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Eircom Huawei F2000 Gateway Bridging

  • 28-07-2015 02:03PM
    #1
    TheChizler
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    I've had the pleasure of having to work with this contraption at both home and the family home, and feel that it's so complicated and tempermental that this topic deserves its own thread.

    I've read a few threads on successfully bridging the F1000, here for example, and have done it myself on the pre-eFibre gateways, but I haven't been able to do it or find any information on its successor. Has anybody here managed to bridge via PPPoE and use it as a basic VDSL modem?

    I spent three hours last night to incorporate the F2000 into the existing setup in the family home as they upgraded yesterday (I'm reluctant to call it an upgrade as the speeds are actually worse). This was the standard Zyxel ADSL2+ gateway bridged via PPPoE into a Netgear WNDR3700v3 (I think!) running dd-wrt. The only setting I changed on the Zyxel was selecting Bridge mode instead of Gateway, and putting eircom@eircom.net and Broadband1 as the PPPoE username and password in the Netgear, MTU set to default of 1492.

    The new gateway gives MANY more options in its internet connection setting, I work as an electrical/layer 2 network engineer and way too many of the options were foreign to me, they either are badly labeled or have a non-standard implementation.

    By leaving most of the settings for the VDSL connection intact and changing the encapsulation to PPP (will copy to a new connection profile in the next attempt) I managed to get every device in the house assigned a public IP, with regular internet access. After hastily unplugging non essential devices I couldn't get the Netgear to connect through its WAN port using the above PPPoE settings. I read on the other thread about using phone number/account number but these didn't work either. I tried disabling the VLAN at the Huawei and enabling VID 10 on the Netgear but no joy either.

    Unfortunately Eircom won't even talk to you about bridging this and the manual is more of a datasheet. So, any ideas?


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  • #2
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    1. Reset the F2000
    2. Bridge it, reboot to ensure its applied.
    3. Set the WNDR to do WAN DHCP off the F2000.

    That should leave all the PTM stuff to the F2000 and have a purely ethernet interconnect between the two.


  • #3
    TheChizler
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    ED E wrote: »
    1. Reset the F2000
    2. Bridge it, reboot to ensure its applied.
    3. Set the WNDR to do WAN DHCP off the F2000.

    That should leave all the PTM stuff to the F2000 and have a purely ethernet interconnect between the two.
    In hindsight I was only doing a soft reboot and trusting the F2000 to do it properly. So as far as the F2000 goes it's only changing to PPP? It's always simpler than you expect! Cheers. I'll report back.

    One other thing I'm trying to do is change the IP address for the F2000, it's only accepting addresses in the range 192.168.1.x, however I'd like to change the subnet in keeping with the previous setup. We would have most devices on 192.168.1.x and have the modem on 192.168.0.1, just to keep things separate. Is that possible or is it tied down? I could always change the WNDR to something else, but there's a load of static IPs for various access points and servers that I don't have the passwords for!


  • #4
    ED E
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    Second octet cant be changed, thats a major f'ckup on the part of Huawei. Its been around for a while and not fixed by the looks of things.


  • #5
    tetsujin1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭tetsujin1979


    I recently upgraded to eFibre, and I've been wrestling with my own f2000 the last few days to try and get port forwarding set up.

    I've used the following steps
    log in to admin console
    Internet -> Forwarding -> New Port Mapping
    Selected the correct application from the drop down list, and the machine I want to forward requests to

    Clicked save, and tried to connect, but no luck. I've rebooted and still doesn't work. Also tried dropping the security level and selecting that machine as a DMZ but still not working. I've confirmed the port is open with http://www.canyouseeme.org/ , and that other ports are closed, so it's possibly an internal setting. I had this setup with the previous router I had from eircom with no issues

    Any ideas?

    (not sure if this is the right thread for this, feel free to move if not)


  • #6
    ED E
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    If canyouseeme says its open that means the forward IS working and its not the F2000 thats at fault.


