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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #6572
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    kettlehead wrote: »
    There are over two billion people today who live on $2 a day or less. Their life's would be infinitely better anywhere within the EU. How many should we take in?

    "Wanting a better life" should not give people carte Blanche to leave Turkey, enter Greece or Italy, leave the EU and enter Macedonia then Serbia, reenter the EU and travel through Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia and Austria until they get to Germany. "Wanting a better life" should not mean that people should be allowed saunter through various EU member states illegally.

    "Wanting a better life" - everyone wants a better life. It's not up to Europe to provide it for anyone and everyone who decides to come here. May I remind you that five people who entered Europe on a rust bucket "wanting a better life" went on to commit indiscriminate and wanton mass murder.

    This large scale unchecked and unvetted illegal immigration into Europe has to cease. If they "want a better life" they can go through the correct channels. Europe is not a global soup kitchen. No matter what some of our "leaders" living in exclusive and gated communíties may think.

    And of course no Irish person that emigrated ever got involved in criminal activity. Yeah, right. Take the blinkers off. 5 abominable people caused a terrible atrocity. You think it would not have happened anyway? Isis have followers everywhere, even English going over to join them. You have a very simplistic view of this situation.


  • #6573
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Nodin wrote: »
    Near on 50% of French muslims are non practicing. Why are you shifting the goalposts?

    Relevance of that is... what ? Maybe they're mindlessly, non-practising. Not what is required of them, is it ? A bit more commitment to the cause of denouncing religious lunacy and irrationality, please.


  • #6574
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    Relevance of that is... what ? Maybe they're mindlessly, non-practising. Not what is required of them, is it ? A bit more commitment to the cause of denouncing religious lunacy and irrationality, please.

    So they are all religious maniacs, except where they aren't, in which case so what. Wonderful bit of thinking there.

    Is it just muslims and nominal muslims who have to jump through a set of evermoving hoops to gain your approval or is there anyone else you'd like to add to your list?


  • #6575
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    alwald wrote: »
    Any thoughts about this man and his comments

    nothing new and very one-sided…he must have had a tough childhood or whatever made him hate his own crowd so much, and he probably believes that george w. bush had the wtc blown up and that islam is the religion of peace and all muslims are victims, so loads of bs there…yet he also puts the finger on some sore spots like the role of big business and zionism in world events, but he oversimplifies it all just too much and there is so much more to it…


  • #6576
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    What is a 'non-practising Muslim'?


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  • #6577
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    What is a 'non-practising Muslim'?

    A Muslim that doesn't do anything between his piano lessons.


    Seriously though, from a country where the majority of people claim they are Catholic and yet only a small minority of them actually go to church, I wouldn't have thought someone being non practising in their religion was a concept that was hard to grasp.


  • #6578
    kettlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭kettlehead


    The head rat has made it back to its nest.
    One of the suspects involved in the Paris terror attacks is believed to have escaped to Syria, according to a source close to the investigation.

    Salah Abdeslam, born in Brussels, has been on the run since the attacks which killed 130 people and injured hundreds more on 13 November.

    Source is The Independent.


  • #6579
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    And of course no Irish person that emigrated ever got involved in criminal activity. Yeah, right. Take the blinkers off. 5 abominable people caused a terrible atrocity. You think it would not have happened anyway? Isis have followers everywhere, even English going over to join them. You have a very simplistic view of this situation.

    That is literally what people have been arguing for months now. When we went to the U.S., we formed ghettoes and attacked any non-Irish who came through the "Irish areas" (so much so that having a brick thrown at your head is colloquially called "Irish confetti"). Irish people became heavily involved with criminal elements (it was an Irish person who started booze running during the Prohibition era). Irish became synonymous with criminality, and the Irish attacked and lynched black people in the streets.


    Why would anyone in their right-mind argue for mass migration when the result is "ghetto-ization" akin to what the Irish a century and a half ago? Berlin, London, Paris, Copenhagen, Malmo, Amsterdam, Brussels... If you think ghettoes won't form with large influxes of unskilled, uneducated migrants, you're deluded.


  • #6580
    kettlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭kettlehead


    Irish people committed crimes abroad so we cannot complain when immigrants commit terrorists atrocities in Europe. This is the logic of a retard but a very dangerous sense of thinking indeed.

    All of this was entirely predictable and many people warned about the dangers of completely opening the borders. They are scoffed at and labelled as "fearmongers."

    Five people used the migrant routes to get into Europe to commit terrorist attacks. Over a hundred people were murdered. And still these lunatics want the borders kept open.

    It is also a matter of time before a similar attack happens again and some of the terrorists will indeed again the migrant route.


  • #6581
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    If you look on the front of your passport it says "An tAontas Eorpach". We're part of the EU, so the Irish passport is considered a European passport, much like a French or a Italian one is also a European passport. Serbia would not be a European passport since they're not in the EU.

