follow Sweden, Britain and France in the abyss.
    Also, I never said it would be a utopia, just a lot less ****.


  • #6638
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/warning-as-young-girls-travel-here-for-genital-mutilation-34144068.html

    http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=14486


    Thousands is an estimate, but when you factor in the drop in cases when England cracked down to the rise in Ireland its fairly easy to see what happened, the problem has merely moved across the Irish sea, but yeah, cultural enrichment, whats not to love.
    Shocking


  • #6639
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Japan, previously much of Europe. Ireland still is to an extent, but you can already see "racism on the rise", "violence and rape on the rise" etc etc, soon to follow Sweden, Britain and France in the abyss.
    Also, I never said it would be a utopia, just a lot less ****.

    Historically inaccurate fantasy. The notion of Sweden and France being "in the abyss" is funny though - points there.


  • #6640
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Japan, previously much of Europe. Ireland still is to an extent, but you can already see "racism on the rise", "violence and rape on the rise" etc etc, soon to follow Sweden, Britain and France in the abyss.
    Also, I never said it would be a utopia, just a lot less ****.

    I think you need to read up on Europe if you think they have a long history of being separate of 'mutants' (whatever the hell that means).

    The muslim populations of for example the Balkans are native to Europe, same goes for parts of Russia.


  • #6641
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Originally Posted by JPNelsforearm
    Islam is not part of European culture or heritage..
    Nodin wrote: »
    ...by which lights one could argue the same for Catholicism, orthodoxy, Judaism, Protestantism and everything else with the possible exception of shamanism and sun worship. Also agriculture and Christ knows what else.

    Are you suggesting that Catholicism and Protestantism are alien to European culture or heritage, or at least have no more relation to them than Islam does ?


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  • #6642
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I think you need to read up on Europe if you think they have a long history of being separate of 'mutants' (whatever the hell that means).

    The muslim populations of for example the Balkans are native to Europe, same goes for parts of Russia.

    Sound like the ideal spots for a refugee to aim for. But seemingly no.


  • #6643
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I think you need to read up on Europe if you think they have a long history of being separate of 'mutants' (whatever the hell that means).

    The muslim populations of for example the Balkans are native to Europe, same goes for parts of Russia.

    The "mutants" was just a bit of 2000AD related banter earthlet.

    Wrong again, they are only there because of Islamic conquest, Kosovo and Bosnia are reminders of the Islamic invasions of Europe and how deep they penetrated after they conquered Byzantium. Between their incursions into Eastern Europe and the conquest of Spain, Europe very nearly was swallowed up by Islam the way North Africa, the Middle East, Persia and India were.


  • #6644
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Nodin wrote: »
    Historically inaccurate fantasy. The notion of Sweden and France being "in the abyss" is funny though - points there.

    I lived in London for two years after uni until the end of 2014. IMO as a place to live, its trending downwards, "white flight" in full effect, you only have to look to the US with its de facto segregation to see how this winds up. Unless they leave the EU and UKIP takes over that is:pac:
    France and Sweden with their own little ghettos are well on their way, breeding grounds for violence and Islamic fundamentalism. the results of this can be seen in the existence of this thread and the one on 7/7 bombings.


  • #6645
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    I lived in London for two years after uni until the end of 2014. IMO as a place to live, its trending downwards, "white flight" in full effect, you only have to look to the US with its de facto segregation to see how this winds up. Unless they leave the EU and UKIP takes over that is:pac:
    France and Sweden with their own little ghettos are well on their way, breeding grounds for violence and Islamic fundamentalism. the results of this can be seen in the existence of this thread and the one on 7/7 bombings.
    Sweden made the mistae of housing a lot of refugees from Yugoslavia in vast apartment blocks - no chance of integration. Can't understand it. They got it right with the refugees from Chile and Hungary.

    not trying to make a point but I do wonder of the whole culture issue might be the answer to that question. Are some cultures just not able/willing to integrate or is it perhaps the sheer numbers???

    Someone needs to find an answer though as it bodes ill for all.


  • #6646
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    [...]
    The muslim populations of for example the Balkans are native to Europe[...]

    they are not, not as muslims anyway. on the balkans, as basically everywhere else, islam was spread by conquest and terror in past centuries…


  • #6647
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that Catholicism and Protestantism are alien to European culture or heritage, or at least have no more relation to them than Islam does ?

    They arrived a few hundred years earlier. Some parts of Europe didn't convert to Christianity until well after Islam was founded. Is there some arbitrary date you'd like to set before which immigration is fair enough and everything after "alien" and wrong?

    Do please tell me - what religions can and cannot be allowed into Europe? Also are there any races you'd block?
    Wurzelbert wrote:

    islam was spread by conquest and terror in past centuries…

    No more than Christianity.


  • #6648
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    They arrived a few hundred years earlier. Some parts of Europe didn't convert to Christianity until well after Islam was founded. Is there some arbitrary date you'd like to set before which immigration is fair enough and everything after "alien" and wrong?

    Yeah, Christianity was alien when it was spread around Europe. Now, it is an intrinsic part of its history, formed after a thousand years of warfare. Do we now have to wait for the couple hundred years it will take Islam to work its kinks out (if ever it does)?
    Nodin wrote: »
    No more than Christianity.

    Christianity isn't being spread by the sword today. Islam is.


