Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 19-11-2015 06:31PM

Is it too late to say that I blame it on Traore?

brinty · 19-11-2015 06:37PM

baz2009 wrote: »

Is it too late to say that I blame it on Traore?

I think astradave finished it with his post.....

Poor Traore

TheDoc · 19-11-2015 06:59PM

I can't help but think Neymar's Dad is trying to pull the "use other clubs interest as leverage for a better contract" and making an absolute meal of it.

Of course I expect the club to inquire and to push it as far as possible while it's in anyway realistic, but it really looks a limp attempt by his Da to drum up some extra $$$

jayo26 · 19-11-2015 07:06PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I can't help but think Neymar's Dad is trying to pull the "use other clubs interest as leverage for a better contract" and making an absolute meal of it.

Of course I expect the club to inquire and to push it as far as possible while it's in anyway realistic, but it really looks a limp attempt by his Da to drum up some extra $$$

Agree too and there is no beating around the bush with him it is purely money talk.

The Moldy Gowl · 19-11-2015 07:08PM

Meh. Fair play to neymar and any companies in his dad's name associated with neymar for trying to get as much money as possible. Dead right to get other clubs interested as well, it's in the best interests of neymar himself.

I personally don't think there is anything nefarious going on with messi and neymar and their tax. Sounds like they were told one thing but it wasn't correct.

TheDoc · 19-11-2015 07:09PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Agree too and there is no beating around the bush with him it is purely money talk.

I just can't comprehend that a company with a million euro revenue stream( the company that was created to manage Neymar's image rights and sponsor deals etc.) is having difficulty getting clarity on their tax liability

1) Fire your accountant, get better ones, or ones that didnt get their certification from collecting tokens on cereal boxes

2) Organise a meeting with the Spanish revenue, to gain clarity directly from the source that claims you owe money.

The Moldy Gowl · 19-11-2015 07:13PM

They must think it's barcas fault though doc is if they aren't doing what you suggest.

Surely any company that admits fault and can trace it back to their side, will try to rectify the situation ASAP.

I haven't been following the neymar tax story, but when did it come to the medias attention?
These wrong payments cases can something's take a good few months or even a year to straighten out fully if they have been unnoticed for a while.

Someone has to pay the tax compensation. They just need to dig and dig until they find the root cause which could be an email correspondence from 2 years with a wrong decimal point or wrong currency and it's been overlooked.
I don't know the details though.

19-11-2015 07:26PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I can't help but think Neymar's Dad is trying to pull the "use man utd as leverage for a better contract" and making an absolute meal of it.

Of course I expect the club to inquire and to push it as far as possible while it's in anyway realistic, but it really looks a limp attempt by his Da to drum up some extra $$$

FYP

TheDoc · 19-11-2015 07:27PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

They must think it's barcas fault though doc is if they aren't doing what you suggest.

Surely any company that admits fault and can trace it back to their side, will try to rectify the situation ASAP.

I haven't been following the neymar tax story, but when did it come to the medias attention?
These wrong payments cases can something's take a good few months or even a year to straighten out fully if they have been unnoticed for a while.

Someone has to pay the tax compensation. They just need to dig and dig until they find the root cause which could be an email correspondence from 2 years with a wrong decimal point or wrong currency and it's been overlooked.
I don't know the details though.

Yeah I haven't followed it "that" closely but I'm gauging that it is a tax dispute in relation to the image company. From what little knowledge I have, those entire things are setup as basically methods of tax avoidance.

Must read into it more to see what the beef is with Barca, but I thought I read something along the lines of its not the clubs fault, but that they may need to rethink their options as the Spanish Revenue keep coming after them on grounds of tax avoidance.

I think I remember reading something during the Spanish financial crisis, that there was some policies brought in that also changed taxation. So someone like Neymar took a relatively significant hit on his net income. Must go see if I can confirm that.

On a separate note, I always find it ironic that as people get vastly wealthier, they look into numerous schemes, methods and basically put in lots of effort, to grind out a marginal more percentage of money.

It's also created this weird, unusual, and dare I saw manafactured and ridiculous profession of "Financial advisors" or "Personal finance managers"

TheDoc · 19-11-2015 07:29PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

FYP

I guess I've come to terms with that.

And yo know what, eventually someone is going to call a players bluff. Much like United did with Rooney.

