Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

IrishTrajan · 14-11-2015 11:08PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Well, we are bound by the legal conventions we signed to aid refugees, so if we want to refuse to take any we will be failing to meet our legal obligations.

So now you're worried about the law? What about the Dublin Regulations? By their rule, anyone who left Greece isn't an asylum seeker any more and is an economic migrant.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

If landing stuff is hard where all the drugs coming from?

If you think moving people is as easy as moving drugs, you're delusional.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It's the sheer volume of boats coming that is causing the issue in the Med. That and the thing about bodies of small children being washed up on our holiday beaches.

The small children whose parents put them on the boat and drove that boat?

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Yeah and people smugglers couldn't possibly work out a way to make false documents for a large enough fee :rolleyes:

Yeah, because they're going to make 4000+ flawless documents :rolleyes:

smash · 14-11-2015 11:09PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

because I specifically referenced the rest of the world.
there aren't even daily occurrences of terrorist attacks in overwhelmingly Islamic countries. there are only a handful of attacks in most Islamic countries for the whole year.
and no, I don't see what you did there. I kind of see what you were attempting, but it doesn't really work.

I'm failing to see where you're going with your posts. How many attacks do you want to see before you think there's a problem? Even one attack is one too many!

XR3i · 14-11-2015 11:13PM

wow the german chancellor has proven to be magic powder

Icepick · 14-11-2015 11:15PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Mick Wallace's take

https://twitter.com/wallacemick/status/665293278082957313

What a knobhead!

This is the socialist alternative in its purest form.
This and defrauding the tax payer.

Ash.J.Williams · 14-11-2015 11:16PM

The coalition need to cop onto themselves as of now...stop being driven by greed and use their might to make the world better as opposed to using it to further their resource portfolios. They need to stop meddling in other countries affairs and they need to stop the cosy relationship with terrorists Saudi, Qatar, Yemen, Turkey etc... Oh yeah and cancel that disgusting corrupt Qatar world cup....

Muslims need to start speaking up more and increase transparency, join the mainstream, mix more they need to be vigilant and uncover extremism.

I'm not pro Russian either but I like their targeted approach to Isis....it's a better idea than arming them...

bb12 · 14-11-2015 11:17PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Has anyone here been to St Denis in the Paris Suburbs? It is fairly run down, full of immigrants and 2nd gen immigrants, next to no white people, out and out breeding ground for potential ISIS.

The immigration problem is already in places like St Denis in Paris, London, Germany and many other countries, it should not be allowed to happen here, as it a catalyst for this type of event.

I am sure that certain people will use last night to argue the Syrian refugee crisis, but that is not the cause of last night, even if half of them came to France that way, the issue was already in Paris long long ago.

the seeds for last night were sown after WW2 when France imported people from its colonies to rebuild the country after the war's devastation. The current refugee crisis is now sowing the seeds for our future generations. Incidents like last night will be repeated over and over for the next 50 years

suicide_circus · 14-11-2015 11:19PM

Anyone know anywhere in dublin that might sell a French flag lapel pin?

Baggy Trousers · 14-11-2015 11:22PM

I am struggling to get the bigger picture here. I think it's always important to ask the 5 Whys. The 5th Why more often than not identifies root cause.
Can someone, ideally someone balanced, knowledgeable and intelligent, please give fill in the answers to the 5 Whys;

Q1 Why did several people murder many French people in Paris last night and subsequently commit suicide?
A. ???
Q2. Why above?
A. ???
Q3. Why above?
A. ???
Q4. Why above?
A. ???
Q5. Why above?
A. ???

Thanks in advance.

BorneTobyWilde · 14-11-2015 11:23PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Anyone know anywhere in dublin that might sell a French flag lapel pin?

Your user name is somewhat awkward.

