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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #3032
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    So everybody thinks that terrorists came in with the refugees, it would be fairly easy for them to just fly or other forms of arrival, they realistically would be very difficult to know and for those known terrorists. Their would be hundreds of unknown, where did they get the weapons and explosives.

    I'm sure refugees weren't allowed carry automatic weapons across borders, I find it hard to believe these where in the refugees which just crossed the borders.


  • #3033
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »
    That one guy having a random refugee passport on him seems very convenient indeed

    The Greek public office minister confirmed he was categorised as a refugee in Lesbos earlier this year. The Irish navy probably dropped the bastard off.


  • #3034
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    The Greeks claim to have processed one of the attackers through greece.

    The refugees arent just being let loose within europe, they do have some documentation. There's going to have to be a hell of a lot of police work tracking them all down in the various countries and checking on them. Every last one of them. Not impossible though, obviously most are genuine refugees fleeing the violence. Poor bastards, negative feeling towards them will probably rise.


  • #3035
    Very Bored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    moc moc a moc wrote: »
    There are no French people mourning on Boards.ie After Hours for jaysus' sake, they're with their families. Would you ever stop with the maudlin rhetoric and let people discuss this important topic.

    Disgraceful.


  • #3036
    Eoin247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Eoin247


    Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »
    That one guy having a random refugee passport on him seems very convenient indeed

    I suppose jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams either right?


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  • #3037
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    The French embassy have this email if you want to send your condolences - jesuisparisireland@gmail.com

    http://www.ambafrance-ie.org/Paris-Attacks-condolence-messages


  • #3038
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    The Greek public office minister confirmed he was categorised as a refugee in Lesbos earlier this year. The Irish navy probably dropped the bastard off.

    That Greek minister is probably a racist, xenophobe,... if you'd believe this thread.

    Do people genuinely think he'd make that up ?


  • #3039
    MS1962
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭MS1962


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    The Islam means peace thing is a big giant load of bollocks. The founder was a complete moron and did exactly what you say.

    Exactly. Islam means submission, and the 'peace' comes when the whole world is submitted to the Islamic false god. By hook or by crook there will be 'peace', and they will murder and rape their way to their 'peace'.

    I am so tired of the 'Islam is peaceful' narrative, from everyone from Obama to Pope Francis. No, it's not good enough. LET'S LOOK AT THE FOUNDER! Let us see who he was, how he lived, how he spread his new 'religion'. Let us examine his life. Can we do this? Is anyone prepared to do this? Are the Muslims? The government? The left?

    If it can be shown that the founder himself was a bad man, that undermines the entire system and then we can move on with living life well, freed from malevolent ideology.


  • #3040
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    I haven't seen any attacks in Hungary or any of those other countries that threw up security fencing or told them point blank they weren't welcome.

    Let's just see how that sits with the 55,000-odd Muslims in Hungary and Poland over the next several years. As last night showed you only need to radicalise a tiny handful, and when it comes to any form of religious extremism they are more than happy to play the long game, as it typically works better when people are indoctrinated from younger ages. This kind of thing is what the likes of ISIS absolutely feed off of.


  • #3041
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    JamboMac wrote: »

    I'm sure refugees weren't allowed carry automatic weapons across borders, I find it hard to believe these where in the refugees which just crossed the borders.


    Yeah, of course. I mean, no Islamic terrorist entering France is ever going to find other Islamic terrorists already there with guns and bombs and plans to murder.


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  • #3042
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    That Greek minister is probably a racist, xenophobe,... if you'd believe this thread.

    Do people genuinely think he'd make that up ?

    There's plenty on here who would.


  • #3043
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    JamboMac wrote: »
    So everybody thinks that terrorists came in with the refugees, it would be fairly easy for them to just fly or other forms of arrival, they realistically would be very difficult to know and for those known terrorists. Their would be hundreds of unknown, where did they get the weapons and explosives.

