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Nodin · 01-12-2015 08:38AM

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Islamism exists because Islam exists. If Islam didn't exist, Islamism would not exist. ...............

And again, this hits 1.6 billion with the burden of something they are not involved in and are not responsible for. Why can't we just attack the militants instead of these sweeping generalisations?

kettlehead · 01-12-2015 08:46AM

Nodin wrote: »

And again, this hits 1.6 billion with the burden of something they are not involved in and are not responsible for. Why can't we just attack the militants instead of these sweeping generalisations?

Look up the pew stats on Muslims around the world. The majority of them believe in crap that is incompatible with European values. Death for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, Muslim teachings being more important than national law, support for anti western terrorist organisations - it is all there.

It is not just "a tiny majority of bad apples." The majority of them believe in this stuff and that won't change once they step on European soil.

Nodin · 01-12-2015 08:53AM

kettlehead wrote: »

Look up the pew stats on Muslims around the world. The majority of them believe in crap that is incompatible with European values. Death for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, Muslim teachings being more important than national law, support for anti western terrorist organisations - it is all there.

It is not just "a tiny majority of bad apples." The majority of them believe in this stuff and that won't change once they step on European soil.

.....that rather presumes that those who head towards the West are the ones who hold those views and that they will hold them in perpetuity.

Boom_Bap · 01-12-2015 10:14AM

MOD
fed up sick and tired - ease off the mammy talk and comprehension jibes.
This is a discussion, not a slagging match.

walshyn93 · 01-12-2015 10:28AM

Nodin wrote: »

.....that rather presumes that those who head towards the West are the ones who hold those views and that they will hold them in perpetuity.

Those pew stats were taken from Muslims in the west.

It's a bigger presumption to make that only a those of a certain viewpoint emigrate or that those of a certain viewpoint are altogether less likely to emigrate. Yours is a rather naive suggestion that Muslim bigots aren't coming to Europe. Is there some sort of invisible hand at play?

They will hold these views as long as theyre attending saudi funded mosques at any rate.

Plates · 01-12-2015 10:36AM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Those pew stats were taken from Muslims in the west.

Apologies if I missed it in an earlier post - but did you share a link to those stats?

130Kph · 01-12-2015 10:54AM

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Islamism exists because Islam exists. If Islam didn't exist, Islamism would not exist. ISIS are only replicating what the first Muslims done in the 7th century, you'd know this if you knew anything about ISIS and Islam.

I wish more Boardsies would read up on Islam and its history before apologizing for it during one of their pseudo-intellectual rants.

The poison of Islamism gets its strength from the sheer feudalism & instability of most countries in the ME (so I agree in the sense - I think this isn’t our fight).

But Islamism has virtually no hope of momentum in Europe – society is better organised here, fairer - social safety net, better education, richer etc etc.

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

It is hopelessly passive and cowardly to mitigate or rationalise in this way. In the long run we are all dead, but to people suffering now, who gives a **** about history and the long run ?

They hurt us badly each time they slaughter civilians – absolutely, yes – but in this part of the world they’re just criminals; and I believe they will mostly continue to be taken down and wiped out.

Wurzelbert · 01-12-2015 11:12AM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Those pew stats were taken from Muslims in the west.

It's a bigger presumption to make that only a those of a certain viewpoint emigrate or that those of a certain viewpoint are altogether less likely to emigrate. Yours is a rather naive suggestion that Muslim bigots aren't coming to Europe. Is there some sort of invisible hand at play?

They will hold these views as long as theyre attending saudi funded mosques at any rate.

isn’t most reasonably reliable data on muslims from western countries anyway? not sure how easy it would be to run polls like these in places like saudi arabia or yemen, and why anyone there would even be interested in running one…i reckon the pollsters might be at risk of getting beheaded anyway…
all in all i just see no reason to believe muslims in western countries would generally be more old-fashioned or more extreme in their views and beliefs than those back home, whoever came up with that notion…i have heard it said about turks in germany, but that’s a unique example and the reasons are obvious…

Sunflower 27 · 01-12-2015 12:46PM

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

What kind of nonsense is that question ? When the 'quantity' is 40,000 of right-on, SJW, ad nauseam 'one-world' bullscutter. (ref. Nodin)

Talk about inverse relationships ! Seriously, that's forty thousand posts ! ! !

To remind you...

Well, who asked you in this particular instance ?

If you want to agree with him, fine. Make your own case, and let him make his. And if you don't have a case of your own to make, why are you sticking your nose in ?

I have my doubts about your comprehension levels.

There is nothing wrong with my comprehension level.

Sticking my nose in? This is a discussion board not your private blog. It appears it is you that needs to comprehend what an online discussion is.

