Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

I'm off to bed. This thread has really shone a horrible light on certain posters.

Can only imagine what I'll wake up to tomorrow on the news.

Patww79 wrote: »

That is so far down the list of priorities in a situation like this it's almost offensive.

Freedom to enjoy the city's of the western Europe without fear of death.is offensive to you

Paradise lost

Deleted User wrote: »

Suspect arrested outside theatre has said that he is from ISIS.

The band are apparently uncertain about the whereabouts of their remaining band and crew.

https://twitter.com/search?q=eagles+of+death+metal&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch

Very Bored wrote: »

That's not even remotely funny. Its sick, actually.

Go back through the thread, I'm only questioning what people reported earlier

smash wrote: »

Who cares. Take it to another thread

i was asked a question, who p1ssed in your soup

lameusername wrote: »

Isn't it absolutely fascinating to witness the worst we can possibly be. (Not just the act, what's being said here).

Wanting to defend yourself from murderous maniacs, how awful!

Witness accounts from the concert (le monde and France 24):

Louis était allé au concert au Bataclan avec sa mère vendredi soir quand la fusillade a éclaté. "On a réussi à s'enfuir, on a évité les coups de feu. Il y avait plein de gens partout par terre", témoigne-t-il sur France info. "En plein concert, il y a des mecs qui sont arrivés, ils ont commencé à tirer au niveau de l'entrée. Ils ont tiré en plein dans la foule en criant 'allahou akbar' avec des fusils à pompe je crois. Le concert s'est arrêté, tout le monde s'est couché à terre et ils continuaient à tirer sur le gens...

[Translation]
Louis was at the concert in the Bataclan with his mother on Friday night when the gunfire broke out. "We managed to escape, we got away from the gun shots. It was full of people everywhere on the ground", he says to France info. "In the middle of the concert, there were guys who arrived, they started shooting from the entrance. They shot all through the crowd shouting "allahou akbar" with pump-action shotguns I think. The concert stopped, everyone lay on the ground and they continued shooting people...

Dans cette salle de spectacles, lieu d’une autre fusillade, Julien Pearce, journaliste qui se trouvait sur place : « J’étais au concert, il était environ 21 h 35, 21 h 40 […] quand il y a deux ou trois individus – deux pour sûr – qui sont rentrés et qui ont commencé à tirer à l’aveugle avec des armes automatiques, dont un avec une kalachnikov. »
Près d’un millier de spectateurs étaient venus voir le groupe de rock Eagles of Death Metal : « Le concert battait son plein » au moment de l’attaque, raconte ce même témoin.
« Ça a duré au moins dix, quinze minutes. Ils ont rechargé, ils ont eu tout le temps qu’il fallait. Ils ont rechargé trois ou quatre fois et ça a duré bien dix minutes. Ils tiraient en pointant vers le bas, avec la crosse sur l’épaule. […] A un moment on s’est réfugiés derrière la scène, et on était bloqués, et quand les tirs se sont arrêtés on a profité de l’accalmie pour prendre l’issue de secours, et là on a vu plein de gens dans la rue qui étaient couverts de sang, qui avaient des plaies par balle. »

En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/11/14/j-ai-marche-sur-des-corps-il-y-avait-du-sang-dans-la-rue-il-y-avait-des-morts_4809519_3224.html#kQgj4XG4bdVULTrC.99

Julien Pearce, journalist who was [at the bataclan]: I was at the concert, about 9:35, 9:40 when two or three people - definitely two anyway - came in and started blindly shooting with automatic arms, one had a kalachnikov."
About a thousand people came to see the rock band Eagles of Death Metal: "The concert was jam packed" at the time of the attack, according to the same witness.
"It lasted at least ten, fifteen minutes. They reloaded, took all the time they needed. They reloaded three or four times and it lasted a good ten minutes. They shot pointing down, the cross [of the gun] pointing downward. At one point they fled from the scene, were blocked, and when the firing stopped we took advantage of the lull to get to the emergency exit, and the street was full of people who were covered in blood, who had had gunshot wounds."

Custardpi wrote: »

Most ordinary people would cack themselves in this sort of situation, regardless of whether they had a gun or not. The idea that having ordinary civilians strolling around with firearms somehow makes society safer is ridiculous. Much as the fantasy of some random chap taking on the terrorists Die Hard style might appeal to the imagination, the reality is likely to play out somewhat differently.

The people carrying out these attacks arent too different from "ordinary" people. They often come from societies where there is little or no familiarity with guns. They are amateurs. Trained by amateurs, or even worse by trained over the internet. I dont agree that armed civillians would quickly and professionally dispose of such threats, but neither is it true that armed civillians would be hopelessly outmatched by armed amateurs.

Mr.S wrote: »

I don't think he's joking - there are quite a few tweets reporting this but pretty sure its bogus..

Ah ok, sorry to the poster who wrote the comment in the first place.