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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5102
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Never heard of that before. What a cop out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY#

    All that indicates to me is we can't trust any Muslims.


  • #5103
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Their treason put thousands of Muslim lives at risk. His response was harsh but impassionate and justified given the circumstance.
    So he was a warlord then.


  • #5104
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    fr336 wrote: »
    Did you read that they wrote? People accuse socialists of living in a fairy tale, that may be very true, but the very same can be said for most warhawks. They'll keep on looking to the terrorists, who are idiots and write offs, while many blame every Muslim on earth. All while their leaders are selling billions worth of weapons. If the governments are as cut up as they claim, they'd stop this in an instant. And don't give me crap about jobs and co, doesn't stop job losses all over the place elsewhere being replaced by computers. The UK is a trillion pound economy, the UK doesn't need these sales. Maybe people in the UK elite do.

    No, what I see is a consistent trend with those who are going out of their way to use hyperbolic language towards Western states and putting blame on them flat out refuse to except that Islam is also an issue in this or that there is any inherent risk in letting refugees into the EU.

    I’d be open to looking into cutting weapon sales but at the same time it could also further destabilise the area. At this stage there is so much military tech in the Middle East that the horse has already bolted, I really don’t think it’s a key issue in moving towards a resolution.


  • #5105
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I don't really care. It's become an empty word because its thrown around without a thought.

    As for the book, that's not really my point. The bible is full of nasty stuff too, but Islam was invented by a guy who would feel right at home with IS. That guy is the problem. That guy is why IS are motivated to commit acts such as burying children alive. It's exactly what Mo would do.

    I haven't read the book, have you? Guess it's up to how you perceive it's contents. I imagine the majority of websites people visit, relating to Mohammed are complete and utter shít.


    Since when has Ireland held so many fcuking experts on religion???


  • #5106
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Sand wrote: »
    Was he just the ruler of a medieval kingdom? How did Jesus deal with traitors for the sake of comparison?
    Jesus was never the ruler of a political entity, Jesus never had to fight wars, make alliances, negotiate treaties and deal with treason from allied tribes.


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  • #5107
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »
    I haven't read the book, have you? Guess it's up to how you perceive it's contents.
    Em, thats not really how it works, its not a self help book on how to assert yourself with the ladies


  • #5108
    flouncer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭flouncer


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    So it's all the fault of Russia, China, UK, US and France then?
    I did explain why. I did explain why its impossible to do anything while these countries exercise their veto and at the same time sell weapons to terrorists. So while I sympathize with France do you think they are being pinpointed out of an arbitrary move. They have been selling weapons into an already volatile situation for decades.


  • #5109
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Jesus was never the ruler of a political entity, Jesus never had to fight wars, make alliances, negotiate treaties and deal with treason from allied tribes.

    Probably because he wasnt a warlord. Or a pedophile for that matter.


  • #5110
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    So he was a warlord then.
    I refer you post 5096.


  • #5111
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    But you have argued that Assad is the democratic President of Syria and we should back him, have you not?

    Yes we should support the Citizens of Syria who have elected President Assad as their President. Anything less is appeasing the ISIS extremists. Many of the terrorists are part of an International Jihadi army, so that means they are not Syrians.


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  • #5112
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Yes we should support the Citizens of Syria who have elected President Assad as their President. Anything less is appeasing the ISIS extremists. Many of the terrorists are part of an International Jihadi army, so that means they are not Syrians.
    "elected"


  • #5113
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    "elected"

    You may not like the result does not stop that being an election. I suppose you sympathise with the death to Alawite brigades or the other so called opposition that is financed by the west.


  • #5114
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Probably because he wasnt a warlord. Or a pedophile for that matter.

    Well, his father did **** a teenage girl by proxy.


  • #5115
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    bajer101 wrote: »
    Well, his father did **** a teenage girl by proxy.

