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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5162
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Finally. Something we agree on.

    The Abrahamic Religions are insane.

    They all contained murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats in positions of power. One could even argue that they exist to provide power for murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats, Sure, they threw up the odd good guy, but on the whole - nasty bunch of vindictive old men.

    Why then the focus only on Muhammad when he was just one of many murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats in positions of power that brought us the Three Religions based on the word of Abraham - the Billy Goat of old goats?

    It's not relevant to Daesh today anymore than Abraham is relevant to Zionism although they do use him as justification for land grabs - it's just an excuse really to be a dick.

    Jesus wept, you just don't get it. I can't help you because you don't want to understand my point of view.


  • #5163
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Islam has been in dire need of a Gandhi figure, since its inception.

    We can only hope.

    http://www.khalifaofislam.com/about-his-holiness/


  • #5164
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Gaygooner wrote: »
    Bosnia went through hell before Europe intervened??? Not condoning, just proffering an explanation.

    Did that happen in the last few days???


  • #5165
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    DubVelo wrote: »
    Fair argument against mass immigration from the ME isn't it? I mean if precedent is anything to go by they'll still be killing each other and random bystanders millennia later.

    Of course they will.


  • #5166
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    MadsL wrote: »
    http://www.khalifaofislam.com/about-his-holiness/

    Good. Now if only he became a major influence.


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  • #5167
    Gaygooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭Gaygooner


    Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »
    Did that happen in the last few days???

    The Yugoslav war in the 90's. It was horrific.


  • #5168
    kupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Colonialboy wrote: »
    I think thats HOUSE for you in fundamentaliberalism bingo.. you got all the buzzwords in in todays posts .
    have we been paying attention class... this could fall into option 2 'Deflect' but I think it really shows we need a 4th D..
    Distort - as in this is an example of distorting a opponents point to such a degree they wouldnt know where to start debating you on ...

    lol, it is the 4Ds, jesus ive forgotten my own words.
    distort is the 3rd
    Defame is the 4th option cos when you get called nazi racist gayhater islamophobe etc..
    they conjure up the idea of a rightwing gun happy nutjob, and nobody likes to be called that. So its easy for people to get behind when they know your a racist. :rolleyes:

    But your learning kid. and thats the main thing. Next thing youll be listening to micheal savage. Left hate him cos hes a jew that was a lefty in his youth but then he saw the light. I dont agree with a lot of his spiel but its good to be informed of different sources instead of the crap thats spoonfed to you by media.

    A video that should be viewed by both sides......
    http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5164.htm

    Draw your own conclusions..

    I typed out a bit cos I know some of you wont click it cos a racist inbred baccy smoking gun carrying culchie ned linked it.


    Allah be praised, a muslim does not need anyone to teach him to abide by the law. We heed the law. Allah be praised. Our religion teaches us the law, and we respect the law.
    But they want to control us so that we wont awaken from our slumber because the muslim is a sleeping giant, and if he awakens woe betide anyone around .

    We want our children to penetrate the political realm in the west. We want this. Why not? we want them to rule france one day, belguim germany uk.
    Why Not, this is possible.

    but dont confuse matters
    You will never get your kids there thru the means of islam.
    No.
    You must get them through their western rules, not yours.
    If you play by your own rules youll never get there.
    Politics in these countries are based on rules


    This is what you are dealing with.

    A muslim is not allowed to lie or cheat. etc...
    But in dealing with unbelievers they can lie cheat swindle whatever they want because you are an unbeliever.

    Make of that what you will.


  • #5169
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »
    I didn't watch the match, but I would say they are bags of shít? I have no idea why they would to that, do you? Why do you imply I would?

    Regarding the Turkey game, it's not an excuse, it's fact. They live with this crap every day, yet they are told to hold a minutes silence for France? Are you taking the piss?

    i'm not taking the piss in any way, EVERY musilm country has ISIS support, some a tiny % some larger, but it is there

    we have ISIS supporters in ireland too, same as every country in Europe

    but of course idiots like you keep making excuses, and tell us that islam is the religion of peace

    wake up to reality


  • #5170
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Gaygooner wrote: »
    The Yugoslav war in the 90's. It was horrific.

    I know that, but what I don't fully understand is your point. Are you implying that the tossers shouting in last nights match, were doing so because of the war in the 90's? Then that makes them even bigger tossers.


  • #5171
    Wx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭Wx


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Em, there are three Abrahamic religions. All are insane. All.

    Perhaps we really need to look at the behaviour, historical and today, of all religions and their attitudes and responses to "non believers " as they see all others.