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 11:24PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Anyone know anywhere in dublin that might sell a French flag lapel pin?

http://www.abbeybadges.ie/lapel-pins/

bnt · 14-11-2015 11:25PM

Here and elsewhere I'm seeing loads of "Muslims are not terrorists" talk, which is right, because it's true. It is putting the cart before the horse, though. What are Muslims themselves going to do about this? I see millions of decent, hospitable, hard-working people who are tied, by their religion, to a death cult over which they have no control. Make no mistake - the events of Friday the 13th are Islam in its original, purest form. Salafii-Jihadists such as Daesh are the ones trying to take Islam back to where it started: a single caliphate where no other religions are tolerated in any form. They are not heretics, or deluded, or criminals: they are the Real Islam, the way it was originally intended.

So, what is the average Muslim to do, when you look at the news and don't recognise what is being done in the name of your religion? Why get all defensive about it? Don't be a victim. This is your chance to say "this is not my religion", and leave Islam behind. If you can't leave, because of threats to your family or your livelihood, or for "cultural reasons", I'd call this a good time to ask: "just what good is Islam doing me, anyway?" You're better than that.

suicide_circus · 14-11-2015 11:25PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Your user name is somewhat awkward.

Haha yeah maybe a little inappropriate. Suicide Circus is the name of a nightclub in Berlin.

Junkyard Tom · 14-11-2015 11:26PM

kupus wrote: »

how do you deal with a group of people who kill because they hate everything about you.

THey hate gays.....but of couse you never hear the left say anything much about that. BUt you'll hear about a restaurant in dublin that wouldnt serve a couple.

They hate women, but you never hear the feminists call them out. But by god you hear about how male footballers are paid more than their female counterparts.

They hate everything a free and liberal society adores. Yet they are the ones using it to their advantage in shutting down speech. THe left are just plain crazy. They think everybody is equal...

Heres a bit of a shocker to some of you folk there behind your keyboards....
We are not equal. I wish it were true that everybody gets a fair chance. it would make life an awful lot easier.
But its not.

And no amount of beating chests and empty rhetoric will ever change that.

So how do you talk to them.

How do you talk to people that have studied the koran for their whole lives and are so completely brainwashed by it that they will commit suicide to take an unbeliever with them.

Are you having an argument with yourself there? Might want to get yourself checked out.

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 11:27PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

So now you're worried about the law? What about the Dublin Regulations? By their rule, anyone who left Greece isn't an asylum seeker any more and is an economic migrant.

If you think moving people is as easy as moving drugs, you're delusional.

The small children whose parents put them on the boat and drove that boat?

Yeah, because they're going to make 4000+ flawless documents :rolleyes:

Are you paid per :rolleyes: use?

Say we close our borders. ALL of them.

What do we do when the next atrocity happens?

Expel all the Muslims?
Where will we send them? Islamic State perhaps?

suicide_circus · 14-11-2015 11:27PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

http://www.abbeybadges.ie/lapel-pins/

Thanks, minimum order 100 :pac:

nxbyveromdwjpg · 14-11-2015 11:29PM

kupus wrote: »

how do you deal with a group of people who kill because they hate everything about you.

THey hate gays.....but of couse you never hear the left say anything much about that. BUt you'll hear about a restaurant in dublin that wouldnt serve a couple.

They hate women, but you never hear the feminists call them out. But by god you hear about how male footballers are paid more than their female counterparts.

They hate everything a free and liberal society adores. Yet they are the ones using it to their advantage in shutting down speech. THe left are just plain crazy. They think everybody is equal...

Heres a bit of a shocker to some of you folk there behind your keyboards....
We are not equal. I wish it were true that everybody gets a fair chance. it would make life an awful lot easier.
But its not.

And no amount of beating chests and empty rhetoric will ever change that.

So how do you talk to them.

How do you talk to people that have studied the koran for their whole lives and are so completely brainwashed by it that they will commit suicide to take an unbeliever with them.

You kill them.

Why do clowns pretend that "the left" don't want to come down hard on ISIS?

The only thing I've seen here is people argue that carpet bombing all Muslims and/or refugee's might not be the best approach, and certain other posters then freak out out this along the lines of "OH SO YOU WANT IRELAND TO BE BOMBED THEN?" and what not.