    I'm sure refugees weren't allowed carry automatic weapons across borders, I find it hard to believe these where in the refugees which just crossed the borders.

    You find it very hard to believe that there was anyone in the hundreds of thousands of people who have arrived in Europe with alterior motives? Really?


  • #3044
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    JamboMac wrote: »
    So everybody thinks that terrorists came in with the refugees, it would be fairly easy for them to just fly or other forms of arrival, they realistically would be very difficult to know and for those known terrorists. Their would be hundreds of unknown, where did they get the weapons and explosives.

    I'm sure refugees weren't allowed carry automatic weapons across borders, I find it hard to believe these where in the refugees which just crossed the borders.

    It's not easy to just fly from a Middle-Eastern country and hop out in Paris or whatever. You need to be processed in the French embassy in your country of origin and given permission to visit France. Unless you have a pretty good reason, they're not going to let you in.


  • #3045
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    MS1962 wrote: »

    If it can be shown that the founder himself was a bad man, that undermines the entire system and then we can move on with living life well, freed from malevolent ideology.

    Not sure about that. It's been known for decades that L Ron Hubbard was a complete charlatan & general arsehole yet Scientology has nevertheless thrived.


  • #3046
    Facekicking 2 The Future
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭Facekicking 2 The Future


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    The Islam means peace thing is a big giant load of bollocks. The founder was a complete moron and did exactly what you say.

    Muslims all over the world condemn terrorism whilst subscribing to the ideals of Mohammad who did this type of **** on a regular basis.


  • #3047
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Let's just see how that sits with the 55,000-odd Muslims in Hungary and Poland over the next several years. As last night showed you only need to radicalise a tiny handful, and when it comes to any form of religious extremism they are more than happy to play the long game, as it typically works better when people are indoctrinated from younger ages. This kind of thing is what the likes of ISIS absolutely feed off of.

    You've explained fully why they shouldn't be brought in.


  • #3048
    Very Bored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    Custardpi wrote: »
    Whereas ISIS would argue that your friends' willingness to live peacefully alongside "Kuffar" means that they are not true Muslims. Who's theologically (as opposed to morally) in the right here?

    The fact that Islam states that Muslims MUST respect people of scripture would point to it being those living here peaceably.

    On the other hand, if people in this part of the world would get their heads out of their a***s and realise that the best way of defeating ISIS would be to demand that Western governments in turn get their heads out of their a***s and start properly supporting the Kurds, the one group that is kicking the s**t out of ISIS then maybe we'd get somewhere.


  • #3049
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Facekicking 2 The Future wrote: »
    Muslims all over the world condemn terrorism whilst subscribing to the ideals of Mohammad who did this type of **** on a regular basis.

    Any word from the Clonskeagh mosque yet?


  • #3050
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Yeah, of course. I mean, no Islamic terrorist entering France is ever going to find other Islamic terrorists already there with guns and bombs and plans to murder.

    Your actually making my point for me as these people didn't come in the refugees, they where there already and as for the passport is the suicide bomber identifiable compared to the passport that was found?


  • #3051
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    It was an Al Qaeda linked group in January who attacked Paris, they had serious weaponry at their disposal.

    That is another question, who is arming these people?


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  • #3052
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Your actually making my point for me as these people didn't come in the refugees, they where there already and as for the passport is the suicide bomber identifiable compared to the passport that was found?

    The passport was marked last month, I dont know if you are aware but there has been refugees coming for quite some time before that.


  • #3053
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭take everything


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The refugees are fleeing to get away from these types of scum.

    See this is what I would like to think (and have thought) as well.
    But I'm revising that view for a less naive one.
    Think about it:
    Isis and the like's modus operandi is to exploit whatever freedom's exist in the West.
    Think eg how these terrorists position themselves to maximise civilian casualties as a tactic in war to further their victim narrative.
    Infiltration seems to be an art with them.

