Irish Government violating the human rights of women

MadsL · 30-11-2015 05:08PM #1

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/irish-government-on-notice-it-is-violating-human-rights-of-women-34246181.html

Kenny's approach seems to be muddying the issue with a citizen's convention. The NI High Court's decision today would indicate that a referendum should be held asap, with the citizen's voice being heard through vote rather than "convention".

DarkyHughes · 30-11-2015 05:12PM

Call Joe.

tobsey · 30-11-2015 05:14PM

A judgement in a court outside of the jurisdiction should not be a reason to do anything here.

I'd say all the parties will commit to a referendum in their manifesto but we'll see.

MadsL · 30-11-2015 05:22PM

tobsey wrote: »

A judgement in a court outside of the jurisdiction should not be a reason to do anything here.

The decision addresses the same issues and legal climate that exists in the Republic, so it is relevant.

c_man · 30-11-2015 05:25PM

Realistically I think it's very unlikely to happen before the GE.

Nodin · 30-11-2015 05:55PM

MadsL wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/irish-government-on-notice-it-is-violating-human-rights-of-women-34246181.html

Kenny's approach seems to be muddying the issue with a citizen's convention. The NI High Court's decision today would indicate that a referendum should be held asap, with the citizen's voice being heard through vote rather than "convention".

Pointless **** designed to kick this into touch.

the groutch · 30-11-2015 06:36PM

Everything is after the election.
That's the FG (aka FF Lite) way.
In the meantime enjoy these tax cuts and welfare increases that the country can't actually afford.

kettlehead · 30-11-2015 06:36PM

A convention! More pointless chatter. This issue needs to be put to bed once and for all and put to the people.

sidneykidney · 30-11-2015 07:18PM

Abortion for all and guns too and miniature american flags for those that want them.

inocybe · 30-11-2015 07:19PM

A referendum - but you have to have ovaries to get a vote.

darkpagandeath · 30-11-2015 07:20PM

Convention is just electioneering. People will be fooled into a vote that will not mean anything happens other than talking.

questionmark? · 30-11-2015 07:28PM

kettlehead wrote: »

A convention! More pointless chatter. This issue needs to be put to bed once and for all and put to the people.

If the 'wrong' result happens it won't be put too bed and we will back on the merrypreggersgoround for the next 10 years.

RobertKK · 30-11-2015 07:40PM

I am for keeping the 8th amendment, we have not heard what replaces it, and the people who argue for it's removal will need to present what they want to replace it.
A majority will not accept the abortion situation they have in England for example.

questionmark? · 30-11-2015 07:44PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I am for keeping the 8th amendment, we have not heard what replaces it, and the people who argue for it's removal will need to present what they want to replace it.
A majority will not accept the abortion situation they have in England for example.

Prepare yourself for abuse as debate is not normally allowed. Your rightly ****ed if a Facebook page is started!

RobertKK · 30-11-2015 07:46PM

questionmark? wrote: »

Prepare yourself for abuse as debate is not normally allowed. Your rightly ****ed if a Facebook page is started!

I am use to it...older and wiser so won't be debating as no one changes their opinion anyway.

Orangebrigade · 30-11-2015 07:48PM

The babies who are murdered in the thousands seem to have no human rights. The disgrace of our time.

c_man · 30-11-2015 07:55PM

inocybe wrote: »

A referendum - but you have to have ovaries to get a vote.

Well only those with ovaries and capable of reproducing right? The polling booth operators are gonna have to up their game from merely checking the voting card that's for sure.

ThinkProgress · 30-11-2015 07:56PM

Just let people do what they want with THEIR body!

It's a no-brainer.

Not even sure why it should be a national agenda... it's about individuals and THEIR bodies! Nobody else's business.

c_man · 30-11-2015 07:59PM

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Not even sure why it should be a national agenda...

Because it's in the constitution

ThinkProgress · 30-11-2015 08:03PM

c_man wrote: »

Because it's in the constitution

Yes I know. And it's wrong!

darkpagandeath · 30-11-2015 08:04PM

lol, Was it not a FG/Lab government that introduced the 8th amendment ?

Wompa1 · 30-11-2015 08:04PM

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Just let people do what they want with THEIR body!

It's a no-brainer.

Not even sure why it should be a national agenda... it's about individuals and THEIR bodies! Nobody else's business.

Would you support euthanasia being legalized too? That's not meant to be a snarky question to show you up. Actually interested in what people who would be pro-choice would think of that too.

At this stage of my life, I'm in the camp that would say, legalize both.

eviltwin · 30-11-2015 08:06PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Would you support euthanasia being legalized too? That's not meant to be a snarky question to show you up. Actually interested in what people who would be pro-choice would think of that too.

At this stage of my life, I'm in the cap that would say, legalize both.

I support both. Most pro choice people do cause they are, you know, pro choice

ThinkProgress · 30-11-2015 08:08PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Would you support euthanasia being legalized too?

Yes

Your life, your choice.

The_Valeyard · 30-11-2015 08:11PM

inocybe wrote: »

A referendum - but you have to have ovaries to get a vote.

Unless you can virgin Mary up a baby without the need of a man, then we get to vote also.

Buona Fortuna · 30-11-2015 08:16PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Would you support euthanasia being legalized too? That's not meant to be a snarky question to show you up. Actually interested in what people who would be pro-choice would think of that too.

At this stage of my life, I'm in the cap that would say, legalize both.

Me too

Zamboni · 30-11-2015 08:19PM

Are you fed up of religion dictating our laws?
It's definitley time to tick no religion in the census.

https://www.facebook.com/events/534512320046998/

ThinkProgress · 30-11-2015 08:20PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Unless you can virgin Mary up a baby without the need of a man, then we get to vote also.

I think it's right that men should get a vote.

But I think the female vote should be given more power. Their vote is bit more important than ours, because it's their body.

vienne86 · 30-11-2015 08:25PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I support both. Most pro choice people do cause they are, you know, pro choice

Spot on. Agree completely.

PucaMama · 30-11-2015 08:25PM

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I think it's right that men should get a vote.

But I think the female vote should be given more power. Their vote is bit more important than ours, because it's their body.

Do you think my vote no to abortion as a woman will be given as much power? I don't think so. It's very much "on trend" at the minute to be all for choice.

josephryan1989 · 30-11-2015 08:29PM

MadsL wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/irish-government-on-notice-it-is-violating-human-rights-of-women-34246181.html

Kenny's approach seems to be muddying the issue with a citizen's convention. The NI High Court's decision today would indicate that a referendum should be held asap, with the citizen's voice being heard through vote rather than "convention".

We are a democracy and the Crotty judgement many years ago has forced constitutional changes to be put to the people to decide by referendum.

If the majority want abortion not to be allowed under any circumstances, in some circumstances or available on demand, that is their decision.

The majority will be influenced by what they consider is the best argument.

Irish Government violating the human rights of women

The Government's response to the NI High Court decision should be: 210 votes

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