"Oh other clubs are offering you better? Well fair enough so, best of luck"

Risky game to play and you'd hope eventually we will land a player out of it

The Moldy Gowl · 19-11-2015 07:35PM

If I was paying as much tax as them I do the same tbf. Their pay slip must make them sick.

Tax avoidance is legal as far as I know, in Ireland anyway, but there is strict criteria to it. Not sure about Spain's.
It does get people's backs up alright about tax inequality etc.

Catalunya are having a referendum next next year to be seperated from Spain as well I believe so there is a conspiracy theory in there as well.

Trigger · 19-11-2015 08:17PM

I thought it was to do with the payment that Barca made to the family to get Neymar to sign. And that Barca tried to hide the figures and it came out afterwards and since then the tax affairs have popped up.. I'm probably well wide of the mark :pac:

Edit:A quick Google says that it stems from these.. 3 Barca people are going to stand trial for tax evasion and since the true figures were released the Brazilian and Spanish tax authorities have been investigating them

bangkok · 19-11-2015 11:17PM

They take no **** in Spain regarding tax. Messi's father paid the tax authorities a 5m "settlement" fee but I think they are still being brought to court

bangkok · 19-11-2015 11:24PM

astradave wrote: »

I thought it was to do with the payment that Barca made to the family to get Neymar to sign. And that Barca tried to hide the figures and it came out afterwards and since then the tax affairs have popped up.. I'm probably well wide of the mark :pac:

Edit:A quick Google says that it stems from these.. 3 Barca people are going to stand trial for tax evasion and since the true figures were released the Brazilian and Spanish tax authorities have been investigating them

It was a very messy deal. Barca claimed it was 57m deal but then a fan questioned rosell about it and it came out 40m was also paid to neymars fathers company. A supermarket chain that had shares in Neymar when he was at santos should also have received money 10m iirc but got nothing so that's when all the investigation came about and rosell quit as president of barca

Rayne Wooney · 19-11-2015 11:49PM

If we buy Robben we better get a years supply of the juice that fuels him off Bayern free of charge

RobertKK · 20-11-2015 12:04AM

The Belgian manger, Marc Wilmots has said "A player who doesn't play is annoying for a manger. Fellaini can support the attack. He can also play as a six by himself. He's got a very good technique, is good at running and winning the ball back."
"It's up to him to see if he wants a new challenge in January, if he has the option to do so.

Hococop · 20-11-2015 12:21AM

RobertKK wrote: »

The Belgian manger, Marc Wilmots has said "A player who doesn't play is annoying for a manger. Fellaini can support the attack. He can also play as a six by himself. He's got a very good technique, is good at running and winning the ball back."
"It's up to him to see if he wants a new challenge in January, if he has the option to do so.

His way of saying, more lack of game time and you might not make the Euros

RobertKK · 20-11-2015 12:27AM

This was a tweet from Sport Witness two days ago:

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/666561883210686464

Rather than being hinted, it's now widely and openly reported in Spain that Barcelona are skint and can't afford a big signing.

The next tweet is:
https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/666562049816862720

That's why Barcelona are being repeatedly linked to bargain options and find even Nolito a little too expensive for them.

brinty · 20-11-2015 12:31AM

RobertKK wrote: »

The Belgian manger, Marc Wilmots has said "A player who doesn't play is annoying for a manger. Fellaini can support the attack. He can also play as a six by himself. He's got a very good technique, is good at running and winning the ball back."
"It's up to him to see if he wants a new challenge in January, if he has the option to do so.

Wilmots can GFH....
Fellaini hasn't been good enough anywhere to suggest he should have a bigger role at United.. Cue LVG starting him on Saturday
If we got a 15-20 million offer in January I'd gladly take it and see the end of him but who'd be willing to risk it.. For years people cried out for him to be signed, was never amongst them or thought he was United quality, so let's cut our losses and get rid.. Let's be honest it was a panic buy by Moyes,we'd missed al our targets and signed no one by deadline day and we rush to get the deal done rather than sign no one..

Hococop · 20-11-2015 12:32AM

RobertKK wrote: »

This was a tweet from Sport Witness two days ago:

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/666561883210686464

Rather than being hinted, it's now widely and openly reported in Spain that Barcelona are skint and can't afford a big signing.

The next tweet is:
https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/666562049816862720

That's why Barcelona are being repeatedly linked to bargain options and find even Nolito a little too expensive for them.