    The less naive view would be that many like minded (might only be 1-2% of the immigrants) have infiltrated this mass movement of people.

    The alternative view to me is highly simplistic and propagated by those more concerned about, god forbid, seeming racist.


  • #3054
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    MS1962 wrote: »
    Exactly. Islam means submission, and the 'peace' comes when the whole world is submitted to the Islamic false god. By hook or by crook there will be 'peace', and they will murder and rape their way to their 'peace'.

    I am so tired of the 'Islam is peaceful' narrative, from everyone from Obama to Pope Francis. No, it's not good enough. LET'S LOOK AT THE FOUNDER! Let us see who he was, how he lived, how he spread his new 'religion'. Let us examine his life. Can we do this? Is anyone prepared to do this? Are the Muslims? The government? The left?

    If it can be shown that the founder himself was a bad man, that undermines the entire system and then we can move on with living life well, freed from malevolent ideology.

    I see too much independent thinking, probably from books. Burn them, and get on your knees five times a day to pray. I want your mind and thoughts occupied with nothing other than how you accept submission.


  • #3055
    MS1962
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭MS1962


    Custardpi wrote: »
    Not sure about that. It's been known for decades that L Ron Hubbard was a complete charlatan & general arsehole yet Scientology has nevertheless thrived.
    Scientology thrives because it is built on blackmail. Through 'auditing' they have so much dirt on especially high-profile members, they can continue their business. Islam works by refusing to discuss the founder and dismiss all criticism as un- or anti-Islamic.
    Facekicking 2 The Future wrote: »
    Muslims all over the world condemn terrorism whilst subscribing to the ideals of Mohammad who did this type of **** on a regular basis.
    I just don't understand this. If they are ignorant, then there is the internet, but there is so much fear in that community - I am even nervous typing this and I am not even a Muslim! I want to keep my head in tact. It's just not right. A quick Google search reveals the life and deeds of this man.


  • #3056
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    MS1962 wrote: »
    Islamic false god.

    As opposed to hate speaker Pastor McConnell's real God?

    That's some stupid shit that is.


  • #3057
    MS1962
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭MS1962


    Custardpi wrote: »
    Not sure about that. It's been known for decades that L Ron Hubbard was a complete charlatan & general arsehole yet Scientology has nevertheless thrived.
    Scientology thrives because it is built on blackmail. Through 'auditing' they have so much dirt on especially high-profile members, they can continue their business. Islam works by refusing to discuss the founder and dismiss all criticism as un- or anti-Islamic.
    Facekicking 2 The Future wrote: »
    Muslims all over the world condemn terrorism whilst subscribing to the ideals of Mohammad who did this type of **** on a regular basis.
    I just don't understand this. If they are ignorant, then there is the internet, but there is so much fear in that community - I am even nervous typing this and I am not even a Muslim! I want to keep my head in tact. It's just not right. A quick Google search reveals the life and deeds of this man. Or do they know but keep it a secret? Who can say.


  • #3058
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    From an article published back in September...

    'Just wait…' Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe


  • #3059
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,563 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Facekicking 2 The Future wrote: »
    Muslims all over the world condemn terrorism whilst subscribing to the ideals of Mohammad who did this type of **** on a regular basis.

    What more do you want them to do other than condemn it?

    Should they all just say fcuk it and become atheist or convert to another religion because terrorists use Islam as an excuse or reason to kill and maim?

    What about when Christian groups use the bible to persecute, kill or lock up people? Should all Christians be expected to forego on their faith?

    What an absolute load of bollix you're talking


  • #3060
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    You've explained fully why they shouldn't be brought in.

    You do realise that Poland and Hungary have not banned all Muslims... right?


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  • #3061
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    The passport was marked last month, I dont know if you are aware but there has been refugees coming for quite some time before that.

    Yes but, I take it the suicide bomber blew himself up, so his face probably not describable, so does the passport really belong to the person who blew himself up?


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