Dohnjoe · 01-12-2015 01:30PM

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Islamism exists because Islam exists. If Islam didn't exist, Islamism would not exist. ISIS are only replicating what the first Muslims done in the 7th century, you'd know this if you knew anything about ISIS and Islam.

I wish more Boardsies would read up on Islam and its history before apologizing for it during one of their pseudo-intellectual rants.

There are christians slaughtering men, woman and children in Africa

Islam isn't the convenient "cause". It's a very complex set of factors with human beings as the common denominator.

ilkhanid · 01-12-2015 01:38PM

130Kph wrote: »

The poison of Islamism gets its strength from the sheer feudalism & instability of most countries in the ME (so I agree in the sense - I think this isn’t our fight). .

True. But "feudalism" and instability are not unique to the Middle East. Look at South and Central America in the period from the seventies to recently. Anger at inequality, injustice and reaction channeled itself into political movements of the Left and Right as well as nationalism and ethnic politics. Movements that-in the end-while far from easy, were amenable to correction...to a degree anyway.

130Kph wrote: »

But Islamism has virtually no hope of momentum in Europe – society is better organised here, fairer - social safety net, better education, richer etc etc. out.

Yet, from a almost nowhere Islamism rose in, for instance, the UK from almost nothing in the seventies to a positive danger to society in the nineties.

JPNelsforearm · 01-12-2015 02:41PM

Russia with the right answer.
https://www.rt.com/politics/323919-soros-foundation-recognized-as-undesirable/

Foreign organisations that promote anti national and anti Russian agendas banned. No Soros funded open borders fifth columnists for Putins Russia

Nodin · 01-12-2015 02:43PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Russia with the right answer.
https://www.rt.com/politics/323919-soros-foundation-recognized-as-undesirable/

Foreign organisations that promote anti national and anti Russian agendas banned. No Soros funded open borders fifth columnists for Putins Russia

So now its 'yay for xenophobic strong arm dictatorships'?

Describe for me what constitutes an "anti national" agenda, if you would be as good.

JPNelsforearm · 01-12-2015 02:44PM

Nodin wrote: »

So now its 'yay for xenophobic strong arm dictatorships'?

Describe for me what constitutes an "anti national" agenda, if you would be as good.

Promotion of mass immigration

jobbridge4life · 01-12-2015 02:45PM

Nodin wrote: »

So now its 'yay for xenophobic strong arm dictatorships'?

Describe for me what constitutes an "anti national" agenda, if you would be as good.

Probably making fun of 'treasured national hero, sporting achiever, woman quiver maker, definitely not balding, genius and Father of the Land' Putin.

Russia's sad slide back into autarchy continues.

Nodin · 01-12-2015 02:46PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Promotion of mass immigration

So it really is a xenophobic fear mongering authoritarian agenda you think is worth lauding.

Nodin · 01-12-2015 02:47PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Probably making fun of 'treasured national hero, sporting achiever, woman quiver maker, definitely not balding, genius and Father of the Land' Putin.

Russia's sad slide back into autarchy continues.

He Who Wrestles The Great Bears will be respected, or beatings.

JPNelsforearm · 01-12-2015 02:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

So it really is a xenophobic fear mongering authoritarian agenda you think is worth lauding.

If the alternative is the path we are currently on, then yes, absolutely. I dont want to participate in the race to the bottom and have Ireland be just another over populated slum. I actually like my country and its history.

And how is it it fear mongering? You have a foreign organisation that openly works against Russia interests and Russia being an ethnic Russian state, its a no brainer that you would shut them down.

JPNelsforearm · 01-12-2015 02:52PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Probably making fun of 'treasured national hero, sporting achiever, woman quiver maker, definitely not balding, genius and Father of the Land' Putin.

Russia's sad slide back into autarchy continues.

Ah yes, because Russia was so great during the "open society" of the 90's when US hedge funds and NGO's were running it....

Nodin · 01-12-2015 02:58PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

If the alternative is the path we are currently on, then yes, absolutely. I dont want to participate in the race to the bottom and have Ireland be just another over populated slum. I actually like my country and its history..

....jesus yeah, we could end up like those terrible places Germany, France and the Scandanavian lads.

It would be nice if you spoke more directly, as "race to the botton" and "another over populated slum" are the kind of vague soundbites that have me guess as to your meaning. Also you might explain to me what Putin and the Soros foundation have to do with the Paris shootings, as that connection is unclear to me.

seanaway · 01-12-2015 03:00PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Ah yes, because Russia was so great during the "open society" of the 90's when US hedge funds and NGO's were running it....

you have a point here. The thing people need to remember is that Russia was never a democracy. It is a fairly alien concept to them and the Russians have always looked to a strong arm politician/Tsar to run their affairs for them.

Even when Putin goes there will be another dictator waiting to take over.

Nodin · 01-12-2015 03:07PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Ah yes, because Russia was so great during the "open society" of the 90's when US hedge funds and NGO's were running it....