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  • #5172
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Sand wrote: »
    Jesus wasn't trying to be a king, or fight wars, or make alliances, or negotiate treaties or deal with treason from allied tribes. He wasn't trying to be a warlord. Why after all does an omnipotent God need an army, a kingdom or a crown? He claimed (whether you agree or disagree) to be the son of God, with a new message or testament to redeem mankind. He challenged human expectations and morality. He did not simply comply with it.

    Not according to the version of his life we have been told.

    Yet - he was executed by the Romans using a method reserved for those found guilty of treason against the Empire.
    Sounds a bit political eh.

    As for why an omnipotent god needs an army - let's ask the Jesuits as they have some experience in military matters - or how about we ask the various military Christian orders why the Religion of Love needed so many armed knights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_order_(monastic_society).

    Jayzuz - much as I love history even I think this is getting ridiculous arguing about which one of the religions who worship the same effing god has the more bats*it crazy 'Holy' book, or had/has the worst psychotics in control, or the biggest army etc etc.
    The answer depends on where in their timeline you look but at one point or another each of them was/is/will be an absolute horror.


  • #5173
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Wx wrote: »
    Perhaps we really need to look at the behaviour, historical and today, of all religions and their attitudes and responses to "non believers " as they see all others.

    No...we just need to consign all religions to the waste bin of history
    They are at best fairy tales ...at worst reasons to justify murder & destruction and divide people


  • #5174
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    MadsL wrote: »
    http://www.khalifaofislam.com/about-his-holiness/

    That's a figure within the Ahmadiyyah sect, whom many other strands do not regard as proper Muslims & more conservative Sunnis & I think Shias too would basically regard as infidels. They really aren't representative of Islam at all, though they do come across as a nice bunch. As far as I understand it they would be the Muslim equivalent of Mormons, very much a sect apart.


  • #5175
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Jesus wept, you just don't get it. I can't help you because you don't want to understand my point of view.

    Do you have a point of view beyond we should not let any Muslims near us because they are all evil because Muhammad was a psychotic, paedophile warlord?

    I got that. I just don't agree with it.

    Gee - I thought for a brief moment you had a second string to your bow. :(

    Edit to clarify: Muhammad probably was a psychotic, paedophile warlord. One of many in human history sadly.


  • #5176
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    nokia69 wrote: »
    i'm not taking the piss in any way, EVERY musilm country has ISIS support, some a tiny % some larger, but it is there

    we have ISIS supporters in ireland too, same every country in Europe

    but of course idiots like you keep making excuses, and tell us that islam is the religion of peace

    wake up to reality

    Your point is pointless, it doesn't make any sense. There were plenty of IRA supporters across the globe, does that make their religion a religion of hate?

    What are you trying to imply by saying that ISIS have support everywhere? There's nothing abnormal about that at all. People are people, regardless of religion. Stating that ISIS has support in Muslim countries is about as useful as saying apples grow in trees. What exactly are you trying to suggest? Just spit it out.

    I also didn't say anywhere that Islam is a religion of peace.


  • #5177
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Finally. Something we agree on.

    The Abrahamic Religions are insane.

    They all contained murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats in positions of power. One could even argue that they exist to provide power for murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats, Sure, they threw up the odd good guy, but on the whole - nasty bunch of vindictive old men.

    Why then the focus only on Muhammad when he was just one of many murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats in positions of power that brought us the Three Religions based on the word of Abraham - the Billy Goat of old goats?

    It's not relevant to Daesh today anymore than Abraham is relevant to Zionism although they do use him as justification for land grabs - it's just an excuse really to be a dick.
    This is a thread discussing an Islamic terrorist attack.
    Muhammed is the creator of Islam, criticism of him is to be expected.
    Why would posters be criticising figures from other religions?
    Your above post is just another example of the ongoing whataboutery and deflection that is going on in this thread.
    God forbid we allow criticism of Muhammed or Islam.


  • #5178
    kupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Gaygooner wrote: »
    The Yugoslav war in the 90's. It was horrific.

    There will be another one within a generation.


  • #5179
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    nokia69 wrote: »
    i'm not taking the piss in any way, EVERY musilm country has ISIS support, some a tiny % some larger, but it is there

    we have ISIS supporters in ireland too, same every country in Europe

    but of course idiots like you keep making excuses, and tell us that islam is the religion of peace

    wake up to reality

    So you're saying that even 1 person, contrary to common sense, actually does speak for every single one of them.

    Are you sure you're not taking the piss?


  • #5180
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Do you have a point of view beyond we should not let any Muslims near us because they are all evil.