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  • #7
    tetsujin1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭tetsujin1979


    ED E wrote: »
    If canyouseeme says its open that means the forward IS working and its not the F2000 thats at fault.
    Thanks, but it's the only difference between my current and previous setup - I've made no change to the machine itself.
    I've tried connecting to the port on the router, but the request wasn't forwarded to the destination machine
    Was wondering if it's some customisation on the router by eircom, to not allow forwarding?


  • #8
    tetsujin1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭tetsujin1979


    never mind, it's working. Everything I did was right, it turns out I'm an idiot.
    Thanks for the help


  • #9
    paulieb2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭paulieb2006


    CAn someone explain to me how to open the ports on this modem for an Xbox 360.
    The ports are
    • Port 88 (UDP)
    • Port 3074 (UDP and TCP)
    • Port 53 (UDP and TCP)
    • Port 80 (TCP)
    Thanks
    Paul


  • #10
    yankinlk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    ED E wrote: »
    1. Reset the F2000
    2. Bridge it, reboot to ensure its applied.
    3. Set the WNDR to do WAN DHCP off the F2000.

    That should leave all the PTM stuff to the F2000 and have a purely ethernet interconnect between the two.

    replying here in case i need to find this again!
    Just got Eir efibre... f2000 router.

    After much headache, got bridge mode going using the simple instructions above, plus this https://www.spark.co.nz/help/internet-data/equipment/huawei/hg659-gateway/setup-bridge-mode-huawei-hg659-hg659b/

    I also disabled all wireless modes in the f2000 first, since it was playing havoc with my ddwrt setup (which works perfect).


  • #11
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    I have the F2000 and know nothing about it so would like it in bridge mode BUT I am connected via the wan port as I have a trial of FTTH. I had a brief look at the settings in the F2000 and one thing I tried was to disable remote management and clicked save , it then rebooted and updated the firmware I cannot access remote management settings now! The user interface changed as well. I get a nice home screen that shows connections etc. I now know I am connected via ethernet ie wan port and I have no username or password. It justs connects. Enscapulation is IPOE, which I have never heard of. There is a setting that says Layer2bridging and it has br0 and br1. It is possible to edit settings, br0 has ticks on all headings eg WAN3_INTERNET_R_ATM3_0_33, there are 8 in total. I want to bridge to an asus rt-nn66u.

    Oops under internet settings I found bridged but what next?

    I cant see IPOE in the asus

    Help.


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  • #12
    ED E
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    You dont need to bridge.

    Connect the Asus to the ONT and forget the F2000. WAN DHCP.


  • #13
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    I tried direct but cant find where to do WAN DHCP? I thought they would use mac address from the F2000?


  • #14
    Packet
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    swoofer wrote: »
    Enscapulation is IPOE, which I have never heard of.

    I want to bridge to an asus rt-nn66u.

    Oops under internet settings I found bridged but what next?

    I cant see IPOE in the asus

    Help.

    IPOE means native IP over Ethernet. IPv4oE/DHCP & IPv6oE/DHCPv6-PD are both supported.
    ED E wrote: »
    You dont need to bridge.

    Connect the Asus to the ONT and forget the F2000. WAN DHCP.

    Correct but the 3rd party router must have 802.1q VLAN 10 enabled on its WAN interface.


  • #15
    swoofer
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    router is 2 years old, updated to latest asus software but cant find option for 802.1q.vlan 10 in the wan section. Its probably hidden . I was hoping it would connect
    automatically. It may need that other software to configure it correctly.


  • #16
    ED E
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    swoofer wrote: »
    router is 2 years old, updated to latest asus software but cant find option for 802.1q.vlan 10 in the wan section. Its probably hidden . I was hoping it would connect
    automatically. It may need that other software to configure it correctly.

    Its hidden in some fw versions it seems.

    Go: LAN-IPTV-Select ISP Profile: Manual- Enter 10 blank blank.