    Ya I think you missed my point by a fair bit there! Or do you genuinely think Europe is a country?

    Europe is not a country. It is a continent. The EU is not a mega state like they want us to believe where everyone is in it and all happy to be part of the big happy family. When people say these people were European citizens they were not and would never identify as such nor would these actions be carried out if they believed they were French. It's a piece of paper, it means nothing.


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  • #6582
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Ya I think you missed my point by a fair bit there! Or do you genuinely think Europe is a country?

    Europe is not a country. It is a continent. The EU is not a mega state like they want us to believe where everyone is in it and all happy to be part of the big happy family. When people say these people were European citizens they were not and would never identify as such nor would these actions be carried out if they believed they were French. It's a piece of paper, it means nothing.


    They were French and Belgian citizens whether they liked it or not or you approved. We can't have a scenario where there are levels of citizenship based on who the bête noir of the day is.


  • #6583
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    A Muslim that doesn't do anything between his piano lessons.


    Seriously though, from a country where the majority of people claim they are Catholic and yet only a small minority of them actually go to church, I wouldn't have thought someone being non practising in their religion was a concept that was hard to grasp.

    So you just lump ethnic Arab people in with Muslims who believe all sorts, despite them having consciously chosen to reject the tenets of Islam? Nice. Bit racist though isn't it?


  • #6584
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Ya I think you missed my point by a fair bit there! Or do you genuinely think Europe is a country?

    Europe is not a country. It is a continent. The EU is not a mega state like they want us to believe where everyone is in it and all happy to be part of the big happy family. When people say these people were European citizens they were not and would never identify as such nor would these actions be carried out if they believed they were French. It's a piece of paper, it means nothing.

    It's a pedantic argument, really. We gave up our national sovereignty when we agreed to join the EU and abide by its laws, arguing over whether European passports means passports of European nations, or a singular European passport, is a tad ridiculous.


  • #6585
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Nodin wrote: »
    So they are all religious maniacs, except where they aren't, in which case so what. Wonderful bit of thinking there.

    Is it just muslims and nominal muslims who have to jump through a set of evermoving hoops to gain your approval or is there anyone else you'd like to add to your list?

    So you think muslims are exempt from denouncing religious lunacy and irrationality. Wonderful bit of thinking there.

    Is it just muslims and nominal muslims who have to sit in cowardly silence to gain your approval or is there anyone else and in which case so what blah blah blah...

    Of course, given that you 'like' posts that don't even know that Protestantism is a part of the Christian tradition...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97833203&postcount=6326

    your opinion is pretty worthless.


  • #6586
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    So you think muslims are exempt from denouncing religious lunacy and (...........) worthless.

    Let's cut to the chase here. Regardless of what muslims do, it won't be enough for some, you more than likely being one of the "some". If they jump it won't be high enough, if they recant it will be greeted without shouts of "taqqiya" etc It's sad, because its o so predictable.


  • #6587
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Nodin wrote: »
    Let's cut to the chase here. Regardless of what muslims do, it won't be enough for some, you more than likely being one of the "some". If they jump it won't be high enough, if they recant it will be greeted without shouts of "taqqiya" etc It's sad, because its o so predictable.

    And across both this thread, and the others... what have you achieved ?


  • #6588
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    And across both this thread, and the others... what have you achieved ?

    Rather a strange question, doubtless asked as a prelude to some jibe or other. What has anyone achieved? What's the point of posting? We can all sit around in a state of ennui instead.


  • #6589
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    So you just lump ethnic Arab people in with Muslims who believe all sorts, despite them having consciously chosen to reject the tenets of Islam? Nice. Bit racist though isn't it?

    I actually didn't do anything remotely like that at all. You asked a question about what a non practising Muslim is and I answered it. I can't figure out how you think what I said was racist.


  • #6590
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    And across both this thread, and the others... what have you achieved ?

    A lot more than yourself.


  • #6591
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Nodin wrote: »
    Rather a strange question, doubtless asked as a prelude to some jibe or other. What has anyone achieved? What's the point of posting? We can all sit around in a state of ennui instead.

    I assure you there is no mere jibe on the way.

    Very subjective I know, but I have a lot of respect for both Frank Grimes and Hexen - neither of whom I agree with in broad terms and neither of whom I have crossed before.

    So they have achieved something. And the point of my reading their posts is to make me pause and think.

    You might take it just as a jibe when I tell you that your efforts are inferior, cliched, predictable, tactical obstructions. I assure you I don't mean it so. You've been told plenty times.


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  • #6592
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    A lot more than yourself.

    Yeah, I'm nowhere near 40k (:eek:) posts.

    ps Are you his mammy ?


  • #6593
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    It's a pedantic argument, really. We gave up our national sovereignty when we agreed to join the EU and abide by its laws, arguing over whether European passports means passports of European nations, or a singular European passport, is a tad ridiculous.

