Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Happyman42 · 14-11-2015 02:01AM

Severard wrote: »

Also France is a "gun-free" zone, that has worked out exceedingly well tonight hasn't it?

Worked out well in gun toting America on 9-11 though! :rolleyes:

Fuhrer · 14-11-2015 02:01AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A scary thought....
Bombs went off outside the France football match. What happened if the bomb was intended for INSIDE the stadium itself....

There isnt much doubt that the bombs were intended for inside the stadium.

efb · 14-11-2015 02:01AM

duckysauce wrote: »

dry the f uck up

Charming

Dick phelan · 14-11-2015 02:01AM

Anway sorry for going off topic it was not appropriate in this context, i just hate when people act like the IRA is comparable to those animals we saw tonight, i wasn't aiming to defend or support actions of the IRA just pointing out they differ from ISIS massively.

14-11-2015 02:02AM

Only 1 terrorist was killed by the raid. Two others committed suicide by detonating their vests.

Hollande is in the theatre now. Said to be extremely affected by what he's seen.

130Kph · 14-11-2015 02:02AM

acb121 wrote: »

Muslims have been engaged in murderous rampages since the 620s.

Why might they stop now ?

I used to think like you until recently. I was hugely mistaken. The Robert Spencers’s of this world are Class A morons.

This tonight is old fashioned terrorism for political reasons – boring, miserable, violent, futile, stupid but (geo) political………………& really not about religion (i.e. Islam). [for the low brow brainwashed grunts it may be - but for the “programmers” Islam is just a convenient tool]

Deub · 14-11-2015 02:02AM

topmanamillion wrote: »

The ﬁve biggest exporters in 2010–14 were the United States, Russia, China, Germany and France, and the ﬁve biggest importers were India, Saudi Arabia, China, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Pakistan.
So as I said if you see a jihadist gun wielding maniac there's a high chance that his gun was French made.

Do you research better next time. There is only one company in France that does guns (pistols or AK47 type of guns). And it s a small company... The French army has recently announced they wanted to replace the famas with a newer weapon and this company couldn't apply because they were too small (not enough sells per year).

Icepick · 14-11-2015 02:02AM

Gatling wrote: »

All religion can be interpreted and used as an excuse to kill innocent people

how exactly would that be done with Jainism?

Copa Mundial · 14-11-2015 02:02AM

140 dead, unbelievable. A spot of hope in all the misery, there are some great examples of the power of humanity being seen. The French seem to be really good to rally together against this madness.

duckysauce · 14-11-2015 02:02AM

efb wrote: »

Charming

as charming as your IRA crap

Mr.Nice Guy · 14-11-2015 02:02AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Yes.

All this talk of 'expel the scum', 'drop a nuke on Mecca', and the frankly bizarre blaming of 'liberal extremists' seems to me to be the real threat to 'our way of life'.

A Fortress Europe built on fear and hatred of those we deem 'other' is not a place I want to live - plus as a continent we have been there and done that killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people along the way from the Cathars to the Jews.

During the years of Christian fundamentalism in Europe is was the Muslims in the Caliphate of Cordoba who keep the light of civilization burning while Christendom was busy burning people and anything that look pagan.

Without Islam we wouldn't have a modern European democratic 'civilization' in the first place as they were the ones who saved the works of Ancient Greece from destruction by Christians.

These atrocities are carried out by fundamentalist extremists who claim they are doing this for Islam (as the Inquisition claimed to be acting for Christianity) but do not represent all Muslims. They want to destroy our liberal democratic way of life and those who want to see a right-wing fascist response want exactly the same thing.
They want ordinary Muslims to feel the West is their enemy - what better PR could we give them then to allow dead Muslim children to wash up on our shores while we concentrate on bombing the very places those children are fleeing from?

An extremist response to extremism will destroy Europe.

Well said.

moc moc a moc · 14-11-2015 02:02AM

Jayop wrote: »

I would bet every penny I have that these attacks were carried out by people already in France.

Precisely why the rest of Europe needs to be very careful about mass immigration of certain groups.

BoJack Horseman · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

Gatling wrote: »

All religion can be interpreted and used as an excuse to kill innocent people

Quote 1 line from Christ's teachings that can be interpreted thusly?

hatrickpatrick · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

It became the topic when people started comparing them to ISIS which is an excuse to continue their hatred of Irish people. The IRA only existed because of partition and fed off the alienation of mistreatment by the British authorities and while it committed horrible acts they reconciled with the state forces and became active members in society fighting corruption and poverty. ISIS on the other hand only knows violence they have no political motive other than pure unadulterated violence so no the IRA despite committing horrible actions is not as bad as ISIS hell the British army is not as bad as ISIS and they committed massacres against us Irish people don't forget that. We wanted to talk they wanted to murder us.

ISIS exists because the West has tried to bomb, invade, and shoot the Arab World into submission and unsurprisingly a lot of young people there have decided to f*ck the West any way they can.

Are people honestly denying that the Islamist extremist hatred of the West has at least some of its roots in the West's horrific treatment of people in Middle Eastern countries?

mzungu · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

Two of the Bataclan shooters commited suicide

During the police's storm, one terrorist was killed by the RAID, but 2 committed suicide by detonating their bomb belts, according to a police official on iTele.

acb121 · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Yes.

