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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #2972
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Given one of the terrorists passed through Greece in October as a Syrian refugee, the question now is how many more terrorists have entered Europe?

    These people last night were highly trained and organised, so there must be a lot of worry over who entered Europe during the past number of months.

    More than likely hundreds, if not thousands.

    But the EU did a nice thing for them so they probably won't do anything bad.


  • #2973
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    They're not brainwashed. They're soldiers like that of any other army and like any army they believe they are right. Time to stop dismissing these people as madmen. Brainwashing is an extremely difficult process that involves quite a bit more than a few youtube videos. They haven't been brainwashed by Islamists. They've simply been recruited. That's the worrying thing.

    I don't think you could say they are brainwashed, but what's concerning is that there are individuals with the charisma and wherewithal to manage to convince disenfranchised young men that their lives would be better committing acts like this and that ultimately losing their lives is for some greater good.

    Nor do I believe that most soldiers willingly want to die .


  • #2974
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Is the act of tossing explosives into an audience of civilians at a rock concert in the name of a being whos existance is unproven with the belief that you will go to a happy place and copulate with virgins a sane act?

    If your ideological starting point is the interpretation of Islam which ISIS, Al Qaeda etc adhere to then yes, such actions are perfectly reasonable & rational. Just as rational as not "suffering a witch to live" was for many Christians a few centuries ago.


  • #2975
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Nodin wrote: »
    Maybe in your universe. Not in this one.

    Hey Nodin, not sure you know this but there were a series of terrorist attacks in France last night which we were warned about by ISIS themselves but also by all the Eurosceptic and pro-border control groups in Europe and played down by people such as yourself while said groups were accused of being racist and xenophobic. They're currently talking about it on the news (in this universe) if you want to get clued in.


  • #2976
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Poland has said today it will not take any of the refugees it signed up to take a few weeks ago.
    People here need to voice there concerns loudly that we must do the same.

    Funny thing is, ISIS will be the happiest people in the room at this news.


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  • #2977
    Very Bored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    No one is saying all Muslims are the same. What you say is just further evidence for the argument that the younger generation of Muslims are more extreme than their parents. That anecdote is also bourne out in the statistics.

    As for people pursuing a crusade? Enforcing border control is not an act of aggression.

    If anyone is starting a crusade it's ISIS. You can't just ignore it until it goes away.

    In fairness, there is more than one poster using a thinly veiled argument for just what I accuse is being said here.

    What I would say is that, yes, there is more extremism amongst the youth than older people. However, what is also interesting is that an awful lot of the extremism seems to be homegrown in terms of attacks in Europe. That suggests that there is something wrong with our own system which radical Islam is exploiting. An awful lot of these b*stards who commit such atrocities are actually converts, not people from Muslim famlies. Before other jump on me as if I'm a bleeding heart liberal, let me re-echo what I said earlier on today on here. If any of those responsible for yesterday are caught I wouldn't send them to prison or even execute them in a fairly humane way, I'd disembowel the c*nts. I'd do likewise with whoever indoctrinated them.

    A lot of people seem to feel that refusing to hate all Muslims is the same as agreeing with radical Islam. Far from it, if anything I hate radical Islam more than many because I work with and know very decent Muslim people who regularly tell me that these extremists have nothing to do with Islam. Call me naive, but knowing them well as I do I believe them and I see what this does to them.


  • #2978
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Given one of the terrorists passed through Greece in October as a Syrian refugee, the question now is how many more terrorists have entered Europe?

    These people last night were highly trained and organised, so there must be a lot of worry over who entered Europe during the past number of months.

    We only know of one. And since the others haven't yet turned themselves in we can assume they don't exist. Right, Nodin?


  • #2979
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭take everything


    It's being reported that one of the terrorists had a Syrian passport and passed through Greece earlier this year.
    Frightening stuff


  • #2980
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Given one of the terrorists passed through Greece in October as a Syrian refugee, the question now is how many more terrorists have entered Europe?

    These people last night were highly trained and organised, so there must be a lot of worry over who entered Europe during the past number of months.

    And anyone who voiced those concerns in the last few months was shouted down as a scare mongerer and a racist. The EU has no idea who or how many extremists it has let in with the open borders policy. Politicians have failed yet again.


  • #2981
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    take everything wrote: »
    It's being reported that one of the terrorists had a Syrian passport and passed through Greece earlier this year.
    Frightening stuff

    i doubt they travelled alone


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  • #2982
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Sure it was only 2 weeks ago that Ryan Tubs was clapping and cheering the Irish navy for picking up so called refugees with no talk at all of the problems its going to cause and then shocked last night when he heard of the attacks, the man is so deluded by his p.c nonsense its scary.

    Very easy to be PC bleeding heart when you know for a fact that they won't be able to afford to move in next door to you.


  • #2983
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Everyone who was shouted down as a fear monger and racist has been vindicated. Time for the sympathisers to take a back seat. You can't be wrong about everything so far and still continue to set the agenda.

    Come up with a plan to police our borders. Currently we do it by stopping people from working and living here easily if they come in illegally as well as shutting off the easy ways of approach. That won't work with terrorists. They can come in and cause havoc before being tracked.

    Until you come up with a plan to actually stop people right along the entire border of europe closing the border is like closing the door in a house with no walls.

    Sure one of them got in with the refugees but can you say he woulsn't have gotten in another way?


  • #2984
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Funny thing is, ISIS will be the happiest people in the room at this news.

    As well as the Poles.