    We joined the EU to build up our international trade relations.


  • #6594
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    We joined the EU to build up our international trade relations.

    We joined the EEC for that reason, ostensibly. What the EU has become, is a very different beast.

    The clue is in the name.


  • #6595
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Nodin wrote: »
    They were French and Belgian citizens whether they liked it or not or you approved. We can't have a scenario where there are levels of citizenship based on who the bête noir of the day is.

    In their eyes they were brothers/citizens/soldiers of the Islamic State wheter we agreed with them or not. Just no official paperwork to back it up.


  • #6596
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    It's a pedantic argument, really. We gave up our national sovereignty when we agreed to join the EU and abide by its laws, arguing over whether European passports means passports of European nations, or a singular European passport, is a tad ridiculous.

    What's ridiculous is to suggest that 'Europe' is a country. It was called as such in this thread, I pointed out something that was wrong. I correctly called it what it was.


  • #6597
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    The enemy is not Muslims or Islam - it is violent extremists who self-identify as Islamists (from petro-billionaires & dictators all the way down to the AK47 wielding robots).

    (and just narrowing my comments away from Western interference in the ME to the counter-terrorism angle in Europe)

    Their slaughter of civilians is a sign of their total military weakness and an admission that they are an irrelevance of history ( - the long view) they stand for absolutely nothing (plus it’s debatable if this was even credibly an ISIS action …like a lot of jihadists groups they claim responsibility for attacks using a propaganda spoofer model).

    The permissive London-istan counter-terrorist approach has probably thwarted more attacks (body bags) than we’ll ever know – even though people have to stomach Choudry and his ilk getting their regular mawkish publicity …plus unfortunately it gives the impression that Europe is being out-witted by an openly operating 5th column.

    There are some very sophisticated sociological methods being used to intervene with vulnerable youths that Islamists try to recruit in for example Copenhagen & Berlin amongst others (from the BBC news site a few months ago, I can’t find the link atm).

    In some ways, these sociologists are doing some of the real [but low key] front-line battle to prevent the likes of the Bataclan in decades time.


  • #6598
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm nowhere near 40k (:eek:) posts.

    ps Are you his mammy ?

    Ever heard the saying quality over quantity?

    Mammy? Why do I have to be related to someone to agree with them? What an odd dig.


  • #6599
    Alexis Sanchez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Alexis Sanchez


    130Kph wrote: »
    The enemy is not Muslims or Islam - it is violent extremists who self-identify as Islamists

    Islamism exists because Islam exists. If Islam didn't exist, Islamism would not exist. ISIS are only replicating what the first Muslims done in the 7th century, you'd know this if you knew anything about ISIS and Islam.

    I wish more Boardsies would read up on Islam and its history before apologizing for it during one of their pseudo-intellectual rants.


  • #6600
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Ever heard the saying quality over quantity?

    What kind of nonsense is that question ? When the 'quantity' is 40,000 :D of right-on, SJW, ad nauseam 'one-world' bullscutter. (ref. Nodin)

    Talk about inverse relationships ! Seriously, that's forty thousand posts ! ! !
    Mammy? Why do I have to be related to someone to agree with them? What an odd dig.

    To remind you...
    A lot more than yourself.

    Well, who asked you in this particular instance ?

    If you want to agree with him, fine. Make your own case, and let him make his. And if you don't have a case of your own to make, why are you sticking your nose in ?

    I have my doubts about your comprehension levels.


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  • #6601
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    130Kph wrote: »
    The enemy is not Muslims or Islam - it is violent extremists who self-identify as Islamists (from petro-billionaires & dictators all the way down to the AK47 wielding robots).

    It is hopelessly passive and cowardly to mitigate or rationalise in this way. In the long run we are all dead, but to people suffering now, who gives a **** about history and the long run ?

    In the here and now, Islam is the problem. Of course, it is, like all organised religion, bunkum. A waste of time, emotional and intellectual energy.

    It has nothing to do with whether the man I buy my kebab from is the nicest man you could ever chat to, nor that we might like listening to Nusrat Fatah Ali Khan or Ali Farka Toure, nor that we are thrilled by the architecture and the scientific legacy.

    I believe in life before death in a more certain way than life after death, and I wish god-botherers of all denominations would join me in that priority.

    Islam claims much, much more for itself though, than the interior life of it's adherents.
    Their slaughter of civilians is a sign of their total military weakness and an admission that they are an irrelevance of history( - the long view)

    The 'west' has slaughtered countless civilians too. Does this indicate military weakness ?

    If yes, then the 'west' and radical Islam are as weak as each other. If no, then wherein lies the difference ?

    If everyone is weak, then no-one is weak so 'we' may as well take them on. Particularly ISIS.


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