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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5132
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Im not generally a fan of murderous pedophiles. This appears to surprise many of late.
    I suggest you read up a bit on Muhammad's life, early Islam and don't be so closed minded.


  • #5133
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I suggest you read up a bit on Muhammad's life, early Islam and don't be so closed minded.

    Is he your favourite pedophile or what?


  • #5134
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    How do you feel about old men who have sex with their slaves and are perfectly prepared to burn their own son alive?

    Are they ok with you?

    What kind of question is that?


  • #5135
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    I place the blame with those who did the killing. I place the attacks in a wider context with disastrous outcomes that can be traced directly back to the invasion of Iraq based on lies.

    Strange you connect to an invasion but not traced back to the context of a religion that is a common trend between all the attackers?

    Are you saying that the invasion of Iraq affected only affected Muslims? Surely if it was an issue for all Iraqis there would be a mix in backgrounds of those doing the attacks.


  • #5136
    123balltv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭123balltv


    Turkish fans side with ISIS

    https://youtu.be/nEB57Yeqk4I


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  • #5137
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    What kind of question is that?

    Well, you seem fixated on Muhammad's nastiness as a reason to dislike Muslims so I was wondering if you were equally offended by Abraham.


  • #5138
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    You know I have seen everyone blamed from George Bush to Merkel to some long dead man. Seriously he has been dead what 1400 years?

    The people at fault for this were the people who carried out the attacks and those who helped them. We need to track down those who are planning more attacks and get them out of society one way or another. We also need to stop them recruiting which means we have to carefully judge our actions. We also have to figure out and plan for their responses to our actions. Simply closing down where they recruit won'the work, they will find somewhere else.


  • #5139
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    bajer101 wrote: »
    Primer that I came across on FB:

    Only problem is thats too simple! Its missing all the related stuff going on in the Middle East that impact on the wider region.Saudi's and Irans proxy war in Yemen using the Houthis. Hezbollah and the different Lebanese factions, Israeli and Hamas.

    It needs to be turned into a powerpoint for greater simplicity


  • #5140
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    The turks were protesting against this sudden world sympathy for france, when several times more happens in their country by syrian terrorists and there's rarely as much as a mention of it in western europe


  • #5141
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Well, you seem fixated on Muhammad's nastiness as a reason to dislike Muslims so I was wondering if you were equally offended by Abraham.

    Ah, the Abrahamic Triangle of Insanity.


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  • #5142
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Only problem is thats too simple! Its missing all the related stuff going on in the Middle East that impact on the wider region.Saudi's and Irans proxy war in Yemen using the Houthis. Hezbollah and the different Lebanese factions, Israeli and Hamas.

    It needs to be turned into a powerpoint for greater simplicity

    That was the early learning version! It largely ignores Israel and the KSA. Think you have a tough job? Imagine waking up in the morning and having to go to your desk in any of the agencies dealing with this clusterfúck.


  • #5143
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Ah, the Abrahamic Triangle of Insanity.

    Hey - if, as you insist, the morality of the founder of a religion is of vital importance then Abraham needs careful study. Perhaps Muhammad was inspired by his distant ancestor.
    You really need to look carefully at this. Perhaps the insanity you perceive at the heart of Islam goes back to the very beginning.. I mean a man prepared to burn his own son :eek:


  • #5144
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    flouncer wrote: »
    I did explain why. I did explain why its impossible to do anything while these countries exercise their veto and at the same time sell weapons to terrorists. So while I sympathize with France do you think they are being pinpointed out of an arbitrary move. They have been selling weapons into an already volatile situation for decades.

    I didn’t ask why, I asked is it all their fault for having a veto and selling weapons?

    I’ll answer it for you that it absolutely isn’t and the continuous focus of some on the West while ignoring other issues it ridiculous.

    I don’t even know how to deal with the last part of your post. You’re pretty much saying ‘I sympathise with her but she was asking for it’.


  • #5145
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    123balltv wrote: »
    Turkish fans side with ISIS

    https://youtu.be/nEB57Yeqk4I

    Not really.
    They were shouting : 'Şehitler Ölmez Vatan Bölünmez

    Which translates: Soldiers never die, no one can split the country.

    (or near enough, read translation from Turkish to Dutch and then translated back to English)


  • #5146
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    The turks were protesting against this sudden world sympathy for france, when several times more happens in their country by syrian terrorists and there's rarely as much as a mention of it in western europe

    More of that infantile politics that turns away from self determination and looks to the west for every blame and every solution

    So what if Paris got more attention...Turkey can give it own attention
    And anyone who suffers suffers. just being on western media hardly gives it more credence or greater level of importance . They have their own media and leaders


  • #5147
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Hey - if, as you insist, the morality of the founder of a religion is of vital importance then Abraham needs careful study. Perhaps Muhammad was inspired by his distant ancestor.
    You really need to look carefully at this. Perhaps the insanity you perceive at the heart of Islam goes back to the very beginning.. I mean a man prepared to burn his own son :eek:

    Em, there are three Abrahamic religions. All are insane. All.