It's like thinking about it tactically gets you labelled "a leftist loon" and the only full red blooded thing to do is indiscriminately kill 'em all, concentration camps, ship them off to the moon etc. and ignore all root causes and never ask why to anything..

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 11:29PM

bnt wrote: »

Here and elsewhere I'm seeing loads of "Muslims are not terrorists" talk, which is right, because it's true. It is putting the cart before the horse, though. What are Muslims themselves going to do about this? I see millions of decent, hospitable, hard-working people who are tied, by their religion, to a death cult over which they have no control. Make no mistake - the events of Friday the 13th are Islam in its original, purest form. Salafii-Jihadists such as Daesh are the ones trying to take Islam back to where it started: a single caliphate where no other religions are tolerated in any form. They are not heretics, or deluded, or criminals: they are the Real Islam, the way it was originally intended.

So, what is the average Muslim to do, when you look at the news and don't recognise what is being done in the name of your religion? Why get all defensive about it? Don't be a victim. This is your chance to say "this is not my religion", and leave Islam behind. If you can't leave, because of threats to your family or your livelihood, or for "cultural reasons", I'd call this a good time to ask: "just what good is Islam doing me, anyway?" You're better than that.

Christianity used to be pretty similar until people got educated and told the fellas in the funny hats to get-out of it. You need a mass public change in attitude towards teachings. If people try to justify a sky wizards teachings to do violence then they need to look long an hard in the mirror.

inforfun · 14-11-2015 11:30PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Thanks, minimum order 100 :pac:

Buy a big coat.

RoyalCelt · 14-11-2015 11:32PM

bb12 wrote: »

the seeds for last night were sown after WW2 when France imported people from its colonies to rebuild the country after the war's devastation. The current refugee crisis is now sowing the seeds for our future generations. Incidents like last night will be repeated over and over for the next 50 years

The seeds were actually from all the Christian and Muslim crusades that have been going on for hundreds of years. Basically religion is the problem.

Why do non Islam immigrants fit in better and integrate? Like we don't have this problem with poles but I guarantee if 300k Muslims came to Ireland instead of eastern Europeans we'd have a serious ****ing situation on our hands. Especially when their birth rate is so much higher.

I'm actually so ****ing greatful we got the types of immigrants we did during our boom. their grand kids will all be as Irish as they come in 50 or 100 years. their name will be the only way to tell. If they were all Muslims it's a scary thought 100 years down the line.

ThunbergsAreGo · 14-11-2015 11:36PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

er, well it is, have another one:

but yeah, pretty much eradicated.....

Wow, I must know the whole 7 percent

GT_TDI_150 · 14-11-2015 11:38PM

I think the problem here is that these people decapitate, burn, drown people for the shock value of it. They could put a bullet in their captives heads but it is no where near a much of a statement as releasing video clips of decapitation.

I dont care how close anyone follows any religion ... for someone to do the killings they are doing of hostages using the methods they are using ... they were evil psychopaths prior to getting pulled into the jihadi world ... you do not turn from little johnny down the street into an evil sadistic murdering pig unless little johnny was already an evil sadistic little c*nt that needed an excuse...

KKkitty · 14-11-2015 11:38PM

I can't help thinking of the families who are left behind. All the hopes and dreams they had for their loved ones gone, memories that will never be made, thinking what if and so much more that maybe won't creep into their minds now but will in the future. Whatever it takes, these terrorists have to pay for what they did last night and have done to their own country. They don't have a religion, they have nothing short of a satanic cult.

IrishTrajan · 14-11-2015 11:40PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Are you paid per :rolleyes: use?

Yeah, I'm paid in the tears of the children you try to guilt trip me with.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Say we close our borders. ALL of them.

What do we do when the next atrocity happens?

Expel all the Muslims?
Where will we send them? Islamic State perhaps?

No, we arrest those related to it and leave them in the deepest, darkest hole we can find.

You seem to think I hate all Muslims, I don't. I just care more about my fellow citizens than your fragile sensibilities and your moronic philanthropic ideals. I've actively encouraged my Syrian and Turkish friends to move to Ireland once they have a degree in an industry we need, because they want to live in the West, and these people are secular.

