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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #2192
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    We'll just have to wait for the police to do their job and things should become clear over the next days.


  • #2193
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    If I may be so bold.
    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    I do wonder how some people's opinions would change if WHEN this happened HAPPENS on their own doorstep.

    They will find some spurious reason that the Irish people are somehow to blame.


  • #2194
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    biko wrote: »
    We'll just have to wait for the police to do their job and things should become clear over the next days.

    Agreed,
    Many of the posts made in this thread are uninformed knee jerk reactions, such reactions are dangerous and can often do more harm then good


  • #2195
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    The time for "why's" are long gone

    You will not stop events like this unless you ask 'why' and do something about that.
    In Iraq alone 14,000 people have died this year, 350 this month. That has been going on across the ME for decades. With little or no effective concern for those lost lives in the west. That was always going to come home to roost in the west and last night was an example of it.
    That is why these groups have become a threat to us in the last few decades.

    Just like there is always a reason for violence there are always choices to be made about how to deal with it.


  • #2196
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Islam makes one (dangerous) claim for itself that the other Abrahamic religions do not - Islam claims the Quaran to to be the last and final revelation of God.

    This may seem a subtle difference within the general mumbo jumbo and hocus pocus of all revealed religions but it is important as it has the effect of providing finality and closure - judgement day will be Islamic in its nature.

    That said, the people who carried out these and many other outrages, pick and choose their reading of Islam, focusing on the bits which appear to give them carte blanche for murder and cruelty while ignoring the vast majority of teachings which abhorr these things.


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  • #2197
    Very Bored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    acb121 wrote: »
    If I may be so bold.



    They will find some spurious reason that the Irish people are somehow to blame.

    Yawn.


  • #2198
    Very Bored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Islam makes one (dangerous) claim for itself the the other Abrahamic religions do not - Islam claims the Quaran to to be the last and final revelation of God.

    This may seem a subtle difference within the general mumbo jumbo and hocus pocus of all revealed religions but it is important as it has the effect of providing finality and closure - judgement day will be Islamic in its nature.

    That said, the people who carried out these and many other outrages, pick and choose their reading of Islam, focusing on the bits which appear to give them carte blanche for murder and cruelty while ignoring the vast majority of teachings which abhorr these things.

    Yeah, no church, synagogue or any other place of worship eeevvveeerrr said that Judgement Day will be conducted in the format of their religion :rolleyes:.


  • #2199
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Negative_G wrote: »
    Travel a short distance into Saudi and your experience would have been profoundly different. Especially for your wife.

    Curious to know, if you were not married to your wife would you have been able to openly cohabitate with her in Bahrain?

    Edit: I am assuming youve actually spent time living in the region, not just as a fleeting tourist.

    Bahrain?! A colleague of mine was unable to get a work visa for Dubai - a supposedly liberal Middle Eastern country - because himself and his girlfriend (now wife) had a child out of wedlock.


  • #2200
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Very Bored wrote: »
    Yeah, no church, synagogue or any other place of worship eeevvveeerrr said that Judgement Day will be conducted in the format of their religion :rolleyes:.
    Other religions allow for further revelations and "comings" prior to armageddon - Islam does not. I did say it was a subtle difference.


  • #2201
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Indeed they don't at present for the most part (although extreme christian "pro-life" groups see no problem with fire bombing buildings and shooting doctors),

    If only we could have a pro-life world free of the christian religion. Until then i will tolerate the catholic church.


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  • #2202
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Indeed they don't at present for the most part (although extreme christian "pro-life" groups see no problem with fire bombing buildings and shooting doctors),

    But the only thing that separates extremists from the Islamic faith and the general view of the catholic faith about how its ok to treat none believers as scum or even kill them is a few hundred years.

    Neither religion has its basis in peace and love like they like to claim,

    Where in the bible does it instruct to kill in the name of christianity, its evil people using it as an excuse, that arguement doesnt wash in terms of islam however as it explicitly states in the quran to kill non muslims and drive them from their own lands


  • #2203
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Islam makes one (dangerous) claim for itself that the other Abrahamic religions do not - Islam claims the Quaran to to be the last and final revelation of God.

    This may seem a subtle difference within the general mumbo jumbo and hocus pocus of all revealed religions but it is important as it has the effect of providing finality and closure - judgement day will be Islamic in its nature.

    That said, the people who carried out these and many other outrages, pick and choose their reading of Islam, focusing on the bits which appear to give them carte blanche for murder and cruelty while ignoring the vast majority of teachings which abhorr these things.

    the thing with the Qur'an is that it was essentially set in 2 periods and all the peaceful stuff is the earlier part, all the head chopping stuff happens in the later half when Mohammed was doing his warlord thing. When interpreting the Qur'an they have an interpretation device called Abrogation which means that there s no contradictions in the Qur'an but you take the latest verse as the real meaning, Allah can change his mind apparently :rolleyes: , so from a religious perspective they are taking a valid meaning from the book.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #2204
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    In Iraq alone 14,000 people have died this year, 350 this month.
    Who committed these crimes? The French?