Country has a period as a bit of a disaster so the logical next step is Dear Leader, Wrestler Of Great Bears?

seanaway · 01-12-2015 03:10PM

Nodin wrote: »

Country has a period as a bit of a disaster so the logical next step is Dear Leader, Wrestler Of Great Bears?

Alas, in the mind of russians it would seem so...ever seen the documentary on Putin with young people? Couldn't decide whether he reminded me more of Hitler or Stalin.

JPNelsforearm · 01-12-2015 03:12PM

Nodin wrote: »

....jesus yeah, we could end up like those terrible places Germany, France and the Scandanavian lads.

It would be nice if you spoke more directly, as "race to the botton" and "another over populated slum" are the kind of vague soundbites that have me guess as to your meaning. Also you might explain to me what Putin and the Soros foundation have to do with the Paris shootings, as that connection is unclear to me.

The World is not running out of people, we are however, killing wildlife and building on what should be farm or forest or natural habitats, see the ludicrous suggestions in England that paving over and building the countryside is the solution to the dire housing shortage brought about by importing heaps of people.

Encouraging the denizens of the third world to immigrate en masse(in addition to the population increasing effects of the various food and health aid that goes to those countries) is simply going to decrease the quality of life for everyone. Mass immigration results in conflict and habitat destruction, organisations that promote it are responsible for every act of terrorism perpetrated by its beneficiaries, in this case Paris.

The open society and all its affiliated NGO's are (in conjunction with the EUrocrats) the drivers of mass immigration, which as a policy, is directly responsible for the Paris shootings. Any people or society that wants to preserve itself would fight its malign policies.

Thats not even getting into all the "extra security" and stripping of our rights that goes on to "protect us" from the end result of unfettered immigration. See the "emergency powers" in Paris, all the spying etc since 9/11...

TL:DR, we(well, our children) are going to end up in some dystopian Judge Dredd mega city if this continues.

Nodin · 01-12-2015 03:13PM

seanaway wrote: »

Alas, in the mind of russians it would seem so...ever seen the documentary on Putin with young people? Couldn't decide whether he reminded me more of Hitler or Stalin.

There was some yoke about him and various youth groups allright a while back - one run by a young woman, if I recall. Very odd.

Nodin · 01-12-2015 03:15PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

The World is not running out of people, we are however, killing wildlife and building on what should be farm or forest or natural habitats, see the ludicrous suggestions in England that paving over and building the countryside is the solution to the dire housing shortage brought about by importing heaps of people.

Encouraging the denizens of the third world to immigrate en masse(in addition to the population increasing effects of the various food and health aid that goes to those countries) is simply going to decrease the quality of life for everyone. Mass immigration results in conflict and habitat destruction, organisations that promote it are responsible for every act of terrorism perpetrated by its beneficiaries, in this case Paris.

The open society and all its affiliated NGO's are (in conjunction with the EUrocrats) the drivers of mass immigration, which as a policy, is directly responsible for the Paris shootings. Any people or society that wants to preserve itself would fight its malign policies.

Thats not even getting into all the "extra security" and stripping of our rights that goes on to "protect us" from the end result of unfettered immigration. See the "emergency powers" in Paris, all the spying etc since 9/11...

TL:DR, we(well, our children) are going to end up in some dystopian Judge Dredd mega city if this continues.

The majority of the people involved were European born.

I'm more of a cursed earth mutant meself.

JPNelsforearm · 01-12-2015 03:53PM

Nodin wrote: »

The majority of the people involved were European born.

I'm more of a cursed earth mutant meself.

But neither ethnically nor culturally European.

Even the mega cities had borders and fences to keep out the muties...:cool:

Nodin · 01-12-2015 03:56PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

But neither ethnically nor culturally European.

...........

There have been muslims in Europe for over a millennia. There is no single Eurpean ethnicity, nor is there currently a European state that bases its citizenship on ethnicity (to the best of my knowledge).

Nodin · 01-12-2015 04:01PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

But neither ethnically nor culturally European.

Even the mega cities had borders and fences to keep out the muties...:cool:

Originally mutants were citizens, but were expelled because it was deemed easier to kick them out than deal with the racism their presence led to. Far be it from me to point out the lesson in that satire.

JPNelsforearm · 01-12-2015 04:03PM

Nodin wrote: »

There have been muslims in Europe for over a millennia. There is no single Eurpean ethnicity, nor is there currently a European state that bases its citizenship on ethnicity (to the best of my knowledge).

Due to invasions...and latterly the "soft invasion" of mass immigration, Islam is not part of European culture or heritage.

No, but, a piece of paper does not change your ethnicity or your culture, hence the rise in Female Genital Mutilation in Ireland to over a thousand cases recently.

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