    Might need to reboot after.


  • #17
    Packet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Packet


    swoofer wrote: »
    router is 2 years old, updated to latest asus software but cant find option for 802.1q.vlan 10 in the wan section. Its probably hidden . I was hoping it would connect
    automatically. It may need that other software to configure it correctly.

    To put the F2000 into bridge mode go to

    Internet tab-->Internet Settings-->Internet_TR069_(VDSL or ETH)_VID_10

    For FTTH it is the separate WAN ETH port

    select Edit, change "Connection type" from IP routing (IP) to "Bridged".
    Save the change.

    Then plug the WAN port of the ASUS into a LAN port of the F2000. The F2000 puts VLAN 10 on.

    The F2000 can still be administered on 192.168.1.254 when in bridge mode but you might have to temporarily statically configure your computer's LAN address if that forgets its DHCP lease. The DHCP server (and WiFi) in the F2000 shutdown when it is in bridgemode. When it is put back into IP routing mode these must be manually turned back on.


  • #18
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    ok used ed e settings, router reconfigured itself without rebooting, then went to internet set up and selected manual, then a few options, clicked next a few times and... connected. It happened so fast I did not get a chance to make a note!!

    Will keep this page and thanks both.


  • #19
    TheChizler
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    Eventually got around to sitting down to sort this out at home. They were having connection problems and the eir technician was called out. Washed his hands of the problem and said it was because there were too many devices connected and the modem should be at the point the line comes into the house (even though the previous guy was happy with the wiring from the entry point to where all the equipment is) and moved the modem there. Cue me being called because nobody can get internet because the switch > panel > access points have no internet connection.

    So two feet of solid wall drilling later I've got a dedicated line from the modem to the distribution point. Figured while I'm here I might as well sort out the bridging so they can't complain there's too many devices connected. Tried applying the instructions above and turns out the WNDR3700 can't do tagging on the WAN port. I can set the F2000 to bridge mode and WNDR gets an IP via DHCP on it's WAN port, but nothing more. Is it possible to set the F2000 to do the push/pop tagging for VLAN 10 itself while in bridge mode? Half tempted to buy a cheap managed switch that can do tagging but there must be some thing that I'm missing. At the moment I've left it in IP routing mode and double NATting between the F2000 and the WNDR but that's just asking for trouble.

    Edit: Never mind I got it working! Read somewhere that it didn't support tagging explicitly on the WAN interface, but when I went to (in the WNDR3700v2) Setup > Networking > and added a VID 10 on the interface assigned to the WAN port it all started working. WNDR gets assigned a public IP. Can't access the F2000 any more but sure what harm. Thanks for all the tips!


  • #20
    Some_Person
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    Can you not set the F2000 to TRUE bridge mode and run PPPoE on the Netgear?

    I wouldn't fancy having the modem still handling PPPoE.


  • #21
    TheChizler
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    Some_Person wrote: »
    Can you not set the F2000 to TRUE bridge mode and run PPPoE on the Netgear?

    I wouldn't fancy having the modem still handling PPPoE.
    I'm not sure that encapsulation is used for VDSL, and this was the simplest change to make that worked. I'm a layer 2 guy and not too familiar with these higher level protocols so I don't want to push my luck!


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  • #22
    ED E
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    You can use PPPoE, but by default they use IPoE.


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
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    Some_Person wrote: »
    Can you not set the F2000 to TRUE bridge mode and run PPPoE on the Netgear?

    I wouldn't fancy having the modem still handling PPPoE.
    This is true bridge mode. By default, VDSL doesn't use PPPoE but you can still use it if you want to.


  • #24
    Fiend-Foe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭Fiend-Foe


    ED E wrote: »
    1. Reset the F2000
    2. Bridge it, reboot to ensure its applied.
    3. Set the WNDR to do WAN DHCP off the F2000.