  • #5148
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    123balltv wrote: »
    Turkish fans side with ISIS

    https://youtu.be/nEB57Yeqk4I

    WTF are you talking about? No they don't... They are rightly pissed off that there was no minute of silence for their own dead, 20+ people killed, nobody gives a flying fiddlers about them.

    With sensationalist bullshíttery like your post, and those who jump right on the band wagon, it's no wonder ignorance is thriving...

    No facebook flags for those poor bastards. It's not in line with the "Wests" agenda. Paris was terrible, but Turkey was just some bla bla event that won't help fuel the next war. Shíts given? Zero.


    Muslims HATE ISIS...
    Being Muslim does not make you a terrorist, but some terrorists are Muslims (It's tough, but stick with it, it will eventually make sense).

    Keyboard warriors all over the internet calling for Muslims to be deported. How the F do you deport an entire religion? Others calling for nukes to be dropped on the middle east. like all of it? The entire region? Christ on a bike. There's too many negative, "can't think for myself", people on this planet, and they are more dangerous than any organisation.


  • #5149
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Islam has been in dire need of a Gandhi figure, since its inception.

    We can only hope.

    Saladin was ok for his day and age.

    Regardless, these guys, (Daesh,) are not inspired by anything other than ignorance. They are neither theologians nor philosophers.
    They are religious extremist nutcases and arguing about their ancestry and logic is an utterly futile endeavor.


  • #5150
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Em, there are three Abrahamic religions. All are insane. All.

    Finally. Something we agree on.

    The Abrahamic Religions are insane.

    They all contained murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats in positions of power. One could even argue that they exist to provide power for murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats, Sure, they threw up the odd good guy, but on the whole - nasty bunch of vindictive old men.

    Why then the focus only on Muhammad when he was just one of many murderous, child abusing, deeply misogynistic, old goats in positions of power that brought us the Three Religions based on the word of Abraham - the Billy Goat of old goats?

    It's not relevant to Daesh today anymore than Abraham is relevant to Zionism although they do use him as justification for land grabs - it's just an excuse really to be a dick.


  • #5151
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    The turks were protesting against this sudden world sympathy for france, when several times more happens in their country by syrian terrorists and there's rarely as much as a mention of it in western europe

    sure they were, by chanting allahu akbar

    there is support for ISIS in Turkey, not a large amount but there is support


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  • #5152
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »
    WTF are you talking about? No they don't... They are rightly pissed off that there was no minute of silence for their own dead, 20+ people killed, nobody gives a flying fiddlers about them.

    and what excuse do you make for the small number of Bosnians at the match last night


  • #5153
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    nokia69 wrote: »
    there is support for ISIS in Turkey, not a large amount but there is support

    Turkeys voting for Christmas.


  • #5154
    Letree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    The turks were protesting against this sudden world sympathy for france, when several times more happens in their country by syrian terrorists and there's rarely as much as a mention of it in western europe


    The harsh truth is we just don't identify with them as we do with the french.


  • #5155
    DubVelo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭DubVelo


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Em, there are three Abrahamic religions. All are insane. All.

    Fair argument against mass immigration from the ME isn't it? I mean if precedent is anything to go by they'll still be killing each other and random bystanders millennia later.


  • #5156
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Loyalist group calls for refugees to be 'hunted out'


  • #5157
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    nokia69 wrote: »
    and what excuse do you make for the small number of Bosnians at the match last night

    I didn't watch the match, but I would say they are bags of shít? I have no idea why they would to that, do you? Why do you imply I would?

    Regarding the Turkey game, it's not an excuse, it's fact. They live with this crap every day, yet they are told to hold a minutes silence for France? Are you taking the piss?


  • #5158
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,049 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Jesus was never the ruler of a political entity, Jesus never had to fight wars, make alliances, negotiate treaties and deal with treason from allied tribes.

    Jesus wasn't trying to be a king, or fight wars, or make alliances, or negotiate treaties or deal with treason from allied tribes. He wasn't trying to be a warlord. Why after all does an omnipotent God need an army, a kingdom or a crown? He claimed (whether you agree or disagree) to be the son of God, with a new message or testament to redeem mankind. He challenged human expectations and morality. He did not simply comply with it.


  • #5159
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »
    Loyalist group calls for refugees to be 'hunted out'

    Unfortunately, the witch hunt had begun before the attacks in Paris.


  • #5160
    Gaygooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭Gaygooner


    When a neighbour is killed in an RTA, it resonates far more that someone across the country, it doesn't mean their death was any less of a loss.

    France is our second closest neighbour, after the UK.


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  • #5161
    Gaygooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭Gaygooner


    Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »
    I didn't watch the match, but I would say they are bags of shít? I have no idea why they would to that, do you? Why do you imply I would?

    Regarding the Turkey game, it's not an excuse, it's fact. They live with this crap every day, yet they are told to hold a minutes silence for France? Are you taking the piss?

    Bosnia went through hell before Europe intervened??? Not condoning, just proffering an explanation.


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