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  • #32
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    “The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” - hitler

    The US government has been doing a fine job of implementing this strategy since even before 9/11. The state of human rights and civil liberties in the West today is the second most terrifying development of our recent history. The public and media's apathy towards this, is the most terrifying development.


  • #33
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    dubscottie wrote: »
    Having moved from the UK and living in Ireland for 15 years, I have seen the UK turn into a police state in the name of "security".

    Crap I though was normal, I now see as "state control".

    You just need to look at any "cop" show on the BBC or Sky. Fart and you are lifted.

    Even look at the many Youtube vids of people being arrested for taking snaps in London under some terrorism act.

    A friend of mine likes trains. Was interrogated for taking a pic of a train in a new colour scheme by the police.

    It will end up that we will all have to have papers and will get "your papers please"

    UK is f*cked. Freedom of speech and freedom of information were abandoned years ago. When a government minister actually uses the phrase "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" in a non-ironic context as a rebuttal to disclosures of secret mass surveillance, you know that civil rights are officially dead. :mad:


  • #34
    dubscottie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 854 ✭✭✭dubscottie


    A former East German I know joked it was easier to walk round the DDR than the UK as you knew who was watching you.

    In the UK you dont. Highest number of CCTV cameras per head of population in the world.


  • #35
    KomradeBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    I came across the term Zersetsung recently, which is a fascinating/terrifying article on how the DDR/Stasi utilised spying to directly target political activists/opponents, in order to destroy their mental-health/personality/lives, through an extremely fúcked up and professionalized form of 'gaslighting'.

    When you read about the type of mass surveillance under operation today, and read about some of the things the UK has done to target just very low-level political activists - ruining the lives of some in the process - when you see all of this, you realize that it's fairly plausible that we may see a lurch towards that kind of surveillance state in the near future, and that terrorists (even if they successfully end up murdering thousands) are far less of a threat to the general public, than those who would roll back our civil liberties, and enable all these sorts of state abuses.


  • #36
    dubscottie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 854 ✭✭✭dubscottie


    KomradeBishop wrote: »
    I came across the term Zersetsung recently, which is a fascinating/terrifying article on how the DDR/Stasi utilised spying to directly target political activists/opponents, in order to destroy their mental-health/personality/lives, through an extremely fúcked up and professionalized form of 'gaslighting'.

    When you read about the type of mass surveillance under operation today, and read about some of the things the UK has done to target just very low-level political activists - ruining the lives of some in the process - when you see all of this, you realize that it's fairly plausible that we may see a lurch towards that kind of surveillance state in the near future, and that terrorists (even if they successfully end up murdering thousands) are far less of a threat to the general public, than those who would roll back our civil liberties, and enable all these sorts of state abuses.

    What I am talking about in the UK is normal.. there is no subversive bit about it.,

    Its common knowledge. But the population thinks its "normal".


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