    Good point. Religion is like a 'who is your favourite pedo" game


  • #5116
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    You may not like the result does not stop that being an election. I suppose you sympathise with the death to Alawite brigades or the other so called opposition that is financed by the west.
    How legitimate is an election taken during war time, under threat of polling stations being bombed, boycotted by the opposition where polling did not even take place in the majority of the country? An election which according to the UN lacked independent monitoring?

    "elected"


  • #5117
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    "elected"
    "warlord"


  • #5118
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Their treason put thousands of Muslim lives at risk. His response was harsh but impassionate and justified given the circumstance.

    According to Muslim historians, when Abu Sufyan went to seek peace with Muhammad, he was instead forced to embrace Islam. The exact words spoken to him in Muhammad's presence were, "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of Allah before you lose your head" - (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 814). He did.



    In hadith studies, ibn Isḥaq's hadith (considered separately from his prophetic biography) is generally thought to be "good" (ḥasan) (assuming an accurate and trustworthy isnad, or chain of transmission) and himself having a reputation of being "sincere" or "trustworthy" (ṣadūq).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq#Reliability_of_his_ahadith


  • #5119
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I call on people of all religions to stop killing. Please.

    :(


    Such calls are normally made by people of influence, - Gandhi for example. But you call away, Saipanne. And good luck to you.


  • #5120
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    "Religion of peace"

    With a warlord at the helm


  • #5121
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Jesus was never the ruler of a political entity, Jesus never had to fight wars, make alliances, negotiate treaties and deal with treason from allied tribes.

    He was betrayed, though. What was his response?


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  • #5122
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    "warlord"
    You really have it in for Muhammad...


  • #5123
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Such calls are normally made by people of influence, - Gandhi for example. But you call away, Saipanne. And good luck to you.

    Islam has been in dire need of a Gandhi figure, since its inception.

    We can only hope.


  • #5124
    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Some people in Syria are attempting to "rebel pacifically" against Daech.
    Brave brave people.
    The protesters got arrested, but another protest is planned for a later date.
    A group of young men were recruited by IS, supposedly for training in Charia law. In fact they were sent to combat in the North Alep province, and many were killed. Residents of Manbij are also protesting that rules are too strict.

    http://www.courrierinternational.com/article/syrie-vent-de-revolte-contre-daech-dans-la-ville-de-manbij?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook

    In other news, a group of Imams in Paris sang La Marseillaise near the Bataclan.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2015/11/15/video-attaque-bataclan-imams-entonnent-la-marseillaise-seposent-fleurs-a-cote-de-la-salle_n_8569220.html


  • #5125
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You really have it in for Muhammad...

    Im not generally a fan of murderous pedophiles. This appears to surprise many of late.


  • #5126
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    How legitimate is an election taken during war time, under threat of polling stations being bombed, boycotted by the opposition where polling did not even take place in the majority of the country? An election which according to the UN lacked independent monitoring?

    "elected"

    That UN lacked independent monitoring you cited is a pretext for Western involvement in the affairs of another Muslim Arab country. They can hold their own elections and supply their own security. What would smoothen relations with the west would be sending in peace troops to Hebron which is currently in a state of conflict between Israeli's and Palestinians. The Syrians don't need lesson on security from the UN that have ignored the plight of the inhabitants of the West Bank.


  • #5127
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Such calls are normally made by people of influence, - Gandhi for example. But you call away, Saipanne. And good luck to you.

    And it didn't do them much good either.


  • #5128
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Em, thats not really how it works, its not a self help book on how to assert yourself with the ladies

    Two people read a book, both have a different opinion on what should be done. It's not a difficult concept.


  • #5129
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »
    Two people read a book, both have a different opinion on what should be done. It's not a difficult concept.

    I think they read it upside down.


  • #5130
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Im not generally a fan of murderous pedophiles. This appears to surprise many of late.

    How do you feel about old men who have sex with their slaves and are perfectly prepared to burn their own son alive?

    Are they ok with you?


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  • #5131
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    People you don't need to keep coming out saying I oppose murder, rape or war. It is becoming a little tedious at this stage. Not a lot of people do support scummy ideas like these.


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