Things can't be that bad for them? Would Madrid be in the same boat?

Lord TSC · 20-11-2015 12:34AM

Meanwhile in Manchester...

RobertKK · 20-11-2015 12:37AM

Hococop wrote: »

Things can't be that bad for them? Would Madrid be in the same boat?

Last Summer's spending was rather frugal by Real Madrid standards, maybe that is why they waited till the last minute with De Gea, and then failed to make it look like they had the money :P :pac:

brinty · 20-11-2015 12:39AM

RobertKK wrote: »

This was a tweet from Sport Witness two days ago:

That's why Barcelona are being repeatedly linked to bargain options and find even Nolito a little too expensive for them.

I don't know who this Nolito is but we should be breaking the bank to get him
I wonder could ge do it on a wet windy Tuesday night in Stoke

RobertKK · 20-11-2015 12:43AM

brinty wrote: »

Wilmots can GFH....
Fellaini hasn't been good enough anywhere to suggest he should have a bigger role at United.. Cue LVG starting him on Saturday
If we got a 15-20 million offer in January I'd gladly take it and see the end of him but who'd be willing to risk it.. For years people cried out for him to be signed, was never amongst them or thought he was United quality, so let's cut our losses and get rid.. Let's be honest it was a panic buy by Moyes,we'd missed al our targets and signed no one by deadline day and we rush to get the deal done rather than sign no one..

Pay the reported £72 million Juventus want for Pogba, to replace Fellaini.

I like Fellaini, he gets some vital goals, but there are better players...

RobertKK · 20-11-2015 12:45AM

brinty wrote: »

I don't know who this Nolito is but we should be breaking the bank to get him
I wonder could ge do it on a wet windy Tuesday night in Stoke

Rumour pages say apart from Barcelona, that Arsenal are interested in him, a left back that plays for Celta Vigo.
Lets sign another left back

Hotblack Desiato · 20-11-2015 12:51AM

brinty wrote: »

Fellaini hasn't been good enough anywhere to suggest he should have a bigger role at United.. Cue LVG starting him on Saturday
If we got a 15-20 million offer in January I'd gladly take it and see the end of him but who'd be willing to risk it.. For years people cried out for him to be signed, was never amongst them or thought he was United quality, so let's cut our losses and get rid.. Let's be honest it was a panic buy by Moyes,we'd missed al our targets and signed no one by deadline day and we rush to get the deal done rather than sign no one..

Pretty unfair on Fellaini. He's not in the top rank of players, but I always thought he could do a job for us and he has. If we sell him, who would you buy for the same money or less who would strengthen the squad? For someone who was complaining about the standard of the thread, just saying we should get rid of a player you never liked without offering any options to replace him isn't constructive.

Rayne Wooney · 20-11-2015 01:00AM

Fellaini is a decent option and I wouldn't be going out of my way to get rid of him but if a club offers us decent money for him I'd let him go

We aren't going to be knocked out of the CL or lose a league title to a team with Fellaini at the helm, we should always be looking to upgrade

Strumms · 20-11-2015 02:43AM

I don't think Fellaini is a long term solution or a starter for us but I'd wait until at least the summer to get rid. He does on occasion come off the bench and cause a bit of havoc when we need a plan B. Aright it isn't pretty but I think one of our problems is we have no other real plan B at the moment when we do struggle in games. That and the lack of pace up top I think are our two biggest issues. Ok the chap hasn't got pace but he is awkward, possesses a good touch for a big man and can be a goal threat. That for now is a plan B while not perfect... the only one we seem to have.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-11-2015 02:57AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Fellaini is a decent option and I wouldn't be going out of my way to get rid of him but if a club offers us decent money for him I'd let him go

OK but unless there are better players available in the market for his selling price or less, that'd be weakening the squad - unless the owners invest - and they could invest without bothering to sell, so that's not in itself an argument to sell.

We aren't going to be knocked out of the CL or lose a league title to a team with Fellaini at the helm, we should always be looking to upgrade

He's not at the helm, I don't think even Moyes ever intended that. Every team needs squad players, backups, plan Bs, call them what you will, not everyone can be a superstar and teams in the CL need to rotate, and arguably our best paid player has been much less than a superstar for quite a long time now

20-11-2015 04:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

....Smalling has the pace that Ferdinand now lacks, a huge star in the making if you ask me........

almost 3 years ago to the day :cool:

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