Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

delly · 14-11-2015 10:22AM

First off I'd like to say I hope all the victims in this tragic event RIP. I fully accept that multiples of the number who died in Paris, die in the middle east conflict on a regular basis. Anything that happens in your own back yard however resonates more, the same way if someone died in a car crash in your locality. You may not know the victim, but it makes it real.

Secondly, the amount of back and forth over who has the right answer on this thread is shameful. There is no debate in the thread, it is a case of which extreme 'put them all in prison' view or which 'most members of that religion are peaceful' can shout the loudest. The simple truth is that there is no answer, a cat has been let out the bag that can never be put back in. There is no more traditional war where the loser signs a peace of paper admitting they are at fault. It is a very scary time to be in, one which we can't do much about.

Sweetemotion · 14-11-2015 10:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was done in the name of nationalism, which is no more or less valid a reason than religion.

It was done for equality.

Orangebrigade · 14-11-2015 10:26AM

Saipanne wrote: »

And yet, most regard the above as racist.

What a world...

I don't care. Being called racist these days means nothing.

Cabaal · 14-11-2015 10:26AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

The problem is that at its core, muslim religion does not tolerate any other...

But neither do many other religions,
Take the catholic religion, despite many people in Ireland not actually believing it the Catholic religion wants to control what people can or cannot do in Ireland.

They lobbied hard against marriage equality, they are happy to discriminate against other religions and atheists when it comes to allowing 5 years olds to start school. While they aren't currently killing people they have treated women and their baby's as utter scum in decades past.

If ANY religion claims its god is the one true god then it can never truly be accepting of other people who believe in other faiths and none. Its as simple as that.

stefanovich · 14-11-2015 10:26AM

delly wrote: »

It is a very scary time to be in, one which we can't do much about.

One practical thing that we can do is to stop letting them in unchecked. How many criminals and terrorists are coming in amongst the refugees?

14-11-2015 10:26AM

Are we still talking about the IRA, Hitler, Muslims Rrr Baaadd, refugees go home, England are bad (I'm almost certain they were brought up for some reason..), and whatever else was brought up?

I'd say if you read the thread, 1% will be the actual incident and 99% will be the aforementioned squabbling.

0byme75341jo28 · 14-11-2015 10:27AM

I can't believe people can't see the difference between the Irish and the IRA and the Muslims and ISIS etc.

In the case of Muslim attacks their religion is directly responsible for what they're doing, all of them share that one thing in common. The simple fact of being Irish didn't mean you had anything in common with the IRA, unless you're going to start being internally racist, which wouldn't surprise me.

Happyman42 · 14-11-2015 10:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was done in the name of nationalism, which is no more or less valid a reason than religion.

....and what nationalists responded to was being done in the name of Unionism/Loyalism and what the British did when they marched into half the countries in the world was done in the name of Imperialism and on we go and end up where?

14-11-2015 10:28AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It was done for equality.

So the label you stick on it justifies the reaction, such as the "round up Muslims" posts here?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 14-11-2015 10:28AM

Depp wrote: »

The actions of the IRA werent done on behalf of a religious text that all irish people hold as the word of god, the atrocities done by Isis and the likes are motivated by the word of the quran, a text which the islamic faith holds to be the exact and unchanging word of god, read the quran and then you can debate how Islam is not the problem

You're saying then that if their motivations were different, like say in relation to a free Gaza or similar, then your reaction would be completely different?

Absolute bollocks. Rubbish. It means nothing to the victims either in Paris last night or in Britain in the 70's and in both cases an extreme reaction to migrants of a related nationality is counter-productive.

I'm not here to defend Islam or the Quran by any means whatsoever, I'm just pointing out the utter ****e you're spouting is playing right into the terrorists hands.

The extremists would love a knee-jerk reaction, it will increase their ranks. Mission accomplished.

Peregrine · 14-11-2015 10:30AM

There was a warning to stop the IRA discussion. I've updated the OP. Stop it.

Mod

Very Bored · 14-11-2015 10:30AM

Why were some of the people coming out of the football stadium or off buses wearing shiny, foil-like cloaks? They were obviously something they had been given as a precaution, not their own clothes. I'm just wondering what the purpose of them was.