But, yeah, if you need me to say I hate all Muslims so you can pat yourself on the back for "sticking it to the fascists", here: I hate all Muslims.

Enjoy yourself

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 11:40PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

I think the problem here is that these people decapitate, burn, drown people for the shock value of it. They could put a bullet in their captives heads but it is no where near a much of a statement as releasing video clips of decapitation.

I dont care how close anyone follows any religion ... for someone to do the killings they are doing of hostages using the methods they are using ... they were evil psychopaths prior to getting pulled into the jihadi world ... you do not turn from little johnny down the street into an evil sadistic murdering pig unless little johnny was already an evil sadistic little c*nt that needed an excuse...

Apparently that John fella from the UK was a lovely fella before he went on holiday according to Cage.

RedPaddyX · 14-11-2015 11:42PM

bnt wrote: »

Here and elsewhere I'm seeing loads of "Muslims are not terrorists" talk, which is right, because it's true. It is putting the cart before the horse, though. What are Muslims themselves going to do about this? I see millions of decent, hospitable, hard-working people who are tied, by their religion, to a death cult over which they have no control. Make no mistake - the events of Friday the 13th are Islam in its original, purest form. Salafii-Jihadists such as Daesh are the ones trying to take Islam back to where it started: a single caliphate where no other religions are tolerated in any form. They are not heretics, or deluded, or criminals: they are the Real Islam, the way it was originally intended.

So, what is the average Muslim to do, when you look at the news and don't recognise what is being done in the name of your religion? Why get all defensive about it? Don't be a victim. This is your chance to say "this is not my religion", and leave Islam behind. If you can't leave, because of threats to your family or your livelihood, or for "cultural reasons", I'd call this a good time to ask: "just what good is Islam doing me, anyway?" You're better than that.

Exactly right

Letree · 14-11-2015 11:44PM

A quote from the great KH.

"We have spent far too long tiptoeing around the cultures of those who choose to join us, instead of protecting the culture they have chosen to join."

True all the same.

threeball · 14-11-2015 11:50PM

I'd book your holidays in the states for the next few years folks because our latest influx is going to see Europe attacked time and again for years to come. Sheer madness to allow this unfettered mass migration with no controls especially coming from the areas and ethos they came from. Young men arriving a borders with kids but no women in tow. Merkel will have alot of blood on her hands when this is finished.

Its time to put a stop to all the pc lets all be friends bs and get realistic. Anyone who pronounces hate for the west or has leanings towards radical islam should be shipped off to the sh1thole sandbox from whence they or their ancestors came and let see how crap life in the west really is.

signostic · 14-11-2015 11:52PM

KKkitty wrote: »

I can't help thinking of the families who are left behind. All the hopes and dreams they had for their loved ones gone, memories that will never be made, thinking what if and so much more that maybe won't creep into their minds now but will in the future. Whatever it takes, these terrorists have to pay for what they did last night and have done to their own country. They don't have a religion, they have nothing short of a satanic cult.

I guess that when the names of those who were murdered are released, many will be young people with their whole lives taken from them

evolving_doors · 14-11-2015 11:52PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

I think the problem here is that these people decapitate, burn, drown people for the shock value of it. They could put a bullet in their captives heads but it is no where near a much of a statement as releasing video clips of decapitation.

I dont care how close anyone follows any religion ... for someone to do the killings they are doing of hostages using the methods they are using ... they were evil psychopaths prior to getting pulled into the jihadi world ... you do not turn from little johnny down the street into an evil sadistic murdering pig unless little johnny was already an evil sadistic little c*nt that needed an excuse...

I don't know about that, it's done quite regularly in parts of africa with child soldiers. They DO turn kids into killers, but i wouldnt say they were already little c*nts. Similarly we know of whole nations who were turned into sadistic killers by brainwashing at a state level (Cambodia and PolPot etc). Religion sure does lubricate the machine though.

Junkyard Tom · 14-11-2015 11:52PM

Katie fucking Hopkins is 'great' now? Western civilisation is in decline alright.

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