All this talk of 'expel the scum', 'drop a nuke on Mecca', and the frankly bizarre blaming of 'liberal extremists' seems to me to be the real threat to 'our way of life'.

A Fortress Europe built on fear and hatred of those we deem 'other' is not a place I want to live - plus as a continent we have been there and done that killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people along the way from the Cathars to the Jews.

During the years of Christian fundamentalism in Europe is was the Muslims in the Caliphate of Cordoba who keep the light of civilization burning while Christendom was busy burning people and anything that look pagan.

Without Islam we wouldn't have a modern European democratic 'civilization' in the first place as they were the ones who saved the works of Ancient Greece from destruction by Christians.

These atrocities are carried out by fundamentalist extremists who claim they are doing this for Islam (as the Inquisition claimed to be acting for Christianity) but do not represent all Muslims. They want to destroy our liberal democratic way of life and those who want to see a right-wing fascist response want exactly the same thing.
They want ordinary Muslims to feel the West is their enemy - what better PR could we give them then to allow dead Muslim children to wash up on our shores while we concentrate on bombing the very places those children are fleeing from?

An extremist response to extremism will destroy Europe.

The Irish Air Force is bombing the middle east ?

Pudsy33 · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

applehunter wrote: »

I just think its odd that someone would "cry" over something happening in Paris.

Maybe I am made of stone.

I'm upset by it too. It's scary. I was at a gig just like that a few days ago. People shouldn't go out on a Friday and not come back. I can completely understand tears to be honest.

irishbucsfan · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

efb wrote: »

Why are they different? A terrorist organisation than used violence and butchering of innocent people

Isis bury children alive. They crucify children in public.

They burned women alive for breastfeeding in public. They sell the women they capture as sex slaves.

The IRA are irrelevant and despite being awful themselves are certainly not analagous, I'm not sure why anyone has brought them up tonight.

To bring them up is a waste of time but to try and say they're the same is just very very silly and really does a disservice to the poor victims of ISIS in Iraq and Syria who are still going through that hell as we speak.

Phoebas · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

Old Jakey wrote: »

I'm well of aware of that. My point is the multi-cultural dream is over.

Tragic and all that this is, it isn't going to make any major difference to anything.

Old Jakey wrote: »

The one tiny sliver of hope we can take form this is that Europeans might finally begin to stand up for themselves and say that the third world invasion stops now.

Invasion? People trying to escape war and people trying to make a better life.

What happens after they 'stand up for themselves and say that the third world invasion stops now'? Do they start forcing the people who are arriving off boats onto Greek islands back into the sea?

GLaDOS · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

Mod

Take all talk of the IRA to PM, or another thread

It's not relevant to this one

NomadicGray · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A scary thought....
Bombs went off outside the France football match. What happened if the bomb was intended for INSIDE the stadium itself....

It probably was intended for the massive crowds after the match

Old Jakey · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

efb wrote: »

That your hope? Multiculturalism is going to continue as it always has existed

I hope not because that means many more Europeans are going to die at the hands of savages.

martyos121 · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

Not sure if this has been posted already given how quickly the thread is moving, but it's footage of French fans signing their national anthem while evacuating the stadium:

https://twitter.com/tsbible/status/665327120688648192

So poignant.

Smidge · 14-11-2015 02:03AM

I'm actually embarrassed for posters in this thread shoehorning their own political agenda that one group are murderers(namely IRA)and another(who have not yet been named as tonight's murderers in Paris but a fair chance they will be)and "poor and ghettoised" as if that mitigates the absolute carnage they have caused.
I dont even want to think about the horror that people are enduring in Paris tonight knowing their loved ones will never come through the door again.
Ever.
I dont know if I could handle that kind of heartbreak tbh and I will never understand people using others heartbreak to soapbox.

Filmer Paradise · 14-11-2015 02:04AM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Murdering scum they were. What's your opinion on the Khmer Rouge? Or the Nazis? Yanno, while we're on the topic of murdering scum :rolleyes:

They're all the same to me.

Also in all cases their followers were gullible, uneducated or just bullied into supporting them.

Take out the top man & the show crumbles fairly quick.

cherryghost · 14-11-2015 02:04AM

Is it me or has bbc audio gone online

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34815972

topmanamillion · 14-11-2015 02:04AM

Deub wrote: »

Do you research better next time. There is only one company in France that does guns (pistols or AK47 type of guns). And it s a small company... The French army has recently announced they wanted to replace the famas with a newer weapon and this company couldn't apply because they were too small (not enough sells per year).

Probably because the real money is in war ships and helicopters

Ol' Donie · 14-11-2015 02:04AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A scary thought....
Bombs went off outside the France football match. What happened if the bomb was intended for INSIDE the stadium itself....

Scary with the Euros there next year.

silverharp · 14-11-2015 02:04AM

French fans singing La Marseillaise as they leave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnep8Qj1i9k

AllGunsBlazing · 14-11-2015 02:05AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A scary thought....
Bombs went off outside the France football match. What happened if the bomb was intended for INSIDE the stadium itself....

If you could create a sense of panic inside a stadium that large the stampede alone could inflict huge loss life. Without the perpetrators even having to enter and run the gauntlet of security.

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