  • #2205
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    This is what happens when you have mass immigration from cultures who will never intergrate.

    sad but true…and still european politicians with merkel leading the charge are working hard on bringing as many more of them into europe as possible…


  • #2206
    Very Bored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Other religions allow for further revelations and "comings" prior to armageddon - Islam does not. I did say it was a subtle difference.

    Yes, but only revelations and "comings" which fit in with their belief system.


  • #2207
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Who committed these crimes? The French?

    Who invaded Iraq in 2003 on a false mandate? On the back of lies by psychopathic warmonger terrorists like Powell, Cheney, Bush and Blair.

    Look at the big picture


  • #2208
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Depp wrote: »
    Where in the bible does it instruct to kill in the name of christianity, its evil people using it as an excuse, that arguement doesnt wash in terms of islam however as it explicitly states in the quran to kill non muslims and drive them from their own lands

    Indeed.

    Christ said: 'love one another as god loves you'
    Islam says: 'When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.'


  • #2209
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    This thread is going round in circles.

    I don't blame every Muslim or every follower of Islam.
    I think the extremists need to be rooted out and held to account in the extreme. This is both in the EU and their home states.
    We need to work with Muslim communities to gain their support and condemnation for such appalling actions.
    The west need to clean up their act regarding interference in these countries for political and financial gain.
    The EU including Ireland needs a system of immigration control - it's beyond me but a solution for emergency migrants needs to be found to allow them safety yet ensure they are legitimate migrants.

    Im interested in hearing from those who blame every Muslim and feel every person who associates with Islam is a threat and problem. How would you proceed??


  • #2210
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Soooo many questions about this attack.

    1/ Were thay home grown radicalised terrorists?
    2/ Did they arrive with the recent influx from Syria?
    3/ Are they embedded in the population?
    4/ Could they do this again in Paris?
    5/ What next?

    My guess is

    1/ first generation Muslim french or moved to France while they were young. Live in **** area.
    2/ no
    3/ yes, lot of support required for this, at least a few helpers
    4/ could easily be done in any capital city in Europe
    5/ more bombing of Isis in Iraq, more refugees coming to Europe and more resentment


  • #2211
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Who invaded Iraq in 2003 on a false mandate? On the back of lies by psychopathic warmonger terrorists like Powell, Cheney, Bush and Blair.

    Look at the big picture

    You think Islamic fundamentalism started in 2003? You think the root cause of the Islamic death cults is America?


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  • #2212
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Who invaded Iraq in 2003 on a false mandate? On the back of lies by psychopathic warmonger terrorists like Powell, Cheney, Bush and Blair.
    France did not partake in that
    Look at the big picture
    Look at any picture and acquire even a remedial shred of knowledge.


  • #2213
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Depp wrote: »
    Where in the bible does it instruct to kill in the name of christianity, its evil people using it as an excuse, that arguement doesnt wash in terms of islam however as it explicitly states in the quran to kill non muslims and drive them from their own lands

    Not sure if you're even serious.. There are loads of references in the bible to killing people.. who don't listen to priests, who follow other religions, who are gay, and so on.

    You're right though it's evil people using it as an excuse.


  • #2214
    Orangebrigade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    My big fear would be the ROI and NI getting a large influx of refugees in the coming years and the potential of such an attack happening rising.


  • #2215
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    Depp wrote: »
    Where in the bible does it instruct to kill in the name of christianity, its evil people using it as an excuse, that arguement doesnt wash in terms of islam however as it explicitly states in the quran to kill non muslims and drive them from their own lands

    The Bible:

    "Make ready to slaughter the infidel’s sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants."

    "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”

    "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

    "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you."


  • #2216
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Who invaded Iraq in 2003 on a false mandate? On the back of lies by psychopathic warmonger terrorists like Powell, Cheney, Bush and Blair.

    Look at the big picture

    Are you sure France even took part in those particular attacks?


  • #2217
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    My big fear would be the ROI and NI getting a large influx of refugees in the coming years and the potential of such an attack happening rising.

    lolz


  • #2218
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Who committed these crimes? The French?

    I dare say the location mattered all that much to the perpetrators, last night, think 'The West' when analyzing what is happening because I can guarantee you that is what they are thinking.


  • #2219
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you sure France even took part in those particular attacks?

    The original quote was about the large amount of people killed in Iraq recently.

    It's all linked... the masterplan.. the new world order

    France vetoed the Iraq invasion in 03 but between then and now the powers that be have made sure to drag the French into this. Chaos achieved! Now, order to follow.


  • #2220
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I dare say the location mattered all that much to the perpetrators, last night, think 'The West' when analyzing what is happening because I can guarantee you that is what they are thinking.
    My point is, it ain't "the west" killing 14,000 people in Iraq this year. It ain't "the west" sawing off people's heads on youtube.


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  • #2221
    wexandproud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Who committed these crimes? The French?

    maybe the catholics , no wait it was the protestants, sorry, no it was the jews , wait wait i think i have it


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