  • #6649
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Christianity isn't being spread by the sword today. Islam is.
    Speaking of swords....Thought a humour break might be good at this point

    Let's not bicker......
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34RlJ0L0xE


  • #6650
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Nodin wrote: »
    [...]
    No more than Christianity.

    sure, christianity saw its share of that as well, yet what is your point?
    i do not know if you are a muslim or just an “international” socialist with no loyalty to your people and country or whatever, and why you seem to hate europe so much that you would like to see it lose its identity…i just tend to see it all from a european (yes, white and christian) point of view, and i keep being baffled by how so many europeans around here try so hard to argue against their own crowd…


  • #6651
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Yeah, Christianity was alien when it was spread around Europe. Now, it is an intrinsic part of its history, formed after a thousand years of warfare. Do we now have to wait for the couple hundred years it will take Islam to work its kinks out (if ever it does)?.

    But Islam is already here and has been for centuries. No one gave a rats ass until Osama in 2001.
    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Christianity isn't being spread by the sword today. Islam is.

    No, not by the vast vast majority of muslims.


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  • #6652
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Nodin wrote: »
    They arrived a few hundred years earlier. Some parts of Europe didn't convert to Christianity until well after Islam was founded. Is there some arbitrary date you'd like to set before which immigration is fair enough and everything after "alien" and wrong?

    Do please tell me - what religions can and cannot be allowed into Europe? Also are there any races you'd block?

    Your usual sidetracking. Why don't you answer the question I asked ?

    I asked you...
    Are you suggesting that Catholicism and Protestantism are alien to European culture or heritage, or at least have no more relation to them than Islam does ?

    IS that what you were suggesting in this post...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97927122&postcount=6642

    Yes, or no ?


  • #6653
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    sure, christianity saw its share of that as well, yet what is your point?…


    .............that the "islam is teh ebbil" narrative hasn't a leg to stand on.
    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    i do not know if you are a muslim or just an “international” socialist with no loyalty to your people and country or whatever,
    …

    ....ahh dear........its a change from what I often get I suppose.
    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    and why you seem to hate europe so much that you would like to see it lose its identity…i just tend to see it all from a european (yes, white and christian) point of view, and i keep being baffled by how so many europeans around here try so hard to argue against their own crowd…

    The whole "white and Christian" thing and similar notions went past their sell-by date some time ago. It's in the bin beside IS' ideology and sharia law.

    Gas - 'We have genuine concerns - we want a white Christian Europe'. A contradiction in terms if ever there was one.


  • #6654
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    IrishTrajan wrote: »


    Christianity isn't being spread by the sword today. Islam is.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/christian-assault-rifle-2334175-Sep2015/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/us/robert-dear-suspect-in-colorado-attack-appears-in-court.html?_r=0

    Don't kid yourself that Christians are all sugar and niceness.

    **** sake, even look at our own country to see what so called Christians do to each other.


  • #6655
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Don't kid yourself that Christians are all sugar and niceness.

    **** sake, even look at our own country to see what so called Christians do to each other.

    Let's import more, then.


  • #6656
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    Your usual sidetracking. Why don't you answer the question I asked ?


    I will. What religions and/or races would you like to see blocked from Europe?
    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    IS that what you were suggesting in this post...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97927122&postcount=6642

    Yes, or no ?

    Christianity is from the middle east. So is Islam. Parts of Europe were still pagan well within the last thousand years as far as I know. The difference is who arrived first, really. Once could say both are equally "foreign" though the notion that one should bother with such distinctions is ridiculous.


  • #6657
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Nodin wrote: »

    Christianity is from the middle east. So is Islam. Parts of Europe were still pagan well within the last thousand years as far as I know. The difference is who arrived first, really. Once could say both are equally "foreign" though the notion that one should bother with such distinctions is ridiculous.

    You're not answering the question. You didn't say Christianity first time round, and anyway, we don't need you to tell us where it geographically originated.

    Once again...

    A poster says
    Islam is not part of European culture or heritage.

    And your reply is
    one could argue the same for Catholicism, orthodoxy, Judaism, Protestantism...

    So I ask you
    Are you suggesting that Catholicism and Protestantism are alien to European culture or heritage, or at least have no more relation to them than Islam does ?

    That's what you implied. So, IS that what you are saying ? That Catholicism and Protestantism (!) are alien to European culture ?

    Yes or No ?


  • #6658
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »

    That's what you implied. So, IS that what you are saying ? That Catholicism and Protestantism (!) are alien to European culture ?

    Yes or No ?

    I would say that they, like Islam, are here so long they can't be considered alien. However, if we are to consider Islam "alien", then the same logic must be applied to Christianity, as it is also an import, albeit the one that hopped off the galley first.

    Now - What religions and/or races would you like to see blocked from Europe? Or is it only me answering?


  • #6659
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Nodin wrote: »
    What religions and/or races would you like to see blocked from Europe? Or is it only me answering?

    Wahhabi's and Salafi's.


  • #6660
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Wahhabi's and Salafi's.

    So noted. The party circuit will doubtless suffer.


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  • #6661
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    So, IS that what you are saying ? That Catholicism and Protestantism (!) are alien to European culture ?

    Christianity originated in the Middle East but much of it's growth, arguably the most important part of it,came in Europe. It soon left its Jewish roots and flourished in the Roman Empire, setting up it's HQ in Rome. Eventually Christianity became a hybrid religion combining the original scriptures with a theology that developed from Greek philosophical thought,thanks mainly to Thomas Aquinas and his study of Aristotle. Protestanism is an even more European trend. If Christianity had stayed in Asia and not gained a foothold in Europe, it would doubtless be more Asiatic in character. Christianity is an immigrant that has acclimatised to Europe and Europe has changed Christianity.
    In contrast Islam maintains much of it's Arabic character even in other regions (obviously, as the Arabic language is a central, immutable part of its constitution "I have given you an Arabic Koran"). The attempt to introduce elements of Greek philosophy into Islam under the Mu`tazilites failed..unfortunately much to the detriment of Islam.
    As for Judaism....frankly I don't know enough to know how it has developed outside it's original context.


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