    That should leave all the PTM stuff to the F2000 and have a purely ethernet interconnect between the two.

    Hi,

    Sorry for digging up old threads. I've really been trying to acheive this for some time. Have a DD-WRT router, used to work fine with UPC Cisco cable modem, just set an option to DMZ to router and all other options became disabled. DD-WRT just connected. Unfortunately eir my only option...

    Having these ports accessible is essential, I use OpenVPN on my router, need to be able to send WoL over WAN, VNC, streaming SDR receiver, operating remote relays, FTP, Apache, tor exit node, IP cams... All useless (except at home) for the moment.

    Any chance somebody could walk me through the above/working steps in a little more detail. Total noob when it comes to these new modems :( Also i will I lose my any TV service? Can I bridge to a single ethernet port so TV still gets internet connection as required?

    I've tried forwarding ports on the F2000 to my DD-WRT, canyouseeme sees it as open, but cannot connect to any services. Tried disabling firewalls, A/V etc. Do I need to give modem+router same IP structure? If so which should be gateway?

    Do I need to use multiple ports to forward things, something like
    VNC

    F2000 Ext Port Int Port IP

    5900 5901 x.x.x.x

    DDWRT Ext Port Int Port IP

    5901 5902 x.x.x.x

    Dunno if that would make any difference, but I am going crazy here. Hoping someone has a solution!!

    Many Thanks...


  • #25
    [Deleted User]
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    Follow the screenshot attached to bridge the F2000. Then just set your router's WAN port to DHCP.


  • #26
    Fiend-Foe
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    Karsini wrote: »
    Follow the screenshot attached to bridge the F2000. Then just set your router's WAN port to DHCP.

    Hi, thanks for your response!

    I tried that already, but gave it another go. I had screenshots but that PC is offline now, need to reset the modem.

    Basically bridged it as you said, router on 'Automatic Configuration - DHCP'

    Internet connection drops, router status reports WAN down and TV dies... :/


  • #27
    [Deleted User]
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    TV dies? Do you have Eir Vision? If so you'd have to double NAT the F2000.


  • #28
    ED E
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    Fiend-Foe wrote: »
    Hi, thanks for your response!

    I tried that already, but gave it another go. I had screenshots but that PC is offline now, need to reset the modem.

    Basically bridged it as you said, router on 'Automatic Configuration - DHCP'

    Internet connection drops, router status reports WAN down and TV dies... :/

    If you have TV then you don't wanna bridge the F2000, use it as your router and just use the DDWRT unit as a wireless access point. Chances are the TV will cause you pain at some point and if you're passing through the multicast stream you'll get zero support until everything is reset.


  • #29
    Fiend-Foe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭Fiend-Foe


    ED E wrote: »
    If you have TV then you don't wanna bridge the F2000, use it as your router and just use the DDWRT unit as a wireless access point. Chances are the TV will cause you pain at some point and if you're passing through the multicast stream you'll get zero support until everything is reset.

    Thanks, new it would cause problems.

    Thing is the DDWRT supports the VPN, I have 4 servers and a bunch of other stuff...

    Karsini, to double NAT do I need to map each port the same on both modem and router? Should they have same IP structure?

    Don't see why the DMZ option does nothing, it warns that the device will be exposed to WAN :/

    Thanks...


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    The DMZ option should work. I don't like using it but if you can't bridge and need the VPN then you probably have to. I'd say you need to disable TR-069 or else the ports won't forward correctly.

    Of course the device will be exposed to WAN, that's its purpose. :)


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  • #31
    Fiend-Foe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭Fiend-Foe


    Karsini wrote: »
    The DMZ option should work. I don't like using it but if you can't bridge and need the VPN then you probably have to. I'd say you need to disable TR-069 or else the ports won't forward correctly.

    Of course the device will be exposed to WAN, that's its purpose. :)

    Yup. that's what I want. Still can't see router VPN port, Apache (anything) don't get it..


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