  • #2985
    Very Bored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    Its sick how so many on here are hijacking the tragedy that has befallen so many French families over the last twenty-four hours to turn these events into an opportunity to attack the issue of refugees. Says a lot about the morality of a lot when they are prepared to manipulate the grief of so many. Its not just Islamic fundamentalism I worry about, but also the way the whole world has lot a lot of its moral fibre.


  • #2986
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Very Bored wrote: »
    Its sick how so many on here are hijacking the tragedy that has befallen so many French families over the last twenty-four hours to turn these events into an opportunity to attack the issue of refugees. Says a lot about the morality of a lot when they are prepared to manipulate the grief of so many. Its not just Islamic fundamentalism I worry about, but also the way the whole world has lot a lot of its moral fibre.

    It's normal to discuss the reason why/how these things are happening when they happen.

    As it is normal to discuss how to prevent it happening in future.


  • #2987
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Very Bored wrote: »
    Its not just Islamic fundamentalism I worry about

    You worry about that?

    Really? After you spent this entire thread attacking anyone who dared bring it up?


  • #2988
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    The refugees are fleeing to get away from these types of scum.


  • #2989
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Very Bored wrote: »
    Its sick how so many on here are hijacking the tragedy that has befallen so many French families over the last twenty-four hours to turn these events into an opportunity to attack the issue of refugees. Says a lot about the morality of a lot when they are prepared to manipulate the grief of so many. Its not just Islamic fundamentalism I worry about, but also the way the whole world has lot a lot of its moral fibre.

    At least one of the terrorists was registered in Greece only last month as a Syrian refugee. Pretty relevant point to the whole tragedy.


  • #2990
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Very Bored wrote: »
    Its sick how so many on here are hijacking the tragedy that has befallen so many French families over the last twenty-four hours to turn these events into an opportunity to attack the issue of refugees. Says a lot about the morality of a lot when they are prepared to manipulate the grief of so many. Its not just Islamic fundamentalism I worry about, but also the way the whole world has lot a lot of its moral fibre.

    It's hardly hijacking. The two issues are inextricably linked, whether we like it or not.


  • #2991
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The refugees are fleeing to get away from these types of scum.

    The problem is that all of the refugees aren't actual refugees and are "these types of scum".


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  • #2992
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Very Bored wrote: »
    Its sick how so many on here are hijacking the tragedy that has befallen so many French families over the last twenty-four hours to turn these events into an opportunity to attack the issue of refugees. Says a lot about the morality of a lot when they are prepared to manipulate the grief of so many. Its not just Islamic fundamentalism I worry about, but also the way the whole world has lot a lot of its moral fibre.

    The fact that at least one of the refugees were involved is possibly a reason. Coming on top of Spanish security stating that they know of a further 800 terrorists taking the refugee route makes the whole refugee discussion justified.


  • #2993
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The refugees are fleeing to get away from these types of scum.

    And when they have all fled and ISIS moves onto a new population to plunder and terrorize, say Turkey, do we take all them as well?


  • #2994
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    As well as the Poles.

    Nope, just ISIS. If I living in Poland, I would be more concerned about having just become more of a potential target than I was 24 hours ago.


  • #2995
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The refugees are fleeing to get away from these types of scum.

    Unfortunately it seems the scum have come along as well posing as refugees.


  • #2996
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The refugees are fleeing to get away from these types of scum.

    And some of them are not refugees but are only entering Europe with one goal.

    There is nothing wrong in pointing that out, especially if it's now proven that one of them came through Greece just a short while ago.


  • #2997
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    For October a record 200,000 migrants/refugees entered Europe, if you had 1 in 100 who was a terrorist, that would be 2,000 terrorists, or 1 in a 1000, you would still have 200 terrorists for October alone.
    If we assume the Greek authorities are correct and one of the terrorists passed through their country, it would suggest ISIS have used the refugee/migrant situation to get their people into the EU, and it potentially could be a lot of people.


  • #2998
    granturismo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭granturismo


    How many people added the Iraqi flag to their facebook profile pic four months ago when 'a car bomb claimed by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group has exploded in a busy market in an Iraqi town, killing at least 115 adults and children. '

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/car-bomb-kills-dozens-iraqi-capital-150717191744020.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_car_bombings

    The time to take major military action in Iraq and Syria is long overdue. One Iraqi victim is as important as a European victim.


  • #2999
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Hey Nodin, not sure you know this but there were a series of terrorist attacks in France last night which we were warned about by ISIS themselves but also by all the Eurosceptic and pro-border control groups in Europe and played down by people such as yourself while said groups were accused of being racist and xenophobic. They're currently talking about it on the news (in this universe) if you want to get clued in.


    ....but many of these groups are racist, sectarian and xenophobic and any coincidence between what they predicted and what happened is a case of the broken clock rather than any insight.


  • #3000
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,563 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    It's normal to discuss the reason why/how these things are happening when they happen.

    As it is normal to discuss how to prevent it happening in future.

    So, let's have it then. How do we prevent it from happening in future?

    Ban Islam and deport all muslims... kill them in case they one day become radicalized?

    People are big on rhetoric and short on actual, workable ideas when it comes to that discussion.


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  • #3001
    JONJO THE MISER
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    take everything wrote: »
    It's being reported that one of the terrorists had a Syrian passport and passed through Greece earlier this year.
    Frightening stuff

    I would urge everyone to email the sean moncrief show on newstalk, for about 4 weeks ago he laughed at a texter and told him he was watching too many movies in that smart ass he loves for saying ISIS were among the refugees.


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