Akrasia · 14-11-2015 10:31AM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

You shut the borders to keep these kind of people out. There is no question whatsoever that they are infiltrating the genuine refugees and gaining access to European countries. It's as clear as day. Until there are proper methods of doing background checks then lock up the borders.

Refugee camps are recruitment centres for Isis. We need a global human rights initiative with trade and economic sanctions against any state that allows the kinds of medieval barbarism that are advocated by extremist fundamentalism

Richard Hillman · 14-11-2015 10:32AM

Orangebrigade wrote: »

I don't care. Being called racist these days means nothing.

Exactly. The far-left found a weapon over the years. They found that calling somebody a racist or a fascist could get people to back down. Now that people have copped on to them, we need to take that weapon away from them and make them powerless again.

Leroy42 · 14-11-2015 10:32AM

Cabaal wrote: »

But neither do many other religions,

If a religion claims its god is the one true god then it can never truly be accepting of other people who believe in other faiths and none.

True, but the difference being that many religions, and Catholic being the main one in Ireland, believe that they are right but tolerate others, whilst in some way pittying them I suppose.

They don't demand that those other religions follow their ideals, although they may wish that.

The very core of islam, is that not only is it the only religion, that anyone who does not follow it is deemed unworthy and it is right to kill those that insult islam.

Other religions, at least not in these days, don't think that.

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-11-2015 10:33AM

Very Bored wrote: »

Why were some of the people coming out of the football stadium or off buses wearing shiny, foil-like cloaks? They were obviously something they had been given as a precaution, not their own clothes. I'm just wondering what the purpose of them was.

You feel very cold when you go into shock the foil keeps the heat in

Stealthfins · 14-11-2015 10:35AM

When someone is sick or has an infection usually they go to the doctor for antibiotics.
They work by getting to the source of the problem and eradicate the sickness.

I have witnessed two different sects of a religion arguing on a city street over what's the right way to live.
Arguing over a book.

I can look at a beautiful building and admire it from a distance,but was too blind to see the lump of **** at the back or smell the pis and sht from a blocked sewer.

One side had a more gentle approach the other side are more aggressive.

But both sides carry the same coin or book.

The thing about one religion in particular is they are told that they are entitled to be looked after where ever they go,that God is looking after them.
Were there to serve them.

They oppress women,indoctrinating kid's.

They're religion is insulting my secularism and my way of life.

Maybe I'll get a solicitor and send them a letter to try to stop building places of worship because it's upsetting my way of life.

Irony....paradoxical...wtf

It's time western civilization drops that pussy footing around nutters and upsetting people who don't like our way or life.

When you live in a secular country you accept secularism.....

Secularism is akin to getting a sterilized container and throwing loads of **** into it and add a bit of water then some fizz,shake it up and it blows over. It doesn't seem to keep everyone happy.

The last century and this century were supposed to be a new age for the planet,better medicine,split second communication.

Humanity ???

Caovyn Lineah · 14-11-2015 10:36AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Refugee camps are recruitment centres for Isis. We need a global human rights initiative with trade and economic sanctions against any state that allows the kinds of medieval barbarism that are advocated by extremist fundamentalism

You can't do that because the ridiculous PC and bleeding heart brigade will only complain about that too. The time for being nice is over, its time for some real and proper actions now.

I do wonder how some people's opinions would change if this happened on their own doorstep.

Very Bored · 14-11-2015 10:36AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

You feel very cold when you go into shock the foil keeps the heat in

Thank-you.

Cabaal · 14-11-2015 10:37AM

Very Bored wrote: »

Why were some of the people coming out of the football stadium or off buses wearing shiny, foil-like cloaks? They were obviously something they had been given as a precaution, not their own clothes. I'm just wondering what the purpose of them was.

Foil blankets are often given out to be people in shock, they help retain body heat and are very common in emergency situations

Happyman42 · 14-11-2015 10:39AM

There is always a reason for violence. Until the west honestly tries to find a reason why IS and Al Queada have grown into such a massive threat to us in the last few decades this type of attack will continue.

I said it last night, this was an easily resourced attack by a small number of activists with limited and minimal weaponry. Next to impossible to stop.
We are NOT being over-run. You are been asked to think that by those who want to exacerbate the fear.

If all Muslims represented a threat we would have thousands dying every day in Europe.

MRnotlob606 · 14-11-2015 10:42AM

play it again · 14-11-2015 10:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So you don't disagree with the "Muslims for concentration camps" stuff I was responding to?