    Nope. Never once said that. What a ridiculous post. You just make stuff up or you must have me confused with someone else. Unless you're willing to discuss my actual views, don't comment on my posts with lies.


  • #5181
    Wx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭Wx


    The answer depends on where in their timeline you look but at one point or another each of them was/is/will be an absolute horror.[/quote]

    Yes, just one example; the Inquisition


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  • #5182
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »
    You point is pointless, it doesn't make any sense. There were plenty of IRA supporters accross the globe, does that make their religion a religion of hate?

    What are you trying to imply by saying that ISIS have support everywhere? There's nothing abnormal about that at all. People are people, regardless of religion. Stating that ISIS has support in Muslim countries is about as useful as saying apples grow in trees. What exactly are you trying to suggest? Just spit it out.

    I also didn't say anywhere that Islam is a religion of peace.

    look you were making excuses for the Turkish football fans saying there was no chance a minority of them chanted allahu akbar during the minutes silence because they might support ISIS

    so I asked what about the Bosnian fans who again broke the minutes silence, again more nonsense

    BTW the IRA were NOT a religious organisation, they had Protestant, Catholic and Atheist members

    stop telling lies about islam

    there are plenty of people in Turkey who support ISIS and I don't mean Syrian refugees, even the Turkish government have been helping ISIS


  • #5183
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    This is a thread discussing an Islamic terrorist attack.
    Muhammed is the creator of Islam, criticism of him is to be expected.
    Why would posters be criticising figures from other religions?
    Your above post is just another example of the ongoing whataboutery and deflection that is going on in this thread.
    God forbid we allow criticism of Muhammed or Islam.

    Was it my calling him a psychotic old goat that gave away my deep admiration for him?

    By the by - Abraham features heavily in Islamic tradition - ancestor of Muhammad, founder/father of it all etc etc so surely he is fair game. Perhaps he is the source of Daesh's murderous treatment of children and taking of sex slaves. He did set a precedence after all.


  • #5184
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Nope. Never once said that. What a ridiculous post. You just make stuff up or you must have me confused with someone else. Unless you're willing to discuss my actual views, don't comment on my posts with lies.

    So your only point of view is that Muhammad was a psychotic, paedophile warlord.

    No argument from me on that score though I think you over state it's relevance.


  • #5185
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    nokia69 wrote: »
    but of course idiots like you keep making excuses, and tell us that islam is the religion of peace

    Your hatred of Muslims is spilling over into hatred of your fellow Christians/Agnostics/Atheists.

    You might want to keep that in check or you could end up like one of those guys in ISIS who hates everyone who doesn't subscribe precisely to their doctrine.


  • #5186
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    At the present moment in history Islam appears to be holding and retaining the World Cup in the competition between the Abrahamic religions to determine which can produce the greatest volume of religiously insane, homicidal nut cases. But that doesn't mean the other two haven't held it in the past or won games themselves in recent times.


  • #5187
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Was it my calling him a psychotic old goat that gave away my deep admiration for him?

    Bannasidhe, you come across as the most informed poster on this thread. Do you mind me asking, how you think this issue should be solved? Long term.

    Good debate on VB now. I have to agree with some of the panel who reckon bombing Syria will only make things worse. They reckon the bombing and civilian deaths are pushing desperate/angry people into ISIS in huge numbers. They were also saying 30,000 foreign people from 100 different countries have joined ISIS.


  • #5188
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    So your only point of view is that Muhammad was a psychotic, paedophile warlord.

    No argument from me on that score though I think you over state it's relevance.

    Christ on a bike. Who do you think IS are emulating? They have openly stated this. I must have mentioned this fifty times by now. I know you have read my posts, so why do you pretend not to understand? I think you might be screwing around here.


  • #5189
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Your hatred of Muslims is spilling over into hatred of your fellow Christians/Agnostics/Atheists.

    You might want to keep that in check or you could end up like one of those guys in ISIS who hates everyone who doesn't subscribe precisely to their doctrine.

    So, just to be clear, is it only the IRA terrorists you support Tom, or do you also have a sneaking admiration for those ISIS boyos? The IRA could certainly let them into a few secrets into bombing civilian bars. For a bold IRA supporter that's Awkward.....


  • #5190
    flouncer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭flouncer


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    So your only point of view is that Muhammad was a psychotic, paedophile warlord.

    No argument from me on that score though I think you over state it's relevance.
    he could be a bishop. They are known for sexual deviance?


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  • #5191
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    kupus wrote: »
    There will be another one within a generation.

    I agree. The EU will achieve its aim of bringing all Europeans together. Just not in a way that they imagined.


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