Have the courage to say it. Don't splutter about how outrageous it is to talk about the IRA bombing pubs and restaurants on a thread about terrorism.

Of course I disagree , a concentration camp by any other name is still good for purpose , call them detention centres if you like it doesn't matter , round up the suspects and send them home , but please stop making your posts pointless by constantly referring to the IRA , it's not conducive to any discussion and is utterly contemptible to the citizens of Paris

wexandproud · 14-11-2015 10:43AM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

You can't do that because the ridiculous PC and bleeding heart brigade will only complain about that too. The time for being nice is over, its time for some real and proper actions now.

I do wonder how some people's opinions would change if this happened on their own doorstep.

just a matter of time i'd say

Cabaal · 14-11-2015 10:43AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Other religions, at least not in these days, don't think that.

Indeed they don't at present for the most part (although extreme christian "pro-life" groups see no problem with fire bombing buildings and shooting doctors),

But the only thing that separates extremists from the Islamic faith and the general view of the catholic faith about how its ok to treat none believers as scum or even kill them is a few hundred years.

Neither religion has its basis in peace and love like they like to claim,

delly · 14-11-2015 10:44AM

stefanovich wrote: »

One practical thing that we can do is to stop letting them in unchecked. How many criminals and terrorists are coming in amongst the refugees?

Very possibly a lot. Put as many checks as you like, but it is not 100% fool proof. The checks are limited when the refugee comes from a country with fractured law and order.

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-11-2015 10:44AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

There is always a reason for violence. Until the west honestly tries to find a reason why IS and Al Queada have grown into such a massive threat to us in the last few decades this type of attack will continue.

I said it last night, this was an easily resourced attack by a small number of activists with limited and minimal weaponry. Next to impossible to stop.
We are NOT being over-run. You are been asked to think that by those who want to exacerbate the fear.

If all Muslims represented a threat we would have thousands dying every day in Europe.

The time for "why's" are long gone

Chesty08 · 14-11-2015 10:45AM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

You can't do that because the ridiculous PC and bleeding heart brigade will only complain about that too. The time for being nice is over, its time for some real and proper actions now.

I do wonder how some people's opinions would change if this happened on their own doorstep.

Take the Carrickmines incident for e.g only weeks before the same bleeding hearts in support of refugees and opening arms to Ireland/Europe

Only few weeks later as soon as the idea of a temp halting site on their doorstep .. Pandemonium, Uproar!!!

Ignore the bleeding hearts!! This needs to stop and there is only one way of doing it.. For this to happen you need Leaders, Strong Leaders!!! Is Putin Europe's last hope??

LordSutch · 14-11-2015 10:46AM

Soooo many questions about this attack.

1/ Were thay home grown radicalised terrorists?
2/ Did they arrive with the recent influx from Syria?
3/ Are they embedded in the population?
4/ Could they do this again in Paris?
5/ What next?

Very Bored · 14-11-2015 10:47AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

True, but the difference being that many religions, and Catholic being the main one in Ireland, believe that they are right but tolerate others, whilst in some way pittying them I suppose.

They don't demand that those other religions follow their ideals, although they may wish that.

The very core of islam, is that not only is it the only religion, that anyone who does not follow it is deemed unworthy and it is right to kill those that insult islam.

Other religions, at least not in these days, don't think that.

That is absolute and utter rubbish. Muslims are taught that they MUST respect other people of scripture. Muslims (males at least) are permitted to marry non-Muslims as long as they are of scripture.

I'm no bleeding heart liberal. If any of those responsible for last night are caught I would use a red hot poker up the a**e to execute them nevermind send them to prison or execute them in a relatively comfortable way. I would do the same with anyone found to be in ISIS, Al Qaeda or any other Islamic extremist group.

However, the fact remains that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and decent people. Jumping on all Muslims is no solution of any form. The problem stems as much from the west as in the Middle East in the way that our governments treat the Middle East and other Muslim countries. That gives lunatics reason to commit atrocities like yesterday. We in Ireland should be smarter over this as anyone with a modicum of knowledge of the north should be able to recognise that the IRA didn't grow out of nowhere but was caused by repression and by terror tactics used by British forces of order. The very same thing which is happening in the Middle East now and is fuelling the actions of these evil c*nts.

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